NFL's best safety?

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:18 pm

And it's not even close.*

*said with Troy Polamalu, Roy Williams and Brian Dawkins fully in mind

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sat May 06, 2006 7:55 pm

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Sat May 06, 2006 8:12 pm

...Harrison in his day..Reed presently

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:04 pm

We'll see how Harrison recovers from his injury, but no safety in league makes the opposing receivers shit their pants more than Harrison.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:08 pm

Hapday wrote:We'll see how Harrison recovers from his injury, but no safety in league makes the opposing receivers shit their pants more than Harrison.

A few years ago maybe (dawkins has the same rep btw). Reed has been filling that role for the past few though.

RedHerring · Post by **RedHerring** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:08 am

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:51 am

In about 2 or 3 years we'll be including Michael Huff in this discussion.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:56 am

Hapday wrote:We'll see how Harrison recovers from his injury, but no safety in league makes the opposing receivers shit their pants more than Harrison.

God damn, I hate homers. Effing hate 'em. Seems the Patsie homers are the worst to boot.

I understand Polamalu is top 5, even top 3, but I'm not such a homeristic pussy that I'd call him the best when there's the likes of Ed Reed hanging out there. Get an effing clue, hap.

A.C. Crut · Post by **A.C. Crut** » Sun May 07, 2006 2:44 pm

Ed Reed, Bob Sanders, Polamalu, Roy Williams...all great free and strong safeties.

In his prime this guy caused many cases of alligator arms and can still bring it (pro bowl last year), here he is kickin' it old skool creamsicle style.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sun May 07, 2006 3:29 pm

Ken wrote:
Hapday wrote:We'll see how Harrison recovers from his injury, but no safety in league makes the opposing receivers shit their pants more than Harrison.
God damn, I hate homers. Effing hate 'em. Seems the Patsie homers are the worst to boot.

I understand Polamalu is top 5, even top 3, but I'm not such a homeristic pussy that I'd call him the best when there's the likes of Ed Reed hanging out there. Get an effing clue, hap.

If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.

RockyMountainWayz · Post by **RockyMountainWayz** » Sun May 07, 2006 4:31 pm

NOW!

THEN (Before he was a Raiduh)

RockyMountainWayz · Post by **RockyMountainWayz** » Sun May 07, 2006 4:33 pm

REED!

LOTT!

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Sun May 07, 2006 4:41 pm

RockyMountainWayz wrote:REED!

LOTT!

Lott had a fantastic year for the Raiders his first year. Remember he was past his prime but still mamanged to have a solid year.

BTW nice job with those images.

RockyMountainWayz · Post by **RockyMountainWayz** » Sun May 07, 2006 4:51 pm

Lott DESTROYED guys that would come up the middle!

Reed providing he stays healthy (tough for a hard hitting safety) will be the man.

I hope these images post!!! I am still learning...Damn newbie!

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun May 07, 2006 5:59 pm

Hapday wrote:If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.

Oh, I'm sorry... I musta misread the thread title.

Dontcha have to have a basic understanding of the thread first? You're clearly a fucking idiot that can't be reasoned with. On that count, I'll concede that it wasn't a homer pick.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sun May 07, 2006 6:38 pm

Ed Reed

Dawkins
Polamalu

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:13 pm

Cicero wrote:Ed Reed

Dawkins
Polamalu

Yep

(only because Dawkins is aging)

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Sun May 07, 2006 7:58 pm

Ken wrote:
Hapday wrote:If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.
Oh, I'm sorry... I musta misread the thread title.

Dontcha have to have a basic understanding of the thread first? You're clearly a fucking idiot that can't be reasoned with. On that count, I'll concede that it wasn't a homer pick.

Huh? I just stated the facts as to why I thought he was better than Reed, you come back "well he's not". Want to borrow my "clue" you seem to need it more than I do.

M2 · Post by M2 » Sun May 07, 2006 11:46 pm

I heard that the Pack are thinking about turning A.J. Hawk into a S.Safety...

I could be wrong tho.

m2

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:25 am

m2 wrote:I heard that the Pack are thinking about turning A.J. Hawk into a S.Safety...

That pic is heeee-larious.

BTW, Ed Reed in '04 = best safety the NFL has ever had, in any era, ever.

As for all-timers, here's a stud (just ask Chief/Nigerian Nightmare fan):

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:06 am

m2 wrote:I heard that the Pack are thinking about turning A.J. Hawk into a S.Safety...

I could be wrong tho.

m2

Oh snap!

My pick: Troy Polamalu

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:27 pm

My only reservation w/Polamalu is that he still gets caught out of position a bit too much. His rookie year, it was a larger problem, but he has improved, and most likely will continue to do so seeing as how he is a very smart player. Right now, I'd go with Reed, but wouldn't be surprised if my answer would be Polamalu next year. But seeing as how those of us with a freaking clue (sup Hap) are talking about CURRENT safeties, I've gotta go with Reed.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Mon May 08, 2006 1:48 pm

Ken wrote:My only reservation w/Polamalu is that he still gets caught out of position a bit too much. His rookie year, it was a larger problem, but he has improved, and most likely will continue to do so seeing as how he is a very smart player. Right now, I'd go with Reed, but wouldn't be surprised if my answer would be Polamalu next year. But seeing as how those of us with a freaking clue (sup Hap) are talking about CURRENT safeties, I've gotta go with Reed.

^ Good analysis. Troy has all the ability in the world to be the best in the game but he either takes plays off or gets burned on key plays which knocks him down a notch or 2. But he is easily top 3-5.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:43 pm

Hapday wrote:If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.

So are you saying Harrison is the:

a) NFL's best safety of all time?
b) NFL's best safety right now?

I'll hang up and listen.

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:57 pm

Polamalu is amazing. Problem is, Ed Reed is even more amazing.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:57 pm

Red wrote:
Hapday wrote:If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.
So are you saying Harrison is the:

a) NFL's best safety of all time?
b) NFL's best safety right now?

I'll hang up and listen.

Harrison's ACL could outrun Polamalu and Reed itself. Dontcha know?

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:58 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
Ken wrote:My only reservation w/Polamalu is that he still gets caught out of position a bit too much. His rookie year, it was a larger problem, but he has improved, and most likely will continue to do so seeing as how he is a very smart player. Right now, I'd go with Reed, but wouldn't be surprised if my answer would be Polamalu next year. But seeing as how those of us with a freaking clue (sup Hap) are talking about CURRENT safeties, I've gotta go with Reed.

^ Good analysis. Troy has all the ability in the world to be the best in the game but he either takes plays off or gets burned on key plays which knocks him down a notch or 2. But he is easily top 3-5.

Not sure about the 'take plays off' part. Dude never stops... not sure where you ever heard that. But whatever. I think we agree on basis.

velocet · Post by **velocet** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:17 pm

All y'all crazy. Sean Taylor and Adam Archuleta, ranked #'s 1a and 1b in the NFL at safety.

myopiacet

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:50 pm

Despite his reputation as a dirty player. Yes Jack Tatum was a very good safety.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:05 pm

Red wrote:
Hapday wrote:If you don't want to include Harrison in because of his age that's one thing, but this isn't a "homer" pick.

Harrison is the NFL's all-time leader in sacks by a defensive back, is the only player in NFL history to record at least 25 sacks and at least 30 interceptions in his career, and for the past decade has recorded more tackles than any other defensive back in the NFL. He has six interceptions in his last six playoff games. He had four in the 2004 playoffs which is the third most since the 1970 merger.

I have an effing clue, but obviously you don't.
So are you saying Harrison is the:

a) NFL's best safety of all time?
b) NFL's best safety right now?

I'll hang up and listen.

If Harrison is able to play at the same level after his injury, I say Harrison right now. If he loses a step, all bets are off. Ken still hasn't proven anything, and I have a clue looking for a new owner.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:57 pm

Atwater and Lott were probably two of the hardest hitters, no doubt.....

that is fucking stone cold.........

RACK it

WhatsMyName · Post by **WhatsMyName** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:36 am

I've been a fan of Reed's since Miami.

Comparing Harrison to Reed is like comparing Shaq to Michael Jordan. Harrison is more intimidating, but he can't singlehandedly take over an entire football game like Reed. Reed has blocked several punts and returned them for TDs, so he's also a force on special teams, not just on D. I can't remember one punt he's blocked where he DIDN'T get the touchdown, and he's done this maybe 3 or 4 times in the NFL. Now teams just hold him.

What convinced me Reed might be the best ever were the 2 games vs. the Browns and the Jets. Against the Browns, his interception was the longest in NFL history (106 yards?) and it won the game in the closing the seconds. The very next week vs. the Jets, he breaks his own record, except Will Demps made some boneheaded block in the back that took it away. Seriously, that's just sick. The Jets were about to go up 24-0 if they score, but Reed's INT helped make it 17-7 and the Ravens came from behind to win because of it. He also stripped Mark Brunell in mid-throw, scooped it and scored to narrow the score to 14-7 vs. the Skins and they end up winning that game too. Against Seattle the Ravens trailed 17 in the 4th but Reed blocked the first punt and scored to start a 4th quarter rally to win. He's the GOAT.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:46 am

What's the definition of a homer?

When asked who's the best safety in the NFL, one who suggests a player from their home team who hasn't taken a meaningful snap in a year rather than the other 31 who have, let alone pro bowlers.

Fucking shit-sucking homer is what you are, hap. Anyone in their right mind would admit to it. Take your 'take' over to the Pat's NFL team board where I'm sure it will be much more welcomed. At this residence, shit-takes like yours, sink like a ghetto dick into your mother's fungus hole.

Fucking homer.

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:00 am

WhatsMyName wrote:I've been a fan of Reed's since Miami.

Comparing Harrison to Reed is like comparing Shaq to Michael Jordan. Harrison is more intimidating, but he can't singlehandedly take over an entire football game like Reed. Reed has blocked several punts and returned them for TDs, so he's also a force on special teams, not just on D. I can't remember one punt he's blocked where he DIDN'T get the touchdown, and he's done this maybe 3 or 4 times in the NFL. Now teams just hold him.

What convinced me Reed might be the best ever were the 2 games vs. the Browns and the Jets. Against the Browns, his interception was the longest in NFL history (106 yards?) and it won the game in the closing the seconds. The very next week vs. the Jets, he breaks his own record, except Will Demps made some boneheaded block in the back that took it away. Seriously, that's just sick. The Jets were about to go up 24-0 if they score, but Reed's INT helped make it 17-7 and the Ravens came from behind to win because of it. He also stripped Mark Brunell in mid-throw, scooped it and scored to narrow the score to 14-7 vs. the Skins and they end up winning that game too. Against Seattle the Ravens trailed 17 in the 4th but Reed blocked the first punt and scored to start a 4th quarter rally to win. He's the GOAT.

Great points in defense of Reed. See Ken, that is what you would call a counter point. You have demonstrated you have no fucking clue what you you are talking about. Please, post again and write "homer" just once more, it really helps your case.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:02 am

Because you fail to see your idiocy, you are even more of an idiot than I previously thought.

... which is saying quite a lot.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed May 10, 2006 2:25 am

Solid topic, ghost… er, “WhatsMy_kName”… :roll: :wink:

No dispute: Ed Reed is simply the best. But Troy Palumalu is the position’s heir apparent. Not unlike Antonio Gates is to T-Gon in the tight end department.

As for Honorable Mention for the best NFL safety ever… Loved the homer-pick, ‘cause it’s hard to argue with Steve Atwater – but I will. Gotta admit, the “Cat” is one of my all-time “favorite” HeeHaws, just behind the venerable old warhorse, Karl Mecklenburg.

I remember watching the Cat play at Arkansas – dude killed everybody. I would’ve loved to have seen my Chiefs draft him, but they decided on an outside linebacker from Alabama that year who wound up being fairly decent in his own right.

Don’t get me wrong: The Cat had a nice 11-year career. Eight pro-bowls. 818 tackles. 24 interceptions. Nine fumble recoveries. Not to mention two Superbowl appearances. And of course, his infamous MNF hit on the Big Mon.

That said, however…

Derron Cherry was better.

DC signed with the Chiefs as an undrafted, free-agent punter back in 1981. All he managed to do over his 11-year career was to earn six pro-bowl berths, while compiling 927 tackles, 50 interceptions, and 15 fumble recoveries. All this accomplished on a team that made exactly two lousy playoff appearances during his career.

Oh, and as for memorable “hits”: Just ask RaiduhFan about the lick that a hobbled DC put on Bo Jackson at the goal line to force a fumble and preserve a Chiefs victory at Arrowhead back in ’90….

War #20

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:08 pm

velocet wrote:All y'all crazy. Sean Taylor and Adam Archuleta, ranked #'s 1a and 1b in the NFL at safety.

myopiacet

taylor is a bad, bad man. check out the vids...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=67040727

Hapday · Post by **Hapday** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:20 pm

Ken wrote:Because you fail to see your idiocy, you are even more of an idiot than I previously thought.

... which is saying quite a lot.

Still looking for that clue Ken? Damn Fedex!