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88 wrote:

BSmack wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:Some articles are indicating that Christianity has lost its potency as a means of oppression, control, and coercion. For the powerful, it has served its purpose. Islam is the new way. Some suggest it's prophecy in both Christian lore and Islamic lore.

Go figure.

Off the wagon eh? Or is rambling incoherency what you were aiming for?

Tom's take seems pretty clear to me. What part are you unable to understand?

The part where any sane person would, after casting aside Christian idiocy, then convert to an even more backwards Islamic idiocy.

Why would I have had to fall off the wagon to read stuff on the internet, watch documentary youtube videos and gather information ?

I'm just passing on information here B, the only intriguing aspect to it all for me anyway is the fact we're supposedly "not caving into terrorists", yet cower and scurry at every turn to not offend them - while we're killing them

And now, in Libya, we're allied with them. Go figure.

Who knows what the fuck is going on. Burning books is silly but attempts to make Jones the least bit culpable in the reactionary violence that occurs is misguided in my opinion. I respect Petraeus a lot but when he said Jones was harming the war effort, a week or two after news broke of a rogue unit killing civilians and posing with pictures of them, I have to think it's either symbolic of our collective insanity or an intentional misdirection.


P.S. Thanks 88
PPS. B, I didn't say there would be mass conversions. No need to lose your head.

Tom In VA wrote:Why would I have had to fall off the wagon to read stuff on the internet, watch documentary youtube videos and gather information ? I'm just passing on information here B, the only intriguing aspect to it all for me anyway is the fact we're supposedly "not caving into terrorists", yet cower and scurry at every turn to not offend them - while we're killing them And now, in Libya, we're allied with them. Go figure.

We were allied with bin Laden and Saddam. I'm pretty sure we are not allied with either any more.

What I believe you're referencing is the policy of this and previous administrations to not offend the sensibilities of muslims. Now I believe their religion to be as backward a religion as possible in this world. But that is no reason to insult them on their home turf. That would be like Alabama fans waving dead tree limbs at the Iron Bowl next year.

Who knows what the fuck is going on. Burning books is silly but attempts to make Jones the least bit culpable in the reactionary violence that occurs is misguided in my opinion. I respect Petraeus a lot but when he said Jones was harming the war effort, a week or two after news broke of a rogue unit killing civilians and posing with pictures of them, I have to think it's either symbolic of our collective insanity or an intentional misdirection.

Jones is absolutely not responsible for the insanity of muslims who have rioted and killed. Those people are barbarians. Period.

PPS. B, I didn't say there would be mass conversions. No need to lose your head.

Then what did you mean when you said "Islam is the new way" Tom?

Tom In VA wrote:I respect Petraeus a lot

Rack.

Sincerely,

Tom In VA wrote:Who knows what the fuck is going on. Burning books is silly but attempts to make Jones the least bit culpable in the reactionary violence that occurs is misguided in my opinion.

Any rational person would conclude that Jones' appearance in a Muslim community would cause problems, so, yes, he would be culpable. We do have laws against inciting riots. That doesn't justify any illegal actions by the rioters, should there be any, but Jones would/should be held culpable for inciting said riot. On a good day, someone will kill Jones, the killer and rioters will be arrested, and everyone will live happier ever after.

Mace wrote:On a good day, someone will kill Jones.

If you have someone change your adult diaper more often and maybe apply some Boudreaux's Butt Paste to your rash areas, you wouldn't be such an irate old geezer.

Just sayin'...

Mace wrote:We do have laws against inciting riots.

Touche. So it looks like Jones, the Police in any major city, the Wisconisn Governor, sports team - college, pro and high school and believe it or not - little tike leagues - should all be arrested and jailed for inciting riots ?

Prison wardens ? When there incompetent running of a prison, "incites" inmates to riot - should we throw the warden in with them for inciting riots ?

Where do we draw the line ? Or do we just admit that the "inmates" really do run the assylum ?

The Wisconsin governor cannot be arrested and jailed for inciting riots because there have been no riots, you criminally disingenuous tard. Kindly go somewhere and try to unfuck yourself.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mace wrote:We do have laws against inciting riots.

Touche. So it looks like Jones, the Police in any major city, the Wisconisn Governor, sports team - college, pro and high school and believe it or not - little tike leagues - should all be arrested and jailed for inciting riots ?

Prison wardens ? When there incompetent running of a prison, "incites" inmates to riot - should we throw the warden in with them for inciting riots ?

Where do we draw the line ? Or do we just admit that the "inmates" really do run the assylum ?

Don't be ridiculous.

Mace wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

Mace wrote:We do have laws against inciting riots.

Touche. So it looks like Jones, the Police in any major city, the Wisconisn Governor, sports team - college, pro and high school and believe it or not - little tike leagues - should all be arrested and jailed for inciting riots ?

Prison wardens ? When there incompetent running of a prison, "incites" inmates to riot - should we throw the warden in with them for inciting riots ?

Where do we draw the line ? Or do we just admit that the "inmates" really do run the assylum ?

Don't be ridiculous.

Why don't you just ask the sun not to shine.

BSmack wrote:What I believe you're referencing is the policy of this and previous administrations to not offend the sensibilities of muslims.

What I was referencing wasn't a critique on this or any other previous administration. It's more a commentary on my perception of a very global "eggshell" walk done around the globe when it comes to Islam. They've taken "Much better to be feared, than loved" to a new level and governments, editors, producers, etc.. are falling into line for fear of inciting riots and incurring the wrath of the Muslim Mob.

Europe is probably the most vulnerable to this right now due to the influx of Muslim immigrants.

BSmack wrote: Then what did you mean when you said "Islam is the new way" Tom?

It's a commentary on some 'fringe' productions I've watched recently. One from, what appears to be a Christian and others from Islam. I find some of the intersections fascinating with this 2012 stuff. Not the "end of the world" in an apocolyptic sense but a "paradigm shift" if that's the correct term. The Christian dude claims that the eradication of Christianity will escalate in 2012. The Muslim stuff is the Twefth Imam stuff, they write about and some interesting Islamic propaganda suggests the current internal unrest in places like Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi, etc.. is all "part of the plan" and signs this is coming about.

It's interesting stuff. Say what you will, while these sources might be "fringe", it'd be hard pressed to look at the history of the world, of Western Civilization whose birthplace is the Middle East, and not see how the dynamics of the power hungry, the three Abrahamic religions etc. are all intertwined.

It's bigger than the both of us, and more than I can sort out but I'd be lying if I said I didn't find it intriguing and often - bone chillingly coincidental.

Goober McTuber wrote:The Wisconsin governor cannot be arrested and jailed for inciting riots because there have been no riots, you criminally disingenuous tard. Kindly go somewhere and try to unfuck yourself.

Man, what a knee jerk reaction Goobs. Can't take a little good natured ribbing ? I thought we were cool.

Mace wrote: Don't be ridiculous.

I am not. You said Jones is guilty of inciting riots and that inciting riots is against the law. What I am is ignorant of the law and the context in which inciting riots is legal vs. illegal.

I thought maybe you could elaborate.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:The Wisconsin governor cannot be arrested and jailed for inciting riots because there have been no riots, you criminally disingenuous tard. Kindly go somewhere and try to unfuck yourself.

Man, what a knee jerk reaction Goobs. Can't take a little good natured ribbing ? I thought we were cool.

Ribbing my fucking ass. You pull this shit repeatedly. Then when you get called on it, you go into your little hurt feelings routine. At least mvscal is right up front with his bullshit.

Goober McTuber wrote:Ribbing my fucking ass. You pull this shit repeatedly. Then when you get called on it, you go into your little hurt feelings routine. At least mvscal is right up front with his bullshit.

Dude, my feelings aren't hurt. The Wisconsin scene ? I've barely commented on it, it's a Wisonsin problem, I might even said such in the only comment I offerred on the matter.

Are YOU the only person here that can post shit for "shits and giggles".

Christ dude, if it irritates you that much, stay the fuck away from my posts and I'll return the favor in kind. You're one uptight motherfucker.

Tom In VA wrote:What I was referencing wasn't a critique on this or any other previous administration. It's more a commentary on my perception of a very global "eggshell" walk done around the globe when it comes to Islam. They've taken "Much better to be feared, than loved" to a new level and governments, editors, producers, etc.. are falling into line for fear of inciting riots and incurring the wrath of the Muslim Mob. Europe is probably the most vulnerable to this right now due to the influx of Muslim immigrants.

That must be why the French just passed their "no veil" laws. Because they are so afraid of upsetting muslims.

Seriously, the sky is not falling. If anything, Europe is becoming atheist, not muslim.

BSmack wrote: That must be why the French just passed their "no veil" laws. Because they are so afraid of upsetting muslims.

Valid point.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Ribbing my fucking ass. You pull this shit repeatedly. Then when you get called on it, you go into your little hurt feelings routine. At least mvscal is right up front with his bullshit.

Dude, my feelings aren't hurt. The Wisconsin scene ? I've barely commented on it, it's a Wisonsin problem, I might even said such in the only comment I offerred on the matter.

Are YOU the only person here that can post shit for "shits and giggles".

Christ dude, if it irritates you that much, stay the fuck away from my posts and I'll return the favor in kind. You're one uptight motherfucker.

Yeah, I know. You don't like getting called on your bullshit.

Webter.com wrote: dis•in•gen•u•ous adj
Definition of DISINGENUOUS
: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : calculating



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You're a fucking idiot, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past but no, you're just an idiot.

Tom In VA wrote:

Mace wrote: Don't be ridiculous.

I am not. You said Jones is guilty of inciting riots and that inciting riots is against the law. What I am is ignorant of the law and the context in which inciting riots is legal vs. illegal.

I thought maybe you could elaborate.

I didn't say that Jones is guilty of inciting a riot BUT, should something happen when he appears in Michigan, he very well could be. If he stands outside a Mosque and burns a Koran, then yes, he's inciting a riot....should a riot occur. Those rioting would also be arrested, of course, but Jones would have instigated it with his own actions.

As for your comments regarding sports teams/prison wardens.....yeah, you could present a scenario where someone could be charged with inciting a riot but, in the case of a prison warden, it is pretty ridiculous. Dumbass parents at sporting events are far more likely to be charged with assault or disturbing the peace when they attack a coach or game official, as there aren't usually enough idiots in the crowd to actually "riot"...unless we're talking about Raiderfan.

Tom In VA wrote:

You're a fucking idiot, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past but no, you're just an idiot.

Well, that's an interesting comeback.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

You're a fucking idiot, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past but no, you're just an idiot.

Well, that's an interesting comeback.

You incited me to riot.

Mace wrote:As for your comments regarding sports teams/prison wardens.....yeah, you could present a scenario where someone could be charged with inciting a riot but, in the case of a prison warden, it is pretty ridiculous.

I hear you. The Warden does things to cause dissatisfaction within the prison population and prisoners or prisoner, "incites" the others to riot.

Warden - stimulus
Prison dude(s) inciting riots - reponse.

I just think Jones, as stupid as burning a book is, is the stimulus here. The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

You're a fucking idiot, I've tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in the past but no, you're just an idiot.

Well, that's an interesting comeback.

You incited me to riot.

melt ≠ riot

Tom In VA wrote:

Mace wrote:As for your comments regarding sports teams/prison wardens.....yeah, you could present a scenario where someone could be charged with inciting a riot but, in the case of a prison warden, it is pretty ridiculous.

I hear you. The Warden does things to cause dissatisfaction within the prison population and prisoners or prisoner, "incites" the others to riot.

Warden - stimulus
Prison dude(s) inciting riots - reponse.

I just think Jones, as stupid as burning a book is, is the stimulus here. The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

I suspect that there will be such a huge police presence when he shows up in Deerborn that it may deter any rioting, and if he pulls out the Koran and a cigarette lighter, maybe one of the cops will shoot him and end it right there.

As long as the warden is acting within the laws and policy of the state, the prisoners can save their energy and go fuck themselves...or their cellmate.

Goober McTuber wrote: melt ≠ riot

Aaaah, the good ole days. You got me. You win.

Tom In VA wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote: melt ≠ riot

Aaaah, the good ole days. You got me. You win.

Thanks, Tom. That really makes my day.

Mace,

So you approve of Law Enforcement shooting people exercising their First Amendment right ?

I understand what you're saying. The dude is doing this - for reasons other than "protest", he's stirring shit for some reason. If he did it outside CAIR's offices, I'd change my mind. But I don't get the point he's trying to make and find his methods - "unsound".

Tom In VA wrote:The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

The Muslims aren't lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran...

...They're lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran and...oh yeah...your government is dropping cluster munitions on their villages.

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

The Muslims aren't lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran...

...They're lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran and...oh yeah...your government is dropping cluster munitions on their villages.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Tom In VA wrote:Mace,

So you approve of Law Enforcement shooting people exercising their First Amendment right ?

I understand what you're saying. The dude is doing this - for reasons other than "protest", he's stirring shit for some reason. If he did it outside CAIR's offices, I'd change my mind. But I don't get the point he's trying to make and find his methods - "unsound".

No, I wouldn't approve - I was joking.

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

The Muslims aren't lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran...

...They're lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran and...oh yeah...your government is dropping cluster munitions on their villages.

Thanks b-juice, for someone injecting some reality into this dithering discourse of doddering dolts.

C'mon, Tom, it's not a "Wisconsin thing"--it's an American thing that happens to have ignited in Madison. It's the power grab by the Koch brothers super rich plutocrats who want to return America to its charming 1900 model of serf labor and castles on the hill. And you're going to...hide your head?

As for the Christer aggression in the Middle East, well it's been thoroughly exposed as a war based on lies, smears, and disinformation. Just like the religion itself. Of course Islam is no better, but don't try to pretend it's so different from the Christer cult. They're both huge entities intensely bent on converting new members, both drastically intolerant of anything but their own doctrine and dogma, and they will kill you if you oppose them. Of course in America and Europe we've had an awakening of secular modern thinking, and the inquisition and with burnings are somewhat in abeyance. but loons like Jones actually believes that anyone not on board with the Christer cult will suffer unending hell, etc. just like the seething Imams.

Wake the fuck up

Mace wrote:Any rational person would conclude that Jones' appearance in a Muslim community would cause problems, so, yes, he would be culpable.

Bullshit. Any rational person would conclude that those who initiate violence are the only ones culpable. No real surprise to see you on your knees sucking off Muslim scum, though.

That doesn't justify any illegal actions by the rioters,

You just did exactly that, you stupid, dong slurping tard.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:As for the Christer aggression in the Middle East,

There is no "Christer" or even Christian aggression in the Middle East, you brainless fucktard. It's about securing energy supplies not saving souls, dipshit.

mvscal wrote:

Mace wrote:Any rational person would conclude that Jones' appearance in a Muslim community would cause problems, so, yes, he would be culpable.

Bullshit. Any rational person would conclude that those who initiate violence are the only ones culpable. No real surprise to see you on your knees sucking off Muslim scum, though.

That doesn't justify any illegal actions by the rioters,

You just did exactly that, you stupid, dong slurping tard.

Stupid psychopathic racist bitch says what?

Martyred wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:The response are the Muslims who get all goofy and riot or in foreign lands - slice off heads.

The Muslims aren't lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran...

...They're lopping off domes because Reverend ShitPickle is burning the Koran and...oh yeah...your government is dropping cluster munitions on their villages.

C'mon Marteeee, I know that, I only said it here in this thread, I know you're uber hip and all but give a teeny bit o' credit here. Throw me a bone will ya ?

Papa Willie wrote:
So you'll march for Allah, but not for Baby Jesus? You know, MOST black folks believe in Jesus. Discuss your problem with that, because I guess you really are a WACIST!

Let's go huntin' now--everybody's huntin' now--come on huntin' with me....

Controversial Pastor Terry Jones accidentally fired his .40-caliber handgun while he was in the parking lot of a Southfield TV studio Thursday night, according to police.

The 59-year-old Florida pastor was getting in the passenger side of his car at 11:10 p.m. after an interview when the Taurus handgun fired, sending a bullet into the floorboard, Southfield Police Lt. Nick Loussia said Friday.

"Officers heard a gunshot, approached the vehicle, asked Mr. Jones if he was OK," Loussia said.

("Sure," he replied, "but not the next aardvark that crosses my path"...)

So, big guy, what are you looking to bag and salt? A rabbit ? Your neighbor's dog? Hey, it's one or the other :wink: