Al Davis

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:27 pm

Got himself a ~~new coffee boy~~ headcoach in appointing Tom Cable, formerly the "interim" head coach....reportedly, Cable is "his own man and won't cowtow to Davis"

uh, yeah right....so, what's the over/under on Cable's stay

my guess, he'll be gone before the 2009 season reaches it's halfway mark

what say you duh fan...is this ~~step-and-fetchit~~ new coach going to last?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:32 pm

Cable will stay at least one year. Firing Cable halfway through next season would be tantamount to Davis admitting that he didn't know what they hell he was doing hiring Cable in the first place. Even Lane Kiffen stayed longer than that.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:37 am

Looking at the Raider coaching situation objectively, I imagine Oakland will be in another head coach search within 365 days from now.
Hope I'm wrong, but I base that take on two fundamental points.

1. Tom Cable wouldn't be a head coach on any other team in the league. Hell, he very likely wouldn't even be up for O-Coordinator on any other team in the league.

2. Nobody of any note wanted to coach the Raiders.

So as I see it, this job is Cable's basically by default.

Not inspiring.

To Cable's credit, though, I will note a few things.

1. He has a better winning pct than the three coaches Oakland had before him -- Kiffin, Shell, Turner. Ok ... that isn't saying much. lol

2. The team he coached last year had every reason to pack it in and quit, but ... they didn't. In fact, they got BETTER toward the end of the season and they looked like they WANTED to get better under Cable. They won their last two games of the season over decent teams, Texans and Bucs. And the win at TB was over a team that was at home and basically playing what amounted to a playoff game. It was a good finish for the Raiders.

3. Russell got noticably better under Cable. Perhaps this was a case of him improving because he had more reps under his belt, I dunno. But he DID get better after Kiffin left.

4. Cable WANTS this job and he seems to have the "unique" ability to handle Al. Maybe we just have to see how this plays out over the long term, though.

I'm not that jazzed about the coordinators Oakland has now.

Marshall was HATED by Seahawk fan.
He had a pretty fair amount of talent to work with in Seattle and he didn't get them to perform well.
Will he do better in Oakland than R. Ryan did?
I dunno.

Ted Tollner doesn't do a lot for me as O-Coordinator.
He's just not distinguished himself at all, imo.

I DO like P. Hackett as a mentor for Russell, though.

Oakland has a couple of big issues, as I see it.

1. They have no GM -- hi, Al Davis!?

2. They are not in good shape with the cap. Too much spending last season that didn't pay off all that well.

As I look at the West, SD doesn't scare me.
Norv is in place.
I like.

Dungver will be in transition with McDaniels coming in.
I'm pleased to see Rat go, as he owned Oakland.
The Mules have a lot of work to do, especially on defense.

KC is an interesting team right now, and if this was a stock market, I'd buy into them, because the price is VERY low and there might be reason to think they will be moving up.
They've got a capable GM in place.
If Haley is the new coach, he brings some fire and offensive capability, although what he was working with in Arizona was a lot better than the talent that is currently in place in KC.
The Chiefs have a lot of room under the cap.
Look for them to be very active.
If they are wise they will follow Miami's lead and try to bring in a stable vet QB, like Pennington last year.
They will build the O-Line.
I could see KC contending for a division title (or more) 2 or 3 years down the road ... maybe.

As for Oakland, maybe they've caught lighting in a bottle with Cable.

But my common sense tells me that is just a fan's wet dream.

Wait and see.

RACK my 7,000th!

orcinus · Post by **orcinus** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:10 am

:librarybooks:

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:25 am

If you want to give me a call in Korea, I'll give you my number.

:Shrubber:

:867-5309:

:Jenny Jenny:

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:55 pm

...Alice is an expert on Powerpoint

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:07 pm

In other news, the Raiders today unveiled their 50th Season Logo.

Looks appropriate.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:55 pm

Rack..scoreboard talkin'

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:59 am

How about commitment to idiocy?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl,142654

$45 Million (28 Guaranteed) 3 yr contract for a CB????? - OK he's one of the best in the league but damn.

Far more laughable is they just gave $16 Mil ($9 Mill Guaranteed) to the Punter:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around ... nfl,142741

Of course the cost of all FAs just exploded - try explaining the recesssion to those guys

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:31 am

4 mil/yr. for a fucking punter

that proves it-the crypt keeper has gone off the deep end

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:37 am

Hatorade party, fliends?

I like both signings, and I didn't expect to see both of 'em inked long-term.

It's all good.

Both guys are THE (or damn close to it) best in the league at their positions.

And both guys would have gotten damn near the same contracts had they signed elsewhere.

Don't kid yourselves.

Remember, there might be no salary cap in '10.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:00 pm

Gibril Wilson released.

WOAH!!

He was REALLY solid for Oakland last year.

Didn't see this one comin'.

Cable said there was a "split" in the lockerroom last year that he had to deal with.

Me guesses G. Wilson was somehow seen as a big playah in the ... split.

Oakland is officially very weak at safety as of right now.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:42 pm

poptart wrote: Oakland is officially very weak at safety as of right now.

yeah, but take solace in the fact they've locked up a top notch punter for 4 years.....of course, they only needed to pay him 3 times as much per year as the next highest paid punter in the league, but that's the genius of Al Davis....obviously, Lechler is an intricate part of the dud's uh, uh, uh

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:05 am

The Titans just signed their kicker, R. Baronis, to a 4 year 12 million dollar deal.
That's 3 million a year ... for a kicker.

THAT is almost twice what any kicker in the league got last year and nobody is crappin' their pants over it.

Oh, that's right, because it wasn't Al Davis.

Lechler got 9 million dollar ... guaranteed.
My guess, since the full details were not disclosed, is that perhaps 5 million (of his total 16 million) was in the form of a signing bonus.

In that case, his yearly base salary is 2.75 million.

And if all of the 9 million guaranteed he recieved is in the form of the signing bonus (which it could be), then his base salary drops to 1.75 million a year.

So Lechler is getting a base of between 1.75 - 2.75 million a year.

Last year the Titan punter, C. Hentrich was the highest paid punter in the league in base salary, at 1.6 million.

If the highest paid punter got 1.6 million last year, it figures that this year it would jump up to about 2 million.

Lechler is the best punter in the game.

My view is that Al probably paid a bit more to keep him than Lechler would have gotten on the open market.

But your take that Al paid Lechler three times what the next highest paid punter is paid is demonstrably ... FALSE and wack.

And look, smarty, Oakland went 5-11 last year.

Without Lechler they would have probably gone ... 4-12, or something really awful like that.

He's needed. :wink:

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:35 pm

poptart wrote:The Titans just signed their kicker, R. Baronis, to a 4 year 12 million dollar deal.
That's 3 million a year ... for a kicker.

placekickers score points and actually win games, while punters er.....er.....pin the opponents deep in their own territory

RJ · Post by RJ » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:13 pm

poptart wrote:Gibril Wilson released.

WOAH!!

He was REALLY solid for Oakland last year.

Didn't see this one comin'.

Cable said there was a "split" in the lockerroom last year that he had to deal with.

Me guesses G. Wilson was somehow seen as a big playah in the ... split.

Oakland is officially very weak at safety as of right now.

Pops, Gerbil was excellent vs. the run for us, but was incredibly weak in coverage as well. There were too many times I counted where he was either 2-3 steps away from his assignment, or flat out beat altogether. He wasnt a pro-bowl caliber player, but was decent. There's a reason the Gints didnt attempt to resign him after they had won the title, and we found out why. For his caliber, he was extremely overpaid ('Sup Alcula..... :x).

There are a few guys out there that Al can still give idiotic amounts of money to. I'd personally rather build through the draft.

Nice to see Edwards and Curry released. Next up is Harris and Walker. Grove gets to walk too, but he'll either re-sign or be replaced by Jeff Saturday. I like the trimming of fat on our roster-its time to give our young, talented kids a chance (ESPECIALLY our young WR's!!! When given playing time, they've been very good!) to show what they've got. Screw these half-assed playing vets who have already cashed in-I want the young HUNGRY kids who have something to prove in there mixing it up for us.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:21 pm

the generally solid Pops wrote

"As I look at the West, SD doesn't scare me.
Norv is in place.
I like."

...Bolts 10-0 vs. Oakland in past 10...Norv two straight division titles and two straight playoff appearances...I see your point Pops. :?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:12 pm

Mike, Norv inherited a team that was 14-2.
He took them to 11-5 in his first year, then 8-8 his second.

You see where we're going with this.

The West was as bad as I've ever seen it last year.

James, what you say about Gibril is true -- he was excellent v. the run and prolly a bit below average v. the pass.
But he was a vet, he was physical, and he was better than anything we've had back there for a few years.

But yeah, he was going to be overpaid if we kept him.
And I suspect he was somehow a "bad apple" in Cable's eyes.

So he's out.

Damn, we've struggled at safety for what seems like ... FOREVER.
I like the youth push, but I feel like safety is one position on the field where at least ONE of your guys there needs to be heady veteran.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:57 pm

"Mike, Norv inherited a team that was 14-2.
He took them to 11-5 in his first year, then 8-8 his second.

You see where we're going with this.

The West was as bad as I've ever seen it last year."...CONCUR

Pops, The Bolts lost 4 of those games last year by 1-1-2-and 3 points, 3 of them on last second field goals. I think Norvula has done a credible job especially in the playoffs. He took them to the conference championship game his first year and has two big wins over Indy and a win vs. Tennesee. I see momentum building...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:24 pm

ChargerMike wrote:"Mike, Norv inherited a team that was 14-2.
He took them to 11-5 in his first year, then 8-8 his second.

You see where we're going with this.

The West was as bad as I've ever seen it last year."...CONCUR

Pops, The Bolts lost 4 of those games last year by 1-1-2-and 3 points, 3 of them on last second field goals. I think Norvula has done a credible job especially in the playoffs. He took them to the conference championship game his first year and has two big wins over Indy and a win vs. Tennesee. I see momentum building...

One of those loses would have been an 8 point loss if the refs actually knew the rules pertaining to advancing fumbles.

sin

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:09 am

^^^^ knew I could count on you Bri. Yes, an all-time "scoop" by Poly should have stood.

RJ · Post by RJ » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:36 pm

Interesting SI article on Al during the 60's before he became the Daywalker:

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ ... /index.htm

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:18 pm

...intresting indeed..

"There is no dominant team in the league. With the exception of San Diego"

some things never change

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:06 pm

ChargerMike wrote:...intresting indeed..

"There is no dominant team in the league. With the exception of San Diego"

some things never change

Bwah!

And "as bad" as the west was this year The Chargers still ended up deep into the playoffs.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:31 pm

ChargerMike wrote:some things never change

Yeah... like the fact that your shit franchise hasn't won a title since the season that article came out.

Perhaps this was the beginning of the SI curse? The falling down drunk Mod of this forum has a better chance of making it to the "12th step" than SD does winning a Super Bowl in your lifetime. Make your peace with that before you meet your maker.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:19 pm

...check me if I'm wrong, but isn't conference championship game "deep into the playoffs? thought so!

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:04 pm

ChargerMike wrote:...check me if I'm wrong, but isn't conference championship game "deep into the playoffs? thought so!

The Chargers did not make the conference championship game this year.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:23 pm

Divisional round, championship round... what's next? A few months from now Chargertard will be relating stories of the Super Bowl contest where they beat up on the Cardinals.

Tim Johnson is a Chargers fan, right?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:16 pm

RJ wrote:Interesting SI article on Al during the 60's before he became the Daywalker:

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ ... /index.htm

Very interesting read, James.

Mucho thanks!

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:42 pm

BSmack wrote:
ChargerMike wrote:...check me if I'm wrong, but isn't conference championship game "deep into the playoffs? thought so!
The Chargers did not make the conference championship game this year.

...No, you're right Bri, they didn't but alas, I ~~believe~~ know we were talking about Norv's tenure with the Bolts, not just last year (check back earlier in the thread) no wait I'll do it fo you.."Mike, Norv inherited a team that was 14-2. He took them to 11-5 in his first year, then 8-8 his second."

..the Bolts did make it to the Conference game vs. the Pats losing 21-12 in 2007

...thanks for checking in and showing your complete ingnorance though R-JOKE.

trev · Post by **trev** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:24 am

R-Jack wrote:
ChargerMike wrote:...check me if I'm wrong, but isn't conference championship game "deep into the playoffs? thought so!

Dumbest
Fucking
Fanbase
Ever

Quit stealing others' lines douchebag. You're no RJ and never will be.

trev · Post by **trev** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:41 am

ChargerMike wrote:I ~~believe~~ know we were talking about Norv's tenure with the Bolts, not just last year (check back earlier in the thread)

It's pretty much assumed when talking about the AFC West in here we are sometimes generalizing about this era and how the Chargers are the dominating team, aside from making it deep into the playoffs more often than not. Raider blockhead hasn't had much to cheer about lately so cut them some slack. As long as they stick to their own takes and don't start thieving others' we can enjoy them and look forward to many more years ahead of our team kicking their teams asses.

trev · Post by **trev** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:57 am

R-Jack wrote:
How about you quit stealing the typical Chargerfan shtick and try to act like you actually know what the fuck you are talking about.

Yeah? Like mouthing off about a rivals team winning in the playoffs only to go "deeper" into said playoffs? Too funny.

Why don't you call me a twat again. It makes you look really smart.

RJ · Post by RJ » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:13 am

trev wrote:Why don't you call me a twat again. It makes you look really smart.

Thats a fat RACK.

Trev is as thick skinned as they come, and she has taken much abuse over the years-only to come right back and keep swinging. RACK us old skool vets who've been throwing down with each other for too many years to count. R-Jack, your RACK fell to the floor faster than your pudgy dad gut after a belt loosening when you claimed I didnt drop a past F-Bomb of all things.

Getting back on track here, I really like that The Count has restrained himself from throwing insanely stupid money at subpar players. I'd like to see him make a run at Orlando Pace and Re-sign Grove and Carslisle, but thats pretty much it. Let the kids show what they can do this coming season, and trim the remaining fat next offseason.

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:10 pm

Hey RJ, you need to give our little friend R-Jack some lessons on how to conduct himself here in the big boys and girls forum. He needs to learn that his act in the Cul de Sac doesn't quite work in here. :D

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:09 pm

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I think R-Jack's characterization of the San Diego Charger fanbase in the "big boys and girls forum" is rather accurate.

trev · Post by **trev** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:28 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:51 pm

Lest we forget... the Tard Handbook was penned in this very forum. Dedicated to Charger Fan's idiocy. That's going back about 3-4 years.

RJ · Post by RJ » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:45 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Search found 1,071,469 matches
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Always nice to start the morning out with a hearty laugh.