Killian wrote:m2, yet he ran your ass without so much as picking up his 21 sided die and rolling for immunity.
Look.
I'm here and he's gone.
KIllian wrote:Why don't you just shut the fuck up and take your stupid ass back to the wasteland that is the NFL forum?
haha
I'm still an NFL fan (maybe
barely), and I can tell you that if someone came into the NFL forum and gave takes denegrating the sport, and spelled out their takes, I would very much WELCOME the dialogue.
I may agree or disagree with their takes, but would welcome the banter.
Because I am really not defensive about the sport.
It's been my observation that passionate D-1 college football fan is a unique creature.
Different than "passionate" NFL fan.
College fan can accept
some criticism of the sport, but if it get's a little too much, he takes it like ... criticism of
family.
So I wondered why that is.
Why does his back rise so strongly when the sport is criticized?
Then I realized why it is.
Many
passionate D-1 college football fans have some tie to (or background
with) the University they support.
They are may be alum.
Or their family is/was.
Or they support the U.
Or they work for the U.
Or they have some allegiance to the U. somehow.
That's why, despite the HUGE elephant being in the room of this sport (it's a farce), he blocks it out and DIGS the sport anyway.
It is both a commentary on the values (or lack of) in late 20th century, early 21st century America,
and human psychology.
1.
I mocked the Heisman.
Because the pretentious Heisman hype and Heisman obsession is a very laffable phenomenon.
I explained over and over (for very slow M Club)
why this is so.
I guess he still disagrees.
I give Rumps PROPS for being upfront and giving a good take.
As I mocked the Heisman, he said this ...
Rumps wrote:In college, it's all about the Heisman and it's analyzed and broken down every single week by the so called media gurus. The masses pay attention to it and chime in with their endless blogs and message board fodder. The debate is fun to follow. But that's just me...and millions of other people who are intrigued by it.
Again, I don't see the problem with the hype and build up because...well...I'm a fucking fan.
He knows in the back of his mind, and in the pit of his stomach, that it's all a bit wack (he said it's got "issues"), but he's a FAN, so he's in to it.
It's a fair take.
I respect it.
And PSU also weighed in well, saying this ...
PSU wrote:I certainly am no fan of the marketing campaign that they call the Heisman race. I don't think I've ever read a regular from this forum assert that they had a lot of respect for how the race is conducted. However, it has always provided good discussion material here. Good discussion mixed with some good-natured smack is what makes for a good forum that stands a chance at lasting, as I see it.
Fair enough.
2.
The primary point I made was that I consider D-1 college football to be a farce.
It's not to be taken seriously by me.
Again, I posted this ...
poptart wrote:D-1 College Football is a complete farce.
Every Saturday of D-1 College Football is like the Little League World Series - in a season where some team rolls everyone because they've weaseled a couple of stud 14 yr olds onto the squad.
You've got cheating ALL OVER the landscape.
Players being paid, players balling who should be academically ineligble, players who never should have been eligible in the first place, players who never should have been admitted to college, players who have someone else do their homework, players who are coddled and pushed through, players receiving favors, ... etc...
And as you tune in to a game, you have NO IDEA who these guys are ... or how many of them are running around the field.
You have NO IDEA which teams are rolling people because they are scamming everyone - or that they are better scammers than the other folks.
It is a total JOKE and anyone who financially supports such trash should immediately check themself into a mental institution.
It is NOT intercollegiate athletics.
It is an absolute pile of horseshit.
Turn D-1 College into an NFL farm system.
Or a minor league.
Or let the athletes make college football their major.
Or pay the players.
Or SOMETHING.
Because what is going on right now is seriously fucking sick.
There was a slight bit of shuffling of the feet and under-the-breath muttering about it, but predictably (to me) D-1 college football fan chose to IGNORE the huge elephant in the room of his sport rather than engage in a discussion about it.
Once again, I give Rumps
slight PROPS for having a take.
He said this ...
Rumps wrote:Nothing is perfect. College football is far from perfect, but why stop watching your alma mater because the game is a farce? There still is true passion on this level, no matter if there are cheaters or not.
He loves his alma mater, he loves the passion, and he's willing to sweep the "farce" nature of the sport under the rug so as to continue on with his enjoyment.
That's fine and it's basically as I suspected.
Sometimes as my wife will watch a soap opera, I will say,
"Honey, you know this is REALLY silly stuff, right?
She'll say,
"Well, yes, but I ... like ... it."
So be it.
And very slight props to PSU for commenting, "yes" to one of my suggestions - that being, let athletes make football their major.
He apparently recognizes that there is a
better way for the sport to be handled than how it is handled now.
You can comment, Killian, about my take as to why I laff at D-1 college ball, don't take it seriously, and consider it to be a farce -- or not.
It's up to you.
So far nobody has chosen to really engage on the point, and it is what I predicted, in my own mind.
It is easier, psychologically, to just block out that which may cause you to question something which you've become so very emotionally attached to - YOUR University team and YOUR beloved sport.
Myself, I don't see how any objective and "distanced" individual could look at D-1 college football and conclude anything other than the take I produced above.
3.
"The NCAA was less vanilla or packaged compared to 20 or 30 years ago."
The fact that this bunched panties to SUCH an extent, and was SO misunderstood, is very funny.
My point here
DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH my take that D-1 college ball is a farce.
It was just an observation on my part, having watched ALL SPORTS over the past 5 decades.
And I backhandedly (is it a word, Van?) complimented college football for being MORE fresh, more distinct, more unique, more creative, etc., than the other sports.
M Club just got hung up on this point and tied himself into a knot.
lol
Hey, Killian, if you don't agree with that little take of mine, fine.
I went to great lengths to
try to explain it, and conceeded that it's very hard to define and pin down.
But again, that little take had NOTHING TO DO WITH my take on college ball being a farce, or the Heisman.
Last chance for you if you want to give a take on
my take that D-1 college ball is a farce.
Or not.