We're talkin' Rock & Roll

[Goober McTuber]

We were downright childish at times.

Were?

"We" being the operative term.

[Jay in Phoenix]

With apologies to the Monkees

Take the last thread to Honksville,
Goobs’ll meet you on the way in,
Claims I always used to post there,
He suffers from bad retardation.
Don't be slow, Like Goobs, no, no!
Oh, no, no, no!

Goober’s living in the past now
And he must be sufferin’,
We'll have one more silly flame war
That's as pointless as his spins,
Goob really blows, oh, ho ho ho!
He likes to blow…

And his waxed balls are as shriveled as a gnomes.

Read the last thread on Honskville.
Goober’s ranting like a bumpkin.
He’ll take huge swings with bad misses
His sanity is in remission,
Oh there he goes,
naming his toes!

Goober’s hung up on this Honksville,
Now I must dismiss this clone.
I can't hear him in this music thread
ranting all alone, and drooling so…
Oh, no, no, no!
Oh, no, no, no!
And I’m pretty sure his mind is finally blown.

Take the last thread to Honksville…
Take the last thread to Honksville.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I thought I was
the last word fucking king.
But I just handed
my last word crown to him.[/i]

[BSmack]

Also Bri's spread sheet needs a rack. You cannot possibly have retained that much knowledge about inane internet flame boards. Fucking impossible. You had to have wrote this shit down, maybe in hopes of just this day ??

I thought about writing a book about what happened. But no, that stuff happened IRL. I was at Skelly's house when his rant went down. Not really had to remember that.

[Wolfman]

using proxy servers in Czechoslovakia

Ah yes. Anyone here remember Living With Mom?

[Goober McTuber]

using proxy servers in Czechoslovakia

Ah yes. Anyone here remember Living With Mom?

Yours? Yes.

[Derron]

I remember we invaded a short-lived board that Derron and some others posted at, using proxy servers in Czechoslovakia or Bulgaria. They all thought they been hacked by some Eastern European internet terrorists.

Margaritaville was absolute hoot.

We were downright childish at times.

Not recalling that anybody thought you were Eastern European internet terrorists, pretty much figured it had to be some of the usual suspects trolling..but if YOU though you were Eastern European terrorists, I guess your fantasy was fulfilled there. If I remember that board did not make it a month before it got ran.

Margaritaville was a bunch of do gooders who wanted everybody to be niccccee....You could roll in there and start an flame that would last all day. Drop an f bomb on them and they would completely melt. We would roll in there in packs, get them all twisted up and then leave. I got banned real fast, and under a couple of different nics as well. Amusing for a bit, but not anything special.

[Goober McTuber]

The funniest part about Margaritaville was that it more resembled chat than a forum. There were only a half dozen or so regulars, but they were all logged in all day long, and every post got numerous almost instantaneous responses. Rich ground indeed for trolling.

[Smackie Chan]

We were downright childish at times.

Were?

"We" being the operative term.

"You" were part of that "we" and are a member of the current "we." I'd like to think that "we" are never too old to have a misspent youth. I try to practice having one, anyway.

[War Wagon]

Getting back to the "point" of the thread, which I had intended to do before getting side tracked by Goobs being Goobs...

I think Truman's point is that MTV allowed a whole host of new groups of a different "rock" style to have a large platform from which to show their stuff.

Tru has never needed anybody to explain his point of view. With all due respect, I'd rather see him explain how he equated The Cars with the MTV generation. From my point of view, that was a total whiff of a Bret Saberhagen cut fastball.

Many groups (even those who came before MTV, such as The Cars) loosely fit within what common music listeners came to understand to be... NEW WAVE music.

Around that time, I certainly would have considered The Cars to be new wave.

Fair enough, call them New Wave then. My take is that they were almost certainly the first of that wave, or at least the most listenable (thus popular) and like I said, that genre had no definition at the time. They broke new ground and I'm still not sure you can compare any band with what they did, no matter what genre you call it by.

Again, maybe Cheap Trick.

Surely not The Police, who peaked at Roxanne, or The Knack, who peaked with My Sharona. Both great songs, btw.

[War Wagon]

somebody mentioned Procol Harem?





but nobody mentioned Jefferson Airplane/Starship? For shame, 1967 was a really good year.

[poptart]

From MTV's own website...

http://www.mtv.com/artists/the-cars/

The Cars

Hometown: Boston, MA
Genre: New Wave
Started: 1976




The Cars were a staple of early MTV.

[War Wagon]

dude, which part of The Cars having recorded their best music way before MTV was a gleam in Viacom's eye don't you get? I blame MTV for inducing ZZ Top to record Sharp Dressed Man, thus ruining their well earned reputation.

If MTV were alive today, they'd play something like Mumford & Sons.

[poptart]

I'd rather see him explain how he equated The Cars with the MTV generation.

I don't see how anyone in their right mind would not equate The Cars with the MTV generation.

Truman didn't say that MTV launched The Cars, but just that they were a fixture in MTV's early years.



Spray, the point is that MTV categorizes The Cars as New Wave.

And as I pointed out to Schmick earlier, when he balked at The Cars as New Wave...


New wave first circulated as a rock music genre in the early 1970s, used by critics like Nick Kent and Dave Marsh to classify such New York-based groups as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls.
New wave music is an umbrella term for several late-1970s to mid-1980s pop/rock styles with ties to 1970s punk rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_wave_music

[poptart]

Now that is an interesting point.

Along those lines, WHO actually started rap?

What do you think?

[BSmack]

The Cars wrote the book on New Wave. There might have been a few that may have been doinking with it prior, but THEY are the ones who took it where it went. Ya - I reckon NW had a few punk tie-ins, but it's actually kind of funny that most folks (like Schmick) are too dumb to realize that the WHO started punk with "My Generation".

What Schmick fails to understand is that New Wave is a sound, not a geographical location. Early Cars records were absolutely New Wave, just as early INXS records or, dare I even say, early U2 records. None of these groups were from Great Britain.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Dropkick Murphys

The next time I'm at a bar and some brotastic douchebag plays that god awful ear cancer, I'm going to rape his mother and make him watch. Nothing makes me want to drown babies, bring them back to life, and then drown them again, quite like the Dropkick Murphys.

[Jay in Phoenix]

The Police, who peaked at Roxanne, or The Knack, who peaked with My Sharona. Both great songs, btw.

I disagree with both of these calls Wags. Less so with The Police, however "Synchronicity" is a great album, as is "Ghost in the Machine".

As to The Knack, they actually got better as they matured. Doug Fieger and Berton Averre improved as songwriters as they went along. Don't believe it? Just listen to "Serious Fun" or even better, "Zoom". They had moved into a more pop sound by this point, but they could still rock. If you happen to check out these discs, make sure to find the versions with the bonus tracks. The song, "A Prayer" is a gorgeous song, spiritual and heartfelt. "Rocket of Love" is classic Knack rock and "One Day at a Time" is perfect pop.

"Zoom" features such great pop songs such as "Can I Borrow a Kiss" and "Pop is Dead", great upbeat material. And the very pretty "You Gotta Be There" has one of Fiegers best vocal performances. I would argue in fact that there simply isn't a bad Knack album in their sadly small repertoire.

[Mikey]

If My Sharona was a "peak" I'd hate to know what the valleys looked like.



You guys are probably big fans of Tommy Roe as well?

[Smackie Chan]

You guys are probably big fans of Tommy Roe as well?

The Beatles were the opening act for Tommy Roe during Roe's British tour in 1963. Roe, was, of course, upstaged.

[Smackie Chan]

The Knack

I saw them in your neck o' the woods around the time that "My Sharona" & "Good Girls Don't" were getting massive airplay. I've never seen The Beatles, but that concert was as close to what I imagine a Beatles concert was like as far as the reaction of the teenage girls goes. The little girls were going apeshit, and getting into the venue was an exercise in avoiding getting trampled. Certainly not what I was expecting. The concert wasn't half-bad, either. A bit too pop for my tastes, but still somewhat entertaining.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Nothing makes me want to drown babies, bring them back to life, and then drown them again, quite like the Dropkick Murphys.

That's because you've never heard their good stuff, like:

"Drinking and Fighting"

...or...

"We're Gonna Drink and Fight"

...or...

"In A Drinking and Fighting Mood"

...and who could ever forget...

"Drink Fight Fight Fight Drink"

[Jay in Phoenix]

The Knack

I saw them in your neck o' the woods around the time that "My Sharona" & "Good Girls Don't" were getting massive airplay. I've never seen The Beatles, but that concert was as close to what I imagine a Beatles concert was like as far as the reaction of the teenage girls goes. The little girls were going apeshit, and getting into the venue was an exercise in avoiding getting trampled. Certainly not what I was expecting. The concert wasn't half-bad, either. A bit too pop for my tastes, but still somewhat entertaining.

That sounds about right Smackie. The early Knack concerts were fairly "Beatlesque" with the teeny bopper adulation. The thing with the Knack, like other similar artists, is the pop sound, which I'm a huge fan of. Obviously my tastes go all over the board, but when pop is at its best, like for instance with The Rubinoos, it can be a pretty cool thing. That is, if you like that sort of sound.

I do and don't make any apologies for it.

[Dinsdale]

Some folk doth protest too much.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Fucking awful.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Fucking awful.

That's being kind.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I know, but I figured I already blew my wad with mom rape and baby killing.

[War Wagon]

Mikey,

My Sharona has one of the best guitar solo's ever.

And now, time to change the subject.

[kcdave]

I actually like the Murphys, but damn, all you need to do is listen to a few songs. After that, it all sounds the same.

Yeah, rock music isn't dead, one's desire to seek it out is dead. Plenty of great stuff out there, in all genres, if you're willing to look past your FM radio dial. It's been a long time since "good music" coincided with "popular music." Which I think is both good and bad.

But heartland tards like kcdave want everything spoon-fed. When he gets off the expressway, he wants all his dining options within a half mile radius with big brightly displayed roadside logos guiding him. There's probably a delicious mom and pop joint scattered somewhere in that mess, but why bother to look? You may not have enjoyed the meal that you settled for, but hey, at least you didn't exert any effort in the search.

Dude, I am sure there are still new blue grass, big band swing, gospel, folk, opera, philharmonic, and whatever out dated forms of music that you can mention being made out there. It doesn't mean its not passed its time, and becoming less meaningful by the day. Pop, rap, and country rule the airwaves right now. There is still some rock out there, but less and less every year. And no, sorry, I am not looking past my AM/FM dial. If there is "Good" new rock music out there, it will find its way to the radio.

[BSmack]

^^^^^^

Utter rubbish. Most of the good music from the 70s doesn't even make it to the radio on stations that PLAY NOTHING BUT 70S MUSIC. Ever hear any UFO lately? Ever hear a Thin Lizzy song not title "The Boys Are Back in Town?". Radio suck, give your years something new Dave.

[kcdave]

B, while you are a huge UFO fan, I am not, and I am not referring to any band in particular. I am not talking about what you may like in particular or what I may like. I am speaking to the rock genre as a whole. Rock in all of its forms, hard, punk, alternative, etc. once was king. Now, not so much.

[campinfool]

Dropkick Murphys suck ass. I guess they are being passed off as belonging in some sort of punk genre, but of all the shitty music I own, I would never subject my turntable to that rubbish. I've heard them before and quite frankly thought they were a joke band.

[BSmack]

B, while you are a huge UFO fan, I am not, and I am not referring to any band in particular. I am not talking about what you may like in particular or what I may like. I am speaking to the rock genre as a whole. Rock in all of its forms, hard, punk, alternative, etc. once was king. Now, not so much.

Since you love talking about radio, here in Rochester there are ZERO rap stations. None. One plays a mix of rap and other R&B, soul flavored music and another plays top 40. There are two country radio station. Both play the same mix of watered down rock/country Nashville crap. Meanwhile there are two Alternative rock stations, 2 modern rock and 2 classic rock stations.

You tripping bro?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

If there is "Good" new rock music out there, it will find its way to the radio.

Unfortunately, no, it won't. The best bands are not on the radio because they won't conform to what radio wants. In short, you're a fucking dumbass.

[War Wagon]

^^^ True enuff, no other reason to explain why I'd never heard one song from BTS until chat/radio.

Which begs the question, how much other great music is out there that I've never heard because it doesn't quite fit in with some radio station's program director's playlist?

Probably a lot.

[Derron]

Fair enough, call them New Wave then. My take is that they were almost certainly the first of that wave, or at least the most listenable (thus popular) and like I said, that genre had no definition at the time. They broke new ground and I'm still not sure you can compare any band with what they did, no matter what genre you call it by.

The Cars defined this for sure. Brought a whole new listening group to New Wave or what ever the fuck you want to call it. I brought the Cars first album to our garage band jam one night. Now all we pretty much rolled was Southern Rock at the time. We jammed for a while, then hit a few rips and beers, and I put the album on. A couple of the guys were like " What the fuck is that shit ? " A couple of others said give it a chance.

Listened to the whole album and most thought it was OK. The album got passed around and guys were ripping tapes and shit of it. Now it did not change the type of music that band played, but as musicians we certainly felt it was better than a lot of shit around in those days.

[Derron]

Now that is an interesting point.

Along those lines, WHO actually started rap?

What do you think?

Seems like Tom Petty had the groove on a type of rap going way back when.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

[poptart]

It goes back before Tom Petty.


Blondie - Rapture.






I think rap goes back before her, to sometime in the early '70s, but this song was a mainstream "rap" hit.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Pretty sure that "Rapture" is commonly regarded as the first "rap" to go somewhere.

Uhh, ever heard of Rapper's Delight?

[War Wagon]

I could've happily died not ever having seen anybody trying to cover Stairway in that manner.

I hate you Jsc, almost as much as I hate seeing the survivors applaud that abortion.

I'll die not so happily now.