Let's put the Billy Gillispie topic to rest shall we...

[Mook]

MU only "rebuilds" itself back into a pile of suck.

Mizzou will be back amongst the elite programs.

Back among the elite programs??

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

perennial contender in the Big XII

That's quite a stretch. They've been slightly above average at best, most years. And yes, I looked at the history of the Big12 standings to make sure of this.

Either way, it translates into:

[War Wagon]

Back among the elite programs??

Undefeated conference record in either 93 or 94, I forget which year, wasn't too shabby.

Four straight Big 8 championships 1980-1983 didn't suck much either.

Yes, that's ancient history. But the fact remains that at one time Mizzou was a pretty damn good program. It shall be again.

[Goober McTuber]

Pretty damn good does not equal elite. Okie State was pretty damn good at one point too. Missouri has never been "elite".

[Dinsdale]

Actually winning a championship at some point is a good way to become "elite."

[War Wagon]

I say elite as in being "elite" within the conference. That's the first measuring stick for any team or program.

I should have made that clear from the outset.

[King Crimson]

I say elite as in being "elite" within the conference. That's the first measuring stick for any team or program.

I should have made that clear from the outset.

back peddling.....much?

[T REX]

I got piled on for basically calling UF an "elite".

And that's with 4 FF's, 6 sweet 16's, 1 runner-up, and one title in the last 15 years.

[Goober McTuber]

I got piled on for basically calling UF an "elite".

And that's with 4 FF's, 6 sweet 16's, 1 runner-up, and one title in the last 15 years.

From what I've seen, you probably got piled on for being a douche bag.

[Mook]

There's only one team in the Big 12 who can make a claim at being an elite program, and unfortunately they're on Snob Hill.

Hey now........I spent five years on that hill....

[War Wagon]

I say elite as in being "elite" within the conference. That's the first measuring stick for any team or program.

I should have made that clear from the outset.

back peddling.....much?

Yes, if you want to see it that way. I should have qualified my statement with that to begin with.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I got piled on for basically calling UF an "elite".

And that's with 4 FF's, 6 sweet 16's, 1 runner-up, and one title in the last 15 years.

I was a bit curious about this statement, so I did some research and came across this. A little breakdown, shall we?

2006: Won national championship. (Championship)
2005: Lost to Villanova in second round.
2004: Lost to Manhattan in first round.
2003: Lost to Michigan State in second round.
2002: Lost to Creighton in first round.
2001: Lost to Temple in second round.
2000: Lost to Michigan State in championship. (Runner-up)
1999: Lost to Gonzaga in regional semifinals. (Sweet 16)
1998: Missed tournament.
1997: Missed tournament.
1996: Missed tournament.
1995: Lost to Iowa State in first round.
1994: Lost to Duke in national semifinals. (Final 4)
1993: Missed tournament.
1992: Missed tournament.

That's going back 15 years. Looks to me like you have 1 championship, 1 runner-up, 3 Final Four's and 4 Sweet 16's.

Another thing I learned while doing this: only 7 schools have more NCAA tourney appearances all-time than ND. I won't be so bold as to claim elite status for ND's program, but I'm pretty sure most of us would agree that most if not all of the schools ahead of ND belong in that category.

Kentucky
UCLA
North Carolina
Kansas
Indiana
Louisville
Syracuse
Duke

ND is in a five-way tie for 9th place, along with Arkansas, UConn, St. John's and Villanova.

Edited because I forgot Duke.

[King Crimson]

TiC 1
TRIX 0

[Dinsdale]

Kentucky

They aren't an elite program now, nor will they ever be one in the future.


Sorry, but once you RIG A FREAKING POSTSEASON TOURNAMENT, you will never again be entitled to refer to yourself, or have anyone else refer to you as an "elite program."


Any victories they might log must be questioned, and might involve a conspiracy with their opponent for $$$$.


I mean...they've done it before, right?

[Adelpiero]

i never, ever stated they were elite

but they were one of top teams in big8 for decades. they held the #1 spot many times during the 80's, and were recognized as a very good program, their failure was Norm couldnt win when it counted.


his major failure was being an arrogant asshole, and allowing top talent from Missouri to leave and go elsewhere, because he told the public high coaches in st.louis to go fuck themselves. carrawell, jahidi white, ryan robertson, kids who went to zona, duke, big10, etc all were told not to go to MU, Norm was the reason. All of those kids were from st.louis, and all were fans of MU bball, but Norm put up a huge road block, and fucked himself.

It has always been labeled as a sleeping program, as well as the football program. but rip van winkle hasnt woke up yet, and Quin stopped any progress the program had made with the elite 8 run. He caused it to take 12 steps back. Anderson can get the program back to being a contender for conference, especially if he can get the top players in Missouri to stay next year. there are 3 kids in the state who are or should be 4star players. Suggs has offers from the elite programs, if you keep these kids, steal one away from indiana or texas or even michigan or illinois, you could build something nice here, the $ is there for a coach to stay. If they can give Snyder close to 2mil per(after bonuses and incentives), they will pay to keep a coach who is winning here.

Like i said, I am happy with the progress, doesnt look great, but it really is. Anderson has virtually nothing on his roster. Hannah and lawrence are dece, but not typical players missouri has always had Peeler,Rush,Kleiza,Booker,Etc they have always been able to get a very good player to come, but when Snyder took a shit on the program, it made it a hard sell, Coach Anderson is doing everything to sell this program again, and getting suggs ,the 7 footer and possibly soderbergs kid, they would have quality in the roster. 6 schollys doesnt hurt either, and being able to promise minutes as a frosh, who else is going to beat them out?????

[Dinsdale]

It has always been labeled as a sleeping program, as well as the football program.

It's just pining for the fjords.


Maybe if someone offered Mizzou a fresh cuttlefish, it might wake up.






Hoooooly shit, I can't stop laughing at Mizzoutard. Dude...it's the worst freaking all-sport school in the history of the B12. Has Mizzou ever won anything?



I mean, the school I root for hasn't exactly owned NCAA athletics, but they've done more in one freaking year than Mizzou has done in a century.

[Adelpiero]

It has always been labeled as a sleeping program, as well as the football program.

It's just pining for the fjords.


Maybe if someone offered Mizzou a fresh cuttlefish, it might wake up.






Hoooooly shit, I can't stop laughing at Mizzoutard. Dude...it's the worst freaking all-sport school in the history of the B12. Has Mizzou ever won anything?



I mean, the school I root for hasn't exactly owned NCAA athletics, but they've done more in one freaking year than Mizzou has done in a century.

what have they done?

[T REX]

I have no problem being corrected...again...picked it up off of a gator site.

Eddie Izzard said it best......

Stupid man.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Actually, if you're counting this season already (albeit a bit prematurely) that would give you 4 Final Four's and 5 Sweet 16's in the last 15 years. Of course, this season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't count it just yet.

[Dinsdale]

what have they done?

Won a hoops championship...how about Mizzou?(Meaning they've accomplished more in one afternoon than Mizzou has in their entire history)

A few track and field championships...how about Mizzou?

A #2 BCS finish, and a couple of other top-20 BCS finishes...how about Mizzou?


Gets to wear all the cool new football gear a year before anyone else does...how about Mizzou?



Dude....U of O hoops just equalled the best year in Mizzou hoops history, no?

[War Wagon]

Has Mizzou ever won anything?

Yes. Ben Askren has.



Back to back NCAA wrestling champion in the 174 pound weight class.

I bet they have a top notch chess team, too!

[Goober McTuber]

Actually, if you're counting this season already (albeit a bit prematurely) that would give you 4 Final Four's and 5 Sweet 16's in the last 15 years. Of course, this season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't count it just yet.

They’re already in the Final Four and past the Sweet 16. How could it possibly be premature to count them, Einstein?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Actually, if you're counting this season already (albeit a bit prematurely) that would give you 4 Final Four's and 5 Sweet 16's in the last 15 years. Of course, this season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't count it just yet.

They’re already in the Final Four and past the Sweet 16. How could it possibly be premature to count them, Einstein?

The season isn't over until tonight. They could wind up with another national championship.

I'd rather wait until I knew the best possible outcome before counting it. But that's just me.

[Goober McTuber]

Actually, if you're counting this season already (albeit a bit prematurely) that would give you 4 Final Four's and 5 Sweet 16's in the last 15 years. Of course, this season isn't over yet, so I wouldn't count it just yet.

They’re already in the Final Four and past the Sweet 16. How could it possibly be premature to count them, Einstein?

The season isn't over until tonight. They could wind up with another national championship.

I'd rather wait until I knew the best possible outcome before counting it. But that's just me.

That won't change their numbers of Final Fours or Sweet 16s, will it? Which is all that you referenced in the post I quoted.

[Terry in Crapchester]

They’re already in the Final Four and past the Sweet 16. How could it possibly be premature to count them, Einstein?

The season isn't over until tonight. They could wind up with another national championship.

I'd rather wait until I knew the best possible outcome before counting it. But that's just me.

That won't change their numbers of Final Fours or Sweet 16s, will it? Which is all that you referenced in the post I quoted.

Did you read this whole thread? I initially responded to T REX's post, in which he also mentioned 1 championship and 1 runner-up.

By that standard, it is premature to count this season, since we don't know yet where Florida winds up.

[Goober McTuber]

Yes, I read the whole thread. The post I referenced made no mention of championships, just Final fours and Sweet 16s. And you indicated that it was too early to update their total numbers on those. Read what you posted, Terry. You really don’t have to be all that smart to graduate from Notre Dame, do you?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Yes, I read the whole thread.

Then you're not very capable of following from one post to the next, are you?

T REX posted numbers, which he admitted he got from a Gators website.

I then responded with the numbers from 92-06 (most recent 15 years prior to this season). T REX then responded that he didn't mind being corrected, at which point I mentioned that if one were to include the '06-'07 season, you could include an additional Sweet 16 and Final 4 appearance (which would still render the Sweet 16 appearances one shy of his original claim). My reference to it being premature to count this season was not a reference explicitly to Sweet 16 and Final 4, but to the point that Florida's season was not yet over and you couldn't yet tell exactly how they had done. If I were going to list a team's success over the timeframe of several seasons, I would wait until the season was over before including that season in my analysis. But like I said, that's just me.

But by all means, continue gumming at my ankles, if that's what floats your boat.

[Goober McTuber]

Number one, for an attorney you’re not terribly adept at expressing yourself. Often, downright clumsy. This might explain why you’re an attorney who can’t even afford to install a new garage door.

Number two, why is it that whenever your stupidity is pointed out to you, it’s ankle-biting?

[Terry in Crapchester]

Number one, for an attorney you’re not terribly adept at expressing yourself.

That post was up for a few days. And you were the first one, apparently, who had trouble understanding it.

This might explain why you’re an attorney who can’t even afford to install a new garage door.

x infinity. What a fucking idiot you are.

But I'll take pity on you and try to help you out. A little less spreadsheet-checking and a little more thought before you post might go a long way. Just sayin'.

Btw, not that it's any of your business, but right now I have bigger fish to fry than a new garage door when it comes to home improvements. You can get in a lot of trouble by biting off more than you can chew.

Number two, why is it that whenever your stupidity is pointed out to you, it’s ankle-biting?

Again, see above. Funny, but I don't see this type of behavior coming from anyone other than you. By definition, that makes it ankle-biting. Or do you need a list of posters who have accused you of the exact same thing?

As Dins would say, light starting to come on yet?

[Goober McTuber]

Maybe I was the first one who bothered reading your post. I didn’t have any trouble at all understanding that you don’t write particularly well.

I also don’t need a spreadsheet to recall your garage door issues which, BTW, could probably be resolved for $1,000 or less. I’ve got at least four different credit cards I could put that on if I didn’t have it in the bank.

You call it ankle-biting, I call it constructive criticism. I shudder to imagine what a judge must think when you submit anything you’ve composed to the court.

[Dinsdale]

I also don’t need a spreadsheet to recall your garage door issues which, BTW, could probably be resolved for $1,000 or less. I’ve got at least four different credit cards I could put that on if I didn’t have it in the bank.

$1000 buys an awful lot of permits, eh?

[Goober McTuber]

I also don’t need a spreadsheet to recall your garage door issues which, BTW, could probably be resolved for $1,000 or less. I’ve got at least four different credit cards I could put that on if I didn’t have it in the bank.

$1000 buys an awful lot of permits, eh?

You need a permit to replace a garage door? Are you guys in the U & L allowed to fart without buying some kind of permit?

[Dinsdale]

Don't be a Terry, Goobs.

The comment was centered around the hilarity of you offering up any advice on home "improvement" whatsoever.


BTW -- if'n I'm not mistaken, you don't need a permit to replace a rollup door if A) you don't alter the header/structure, or B) obviously, if the homeowner does it himself, although any structural alterations made by the homeowner must be disclosed upon sale. Round these parts, anyway.

If you wanna make jokes about needing a permit to take a piss on site, you need to direct your comments at the People's Republic of San Francisco. You need permits to replace a fence board there, I believe.

[Goober McTuber]

You’re just pissed because I can do quality un-permitted work and profit from it. People are still raving about my basement, even the ones that were hit by the falling sheetrock.

Don't be a Terry, Goobs.

Now that was just uncalled for. Take it back, bitch.

[indyfrisco]

Whoa, look at the big shot with his $1000-limit credit cards!

I don't think you read it right.

I also don’t need a spreadsheet to recall your garage door issues which, BTW, could probably be resolved for $1,000 or less. I’ve got at least four different credit cards I could put that on if I didn’t have it in the bank.

So, let me FTFY.

Whoa, look at the big shot with his $250-limit credit cards!

[Goober McTuber]

Trust me, Indy, if I maxed all four of them together it would be enough to get you to rekindle your teenage love of fellatio.

[Dinsdale]

:swoon:


Sin,
NoCalSnoGirl

[indyfrisco]

Meh, I only have/need one credit card. It has no max limit and it gets paid off in full every month.

Why do you need 4?

[Dinsdale]

Why do you need 4?

It's a backup plan, just on the odd chance Mrs. McTuber takes up with Gunslinger after the unpermitted electrical work goes up in flames.

[Goober McTuber]

Indy,

I don’t need four, I just wound up with them. I thought about closing a couple of them and talked to my banker last week. He said since they’re no-annual-fee cards keep them, since it helps my credit score to have paid-up open lines of credit out there.

I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of a no limit card. So you could go out and buy a house and just slap down your plastic?



Dins,

First you compare me to Terry. Then you compare my lovely wife to NoCal. You’ve already punched your ticket to hell, so why don’t you just go ahead and compare my dad to Wolfman and my mom to Cinder.