NEWS FLASH:
The Associated Press reports that GILAD SHALIT the missing Israeli soldier has been found
"Gilad Shalit has been found dead !....Nurses hosing out Ariel Sharon's diapers found the diseased Gilad Shalit apparently killed by a burst of projectile diarrhea from Ariel Sharon's rectum"
"Ariel Sharon who has been dying of AIDS for over two years is still in a coma & was unaware he killed the young Gilad Shalit with a sudden diarrhea discharge"
Good times in the Holy Land since the boys got back in town..
What "anti-Semitism" are you you talking about, crapper? Even if the news isn't literally accurate, it's certainly figuratively true. What..?...you thought Ariel Sharon's demise was somehow legit? Just a heart condition--for which he was somehow given the drastically wrong medication? You apparently are quite in the dark as to the actual ruthless backstabbing and throat-slitting that constitutes Israeli politics. Consider that Netanyahu's current Foreign Minister, the truly anti-Semitic (Arabs are pure Semite, crapper) goon, Avi Lieberman, is a (very recently) Russian mafia figure. Israel is a gangster state--about as honest as Bernie Madoff, or former AIG CEO Hank Greenberg, former Citcigroup CEO Sandy Weill, recently-retired Lehman Bros. CEO Richard Fuld, former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin, current Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, and sooner you wake up to this the sooner you can stop making stupid comments about "anti-Semitism."
And Thin Lizzy was rolled out because they're one of the worst bands ever. Get a fucking clue.
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Oh sure, T-crapper, but look...your simple charge has nothing to back it up. My criticisms of the ZioNazi nuclear armed state--the 4000lb gorilla in the living room of modern geo-politics--are at least backed up with actual apartheid state features, like giant walls and checkpoints, brazen land theft and private roads for the right race--you know, actual Nazi shit. And when I criticize the grotesque degree of influence wielded by this same entity within the U.S. government, I back it up with actual examples--like AIPAC and PNAC and so forth.
What exactly are you disputing in my critique? It's easy to just offer a smear, but can you really back it up?
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Oh sure, T-crapper, but look...your simple charge has nothing to back it up. My criticisms of the ZioNazi nuclear armed state--the 4000lb gorilla in the living room of modern geo-politics--are at least backed up with actual apartheid state features, like giant walls and checkpoints, brazen land theft and private roads for the right race--you know, actual Nazi shit. And when I criticize the grotesque degree of influence wielded by this same entity within the U.S. government, I back it up with actual examples--like AIPAC and PNAC and so forth.
What exactly are you disputing in my critique? It's easy to just offer a smear, but can you really back it up?
leave terry's OL out of this.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
And this attempts to suggest what? That there aren't actual Nazi-like conditions throughout Israel and Palestine? That there isn't actual grossly disproportionate influence by the Zionists in our government? The loon to whom you refer did of course have 'puter and a website--and I seriously doubt if his bigotry and racism had anything in common with my critiques--except for a disgust over America's role in propping up the gangster race state experiment, etc. And really this disgust is shared by just about everyone--except Christers and Zios--and their paid minions. What's your excuse?
Sorry, but complete razor-wire detention for forty years, complete with gun-toting guards, assaults, random brazen home invasion, constant humiliation, sadistic collective punitive policies, routine assassinations--all based on a race-state policy derived from a twisted racist mythology of Divine Mandate....it's Nazis!!! So what if they call themselves "Jews"? It's exactly the same thing--except this time we're supporting it.
These sweating nervous desperate gangsters are at the brink--just like the bankers! And just like a desperate CFO when called to account they are juggling faster than a cornered rat-bastard thief.
The history of British rule in Ireland is one of the most profoundly shameful episodes in European history. The fact that the Brits acted like Nazis is not so surprising when you consider how many of them loved the Nazis (until they stared bombing them, etc.).
The ZioNazis are far worse than the Brits in Ireland, and worse too than the Dutch in South Africa. The entire premise for the Ashkanazi invasion is itself pure Nazi-like ideology--the same mytho/religio racist Divine Mandate, etc. As for the sheer duplicity of the Israelis throughout their brief 60-yr reign, they've proven they will stab any "ally" in the back, deal with any lunatic right-wing dictator--or sell directly to the Iranians themselves--anything to make money.
As for the Palestinians, they were invaded and are systematically being brutalized and subjected to ethnic cleansing operations. And except for fervent Christers, Zios and nutjob Libertarian Survivalists, the entire world looks upon Israel with disgust.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:The fact that the Brits acted like Nazis is not so surprising when you consider how many of them loved the Nazis (until they stared bombing them, etc.).
The ZioNazis are far worse than the Brits in Ireland, and worse too than the Dutch in South Africa. The entire premise for the Ashkanazi invasion is itself pure Nazi-like ideology--the same mytho/religio racist Divine Mandate, etc.
Terry mentioned this recently, and perhaps it's worth your review. Whatever validity and credibility your arguments may have are severely diminished by the use and abuse of comparisons to the Nazis. Your points can be as easily and more convincingly made without them.
Wrong, S-Chan, the so-called "Godwin's Law" is total bullshit and has never had any credibility any where. Who the fuck says it has any validity? Quite the contrary, the very qualities of the German Nazis are not somehow a completely unique situation--or special level of evil. Bullshit! They didn't have the highest body count, and they sure had a lot of friends in America and Europe before the war broke out and all hell broke loose.
The comparisons of the Zionists and Nazis, meanwhile, are comprise a long list. Both are essentially racist. That's why they were both committed first and last to the establishment of a Race State. Both are built on a National Socialist model. Both are completely dedicated to a militaristic character and behavior (and in both cases because they're surrounded by enemies). Both routinely attacked neighboring countries under the guise of "preemptive defensive actions." Both take pride in a high--superior-- level of technology and Western culture. Both have no compunction whatsoever of flaunting any international law that might interfere with its plans. Both are pathologically engaged in the systematic sadistic subjugation and occupation of a specific group. Both locked up millions of innocent civilians in horrific ghettos surrounded by miles of razor-wire and thousands of trigger-happy guards. Both are governed by scheming thieves and gangsters (and I invite you to take a cursory examination of the records the various Prime Ministers and officials in Israel's brief history). As for the disgusting apartheid conditions that make up everyday life in Israel, this malignancy speaks for itself. That these desperate Russians, etc., can continue to pretend that they live in some sort of "democracy" in their "homeland" is a very weird joke indeed. Not for long, though.
Funny, how Nick keeps comparing Israel to the Nazis, while constantly ignoring the most basic fact that if Israel were like the Nazis there would be no Palestinians anywhere near Israel. There would be no Palestinians in Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and northern Egypt. Saudi shieks would be hard pressed to retain their oil fields. The entire eastern Mediteranean would be verboten to non-Israeli-friendly ships, as would the Suez Canal.
Moreover, if the Nazis had nukes, and the ability to use them against their enemies, like the Israelis do, well, christ.
After 1973, the entire place would either be Israel, or it would all be under Israeli rule, and any Muslim Arabs who tried to remain there would end up as worm food.
The Nazis would've dealt with this whole Palestinian issue by applying just a bit more of a lasting, final solution.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Wrong, S-Chan, the so-called "Godwin's Law" is total bullshit and has never had any credibility any where. Who the fuck says it has any validity? Quite the contrary, the very qualities of the German Nazis are not somehow a completely unique situation--or special level of evil.
The issue of validity isn't really the point, although I used it as a reason why Nazi references should be avoided. The real arguments against their use are more of perception or belief, and of impact. What you say above may be true, but to most people, the perception or widely-held belief is that Hitler and the Nazis do represent the pinnacle of evil. When comparisons to them are made, many if not most folks tune out the messenger because, in their minds, the border into hyperbole and exaggeration has been crossed. If the point of debate or argument is to persuade, and you've lost your audience due to a descent into hyperbole (real or perceived), then you've defeated the purpose of your argument. But feel free to continue doing what you do - I don't give a rat's ass. Just tryin' to tell you that if the evil you're trying to expose and convince others of is as insidious as you believe it to be, you should be able to convince them of it based on its "merits" without having to resort to Hitler comparisons, valid though they may be. Godwin himself acknowledges this:
It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
But like I said, if you believe that by constantly invoking the Nazis you are somehow strengthening the impact of your arguments, knock yourself out.
Van, that's a shallow and silly argument--basically you're suggesting that the Nazis should be only defined by their actions during their last four years of warfare and genocide, instead of the first seven years of simply being a anti-Communist bulwark of national/racial pride, etc. Obviously the ZioNazis are not in a position to simply commit genocide--though if you examine the tightening stranglehold on day-to-day life of the Palestinians, we see they're simply taking a more careful approach. After all, the rashness of the Germans backfired on them rather harshly, no?
Reducing "Nazi" behavior to immediate total genocide is simplistic at best, and really just disingenuous. If you examine the statements of Israel's Foreign Minister, Avi Lieberman concerning his proposals for the Palestinians, you'll see a very direct similarity to the German Nazi officials in, say, 1936.
Why you defend these gangsters remains a mystery.
S-Chan, I do appreciate your point, but I think it works both ways. That is, if folks can start seeing the stark similarities between Nazis and Askanazis' apartheid states, well perhaps the artificial wall between accepted historical evil and present day packaged/manipulated "necessary occupation" will begin to dissolve.
WW
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Van wrote:Funny, how Nick keeps comparing Israel to the Nazis, while constantly ignoring the most basic fact that if Israel were like the Nazis there would be no Palestinians anywhere near Israel. There would be no Palestinians in Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and northern Egypt. Saudi shieks would be hard pressed to retain their oil fields. The entire eastern Mediteranean would be verboten to non-Israeli-friendly ships, as would the Suez Canal.
Moreover, if the Nazis had nukes, and the ability to use them against their enemies, like the Israelis do, well, christ.
After 1973, the entire place would either be Israel, or it would all be under Israeli rule, and any Muslim Arabs who tried to remain there would end up as worm food.
The Nazis would've dealt with this whole Palestinian issue by applying just a bit more of a lasting, final solution.
If they were like any normal country in the history of warfare, the west bank and the sinai peninsula would have been theirs.
If they were like the nazis, they'd have liebenstraum from morrocco to the afghanistan by now and would control a big chunk of the world's earl. And allah would be fresh out of virgins
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Well, S-Holic, they're obviously not like any normal--natural--nation in history. It's an artificial construction based on a combination of Biblical mandates and a bunch of seething socialist racists. They've learned from the Germans--don't be too insanely over the top. Though, the barbaric attacks on Lebanon and Gaza show their true colors.
Nick, you can't invoke comparisons to Nazi Germany while avoiding the very things for which the Nazis were most infamous: rampant militarism and genocide.
From the time the Nazis achieved power in Germay they set out to rid Germany of Jews. First they scapegoated them, then they persecuted them, then they segregated them and finally they exterminated them.
These Jews weren't even people who were blowing up civilians and constantly calling for the eradication of Germany as a nation, either. These people weren't enemies of Germany.
Along the way, the Nazi's entire reason for being was to reverse the outcome of WWI and expand Germany's living space, through unchecked military conquest all across the face of Europe, extending even into Africa and Asia.
Meanwhile, here's Israel, staring at an even far more inviting and provocative set of circumstances. Israel has long held the ability to conquer and destroy her neighbors, and to rid her populace of undesirables, either through exportation or the firing squad.
Nobody would say boo to Isarel, had she simply said in 1973, "All of you, out. Immediately. You have one month to leave Israel voluntarily, otherwise you'll be forcibly removed. Resist through force, and you die."
In addition to this, while many nations would've whined to the UN about it, nobody or nothing would've stopped Israel from simply counter-attacking the Arab world and re-drawing the map.
That's certainly what the U.S. would've done. That's certainly what the Nazis would've done. That's certainly what every overpowering nation in the history of this planet would've done, if faced with similar circumstances.
The Israelis have put up walls, and fences, and refugee camps?
BFD. Those people would be dead, or living in Saudi Arabia by now, if it were any other country but Israel. The Nazis wouldn't have wasted ten minutes on hand-wringing over how to mollify these people. They would've thrown a tent over the whole place, executing a thorough house cleaning, and then they would've gone out shopping for local real estate.
Israel couldn't conceivably behave less like the Nazis, in any real Big Picture sense. Israel has been more patient and benevolent than any country in history, regarding its tolerance of weaker, warring neighbors. Every other country in history who was faced with Isreal's circumstances conquers and destroys those weaker neighbors, especially after proper provocation, which Israel can certainly claim. Every other country in history detains, deports or kills murderours enemies within their own borders.
Israel? They sit here and continue to take shit from their pathetic enemies, and from the likes of...you.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, S-Holic, they're obviously not like any normal--natural--nation in history. It's an artificial construction based on a combination of Biblical mandates and a bunch of seething socialist racists. They've learned from the Germans--don't be too insanely over the top. Though, the barbaric attacks on Lebanon and Gaza show their true colors.
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Van, your inverted and boxed logic is very similar to that of a Christer, just sayin'. The similarities between the respective national socialist race-states remain undisputed, we note. Surely you're aware that the Zionists immediately started shooting, bombing, threatening, and ethnically cleansing every single Palestinian they could even before the gerrymandered U.N. blessing of 1948 was officially bestowed. Your bizarre and truly twisted defense of the bunkered race state remains a mystery. Your assessments are skewed. For example, you buy into the idea that because Israel possesses a serious arsenal of illegal nukes that they can...defeat all its neighboring nations? This is ludicrous. They were basically spent in a futile pounding of Lebanon a couple years ago, and the shameless assault on Gaza was hardly the stuff of a true world power. They are desperate and fanatical, just like the German true Nazis..and they do have the bomb. And this is exactly why I spend these paragraphs on what might appear an uncomfortable or ugly topic. It is important.
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Van, your inverted and boxed logic is very similar to that of a Christer, just sayin'. The similarities between the respective national socialist race-states remain undisputed, we note. Surely you're aware that the Zionists immediately started shooting, bombing, threatening, and ethnically cleansing every single Palestinian they could even before the gerrymandered U.N. blessing of 1948 was officially bestowed. Your bizarre and truly twisted defense of the bunkered race state remains a mystery. Your assessments are skewed. For example, you buy into the idea that because Israel possesses a serious arsenal of illegal nukes that they can...defeat all its neighboring nations? This is ludicrous. They were basically spent in a futile pounding of Lebanon a couple years ago, and the shameless assault on Gaza was hardly the stuff of a true world power. They are desperate and fanatical, just like the German true Nazis..and they do have the bomb. And this is exactly why I spend these paragraphs on what might appear an uncomfortable or ugly topic. It is important.
It's Friday night and all you can think of is alluring "Jewish" cock.
I don't think I've ever seen the effort to attain "Jewish" cock by anyone on the internet at the vast speed you floor it to.
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LTS TRN 2 wrote:Van, your inverted and boxed logic is very similar to that of a Christer, just sayin'. The similarities between the respective national socialist race-states remain undisputed, we note. Surely you're aware that the Zionists immediately started shooting, bombing, threatening, and ethnically cleansing every single Palestinian they could even before the gerrymandered U.N. blessing of 1948 was officially bestowed. Your bizarre and truly twisted defense of the bunkered race state remains a mystery. Your assessments are skewed. For example, you buy into the idea that because Israel possesses a serious arsenal of illegal nukes that they can...defeat all its neighboring nations? This is ludicrous. They were basically spent in a futile pounding of Lebanon a couple years ago, and the shameless assault on Gaza was hardly the stuff of a true world power. They are desperate and fanatical, just like the German true Nazis..and they do have the bomb. And this is exactly why I spend these paragraphs on what might appear an uncomfortable or ugly topic. It is important.
It's Friday night and all you can think of is alluring "Jewish" cock.
I don't think I've ever seen the effort to attain "Jewish" cock by anyone on the internet at the vast speed you floor it to.
T-down, why are you so confused? I'm not against Jews--and I am most certainly against Nazis. So...why do you assume that I'm on their side? Oh, because you think that to be opposed to Zionism is to be anti-Jewish? This is idiotic--although in a bit of irony consider that a Zionist would agree that to be a proper Jew you must accept Zionism, just like a Nazi in the 1930's would insist that any true German must become a Nazi. Well, it's bullshit on both counts obviously. As you should be aware, many if not most of the leading critics of Zionism and Israeli policy are of course prominent Jews. Consider also that the whole raft of prominent Jewish Wall St. kleptomaniacs were (are?) all fervent supporters of Israel. Such as Boesky, Milken, Madoff, Marc Rich, and many more.
Seriously, let's quit the knee-jerk nonsense and start actually looking with an open mind at a very serious problem.
Look, wad, the only annihilation going on is of Iraqis, Afghans, and Palestinians--as far as U.S. policy goes.
Cut your lame attempt at smearing me as anti-Jewish. Do you know how to dance Zemer Tik? Who the fuck are you?
Any critique I've offered in this palsied forum has been in the direct promotion of less insane rapacious post-colonial racist land-grabbing, not more. Get a clue--or at least put your cards on the table. What do you support?
Oh, so two wrongs make a right? Or three rights make a left?
What the fuck are you talking about? If you are going to assail the spread of Islam, why not do so by comparing it to the similar spread of the Christer cult? After all, it occured at the same time, by the same means, etc.
The ZioNazis are not religious, but have used the Biblical mandates, etc., as a steady toll in leveraging U.S. and European support. Are you somehow unaware of this?
Israel is a gangster state, period. It has proven disastrous since it's first U.N. sanctioned day in 1948. And it's gotten much worse.
As far as I know very few people really adore Arab culture. That's not the point--though you seem to think it is. Rather, the sixty years of supporting this ZioNazi abomination has served to ignite a rabid and dangerous strain of Islamic fundamentalism. Perhaps apocalyptic religious loons welcome such a chaotic world. Do you? You regularly declare you want genocide. You're a outright seething Nazi yourself. And yet you shamelessly seek to invoke some sort of moral injunction against the current Arab outrage of Israeli policy and design? From under what rock have you and others like you crawled?
Believe it or not, a lot of them could stay. Believe it or not, there is no proposed policy to expel every Jew from Palestine--and there never was. Quite the contrary, the ethnically cleansing ZioNazis initiated the expulsion of Jews from neighboring Arab nations--where they'd lived peacefully and productively for centuries. These same actual Middle Eastern Jews, by the way, were promptly relegated to second class status by the invading European Jews. In any event, just like South Africa, many of the good folks who (reluctantly) gave up their post-colonial status as overlords of the occupied land can move--to the U.S., Australia, back to Russia or whatever European nation they're actually from. Many of the Euro Jews would of course be welcome in a non-apartheid Palestine, just as millions of white South Africans have stayed in that land--though they were there a lot longer than the Ashkanazis in Palestine. Believe it or not, it's not so impractical a scenario.
Well that's why you're properly nicced "Avi," because your toxic Nazi lunacy is precisely that of the most hardcore ultra-right Zionist gangsters, Avigdor Lieberman himself. Former bouncer and Russian mafia thug, he's parlayed his radical bunkered party (like a certain Austrian whom you so admire :wink: ) into a sudden dangerously propped coalition of desperate cornered...well, you fill in the blank! You're the Nazi.
As for your twisted take on Middle East history, here's some actual facts concerning the Palestinian people before the ZioNazi invasion
The "palestinians" want Israel to give up land and vacate it so they can have their own country without any Israelies in it. Israel says it can work something out as long as the bedoins recognize Israel as a Jewish State (inclusive of their 25% bedoin population). So all the bedoins have to do to get the ball rolling is to recognize Israel's right to exist, but they can't seem to be able to do that....but want all Israelis out of their territories....
Wonder why Israel is having a problem with that.....
As President Barack Obama (D) was preparing to go to Cairo, Egypt to reach out to that Arab/Muslim world, an Egyptian Muslim cleric was warning Muslims about the dangers of . . . Pepsi!.
Yep! In this clip captured from Egyptian television by MEMRI, (Middle East Media Research Institute) an imam (religious leader) warns his listeners that Pepsi is really an acronym for Pay Every Penny Saving Israel!
Donate the small change you don't need, but give it to the right cause. If you collect small change, you can buy this drink." They took the first letter of each word - "Pay Every Penny Saving Israel" - and they formed the word "Pepsi." When you pay [to buy Pepsi], you are saving Israel. I am not talking about Pepsi, but about Coca Cola and all of them. I don't want to specify the products. See for yourselves. You are Muslims. You can tell me. I don't know. My little son knows more about the boycott than me. When we go shopping, he says to me: "Buy this, don't buy that." He knows them by heart. He has become an expert in this.
Drink up!
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Seer, your take is very simplistic and simply wrong. The Palestinians have never said anything about wanting all Jews to leave--or anything even close. What they do demand is the end of the ZioNazi structure of occupying force. I'm sure many would like to live in their former beautiful city of Jaffa, but this doesn't mean they've called for the razing of Tel Aviv. No, they want the 1967 borders restored, for starters, and they want their capital in Jerusalem. As I've mentioned several times, Jews lived peacefully and productively throughout the Middle East for many centuries before the Zionazi invasion. Obviously the white European Askanazis would probably not want to live in a non apartheid state. They want the privileges that go with occupying and subjugating millions of local "untermensch" in brutal and desperate conditions. They want their private roads, etc. And since this entire attitude and policy is not only vile and immoral, it's also extremely impractical in the long run--and so must end. Sooner than you might think. Or what?
Let them want in one hand and shit in the other and see which hand fills up first
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Good line. Did you make that up? Whatever, the same pompous attitude accompanied the French in Algeria and the U.S in Vietnam, Germany in Poland, blah blah...remember, this particular gambit--the West Bank Palestinians and soon to be majority Israeli Arabs "wanting"--is only the hinge. Your stating of the obvious in the IDF's ability to massacre huddled civilians, etc., misses the point, as usual. The support of Israel has basically pulled the entire West into a sewer with the apartheid bunker state. And a lot of nations are going to want to get out.
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You apparently are quite in the dark as to the actual ruthless backstabbing and throat-slitting that constitutes Israeli politics. Consider that Netanyahu's current Foreign Minister, the truly anti-Semitic (Arabs are pure Semite, crapper) goon, Avi Lieberman, is a (very recently) Russian mafia figure. Israel is a gangster state--about as honest as Bernie Madoff, or former AIG CEO Hank Greenberg, former Citcigroup CEO Sandy Weill, recently-retired Lehman Bros. CEO Richard Fuld, former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan, former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin, current Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, and sooner you wake up to this the sooner you can stop making stupid comments about "anti-Semitism." 
