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The New York Times
August 14, 2005
Someone Tell the President the War Is Over
By FRANK RICH

LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?

A president can't stay the course when his own citizens (let alone his own allies) won't stay with him. The approval rate for Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last weekend's Newsweek poll - a match for the 32 percent that approved L.B.J.'s handling of Vietnam in early March 1968. (The two presidents' overall approval ratings have also converged: 41 percent for Johnson then, 42 percent for Bush now.) On March 31, 1968, as L.B.J.'s ratings plummeted further, he announced he wouldn't seek re-election, commencing our long extrication from that quagmire.

But our current Texas president has even outdone his predecessor; Mr. Bush has lost not only the country but also his army. Neither bonuses nor fudged standards nor the faking of high school diplomas has solved the recruitment shortfall. Now Jake Tapper of ABC News reports that the armed forces are so eager for bodies they will flout "don't ask, don't tell" and hang on to gay soldiers who tell, even if they tell the press.

The president's cable cadre is in disarray as well. At Fox News Bill O'Reilly is trashing Donald Rumsfeld for his incompetence, and Ann Coulter is chiding Mr. O'Reilly for being a defeatist. In an emblematic gesture akin to waving a white flag, Robert Novak walked off a CNN set and possibly out of a job rather than answer questions about his role in smearing the man who helped expose the administration's prewar inflation of Saddam W.M.D.'s. (On this sinking ship, it's hard to know which rat to root for.)

As if the right-wing pundit crackup isn't unsettling enough, Mr. Bush's top war strategists, starting with Mr. Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard Myers, have of late tried to rebrand the war in Iraq as what the defense secretary calls "a global struggle against violent extremism." A struggle is what you have with your landlord. When the war's über-managers start using euphemisms for a conflict this lethal, it's a clear sign that the battle to keep the Iraq war afloat with the American public is lost.

That battle crashed past the tipping point this month in Ohio. There's historical symmetry in that. It was in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, that Mr. Bush gave the fateful address that sped Congressional ratification of the war just days later. The speech was a miasma of self-delusion, half-truths and hype. The president said that "we know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade," an exaggeration based on evidence that the Senate Intelligence Committee would later find far from conclusive. He said that Saddam "could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year" were he able to secure "an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball." Our own National Intelligence Estimate of Oct. 1 quoted State Department findings that claims of Iraqi pursuit of uranium in Africa were "highly dubious."

It was on these false premises - that Iraq was both a collaborator on 9/11 and about to inflict mushroom clouds on America - that honorable and brave young Americans were sent off to fight. Among them were the 19 marine reservists from a single suburban Cleveland battalion slaughtered in just three days at the start of this month. As they perished, another Ohio marine reservist who had served in Iraq came close to winning a Congressional election in southern Ohio. Paul Hackett, a Democrat who called the president a "chicken hawk," received 48 percent of the vote in exactly the kind of bedrock conservative Ohio district that decided the 2004 election for Mr. Bush.

These are the tea leaves that all Republicans, not just Chuck Hagel, are reading now. Newt Gingrich called the Hackett near-victory "a wake-up call." The resolutely pro-war New York Post editorial page begged Mr. Bush (to no avail) to "show some leadership" by showing up in Ohio to salute the fallen and their families. A Bush loyalist, Senator George Allen of Virginia, instructed the president to meet with Cindy Sheehan, the mother camping out in Crawford, as "a matter of courtesy and decency." Or, to translate his Washingtonese, as a matter of politics. Only someone as adrift from reality as Mr. Bush would need to be told that a vacationing president can't win a standoff with a grief-stricken parent commandeering TV cameras and the blogosphere 24/7.

Such political imperatives are rapidly bringing about the war's end. That's inevitable for a war of choice, not necessity, that was conceived in politics from the start. Iraq was a Bush administration idée fixe before there was a 9/11. Within hours of that horrible trauma, according to Richard Clarke's "Against All Enemies," Mr. Rumsfeld was proposing Iraq as a battlefield, not because the enemy that attacked America was there, but because it offered "better targets" than the shadowy terrorist redoubts of Afghanistan. It was easier to take out Saddam - and burnish Mr. Bush's credentials as a slam-dunk "war president," suitable for a "Top Gun" victory jig - than to shut down Al Qaeda and smoke out its leader "dead or alive."

But just as politics are a bad motive for choosing a war, so they can be a doomed engine for running a war. In an interview with Tim Russert early last year, Mr. Bush said, "The thing about the Vietnam War that troubles me, as I look back, was it was a political war," adding that the "essential" lesson he learned from Vietnam was to not have "politicians making military decisions." But by then Mr. Bush had disastrously ignored that very lesson; he had let Mr. Rumsfeld publicly rebuke the Army's chief of staff, Eric Shinseki, after the general dared tell the truth: that several hundred thousand troops would be required to secure Iraq. To this day it's our failure to provide that security that has turned the country into the terrorist haven it hadn't been before 9/11 - "the central front in the war on terror," as Mr. Bush keeps reminding us, as if that might make us forget he's the one who recklessly created it.

The endgame for American involvement in Iraq will be of a piece with the rest of this sorry history. "It makes no sense for the commander in chief to put out a timetable" for withdrawal, Mr. Bush declared on the same day that 14 of those Ohio troops were killed by a roadside bomb in Haditha. But even as he spoke, the war's actual commander, Gen. George Casey, had already publicly set a timetable for "some fairly substantial reductions" to start next spring. Officially this calendar is tied to the next round of Iraqi elections, but it's quite another election this administration has in mind. The priority now is less to save Jessica Lynch (or Iraqi democracy) than to save Rick Santorum and every other endangered Republican facing voters in November 2006.

Nothing that happens on the ground in Iraq can turn around the fate of this war in America: not a shotgun constitution rushed to meet an arbitrary deadline, not another Iraqi election, not higher terrorist body counts, not another battle for Falluja (where insurgents may again regroup, The Los Angeles Times reported last week). A citizenry that was asked to accept tax cuts, not sacrifice, at the war's inception is hardly in the mood to start sacrificing now. There will be neither the volunteers nor the money required to field the wholesale additional American troops that might bolster the security situation in Iraq.

WHAT lies ahead now in Iraq instead is not victory, which Mr. Bush has never clearly defined anyway, but an exit (or triage) strategy that may echo Johnson's March 1968 plan for retreat from Vietnam: some kind of negotiations (in this case, with Sunni elements of the insurgency), followed by more inflated claims about the readiness of the local troops-in-training, whom we'll then throw to the wolves. Such an outcome may lead to even greater disaster, but this administration long ago squandered the credibility needed to make the difficult case that more human and financial resources might prevent Iraq from continuing its descent into civil war and its devolution into jihad central.

Thus the president's claim on Thursday that "no decision has been made yet" about withdrawing troops from Iraq can be taken exactly as seriously as the vice president's preceding fantasy that the insurgency is in its "last throes." The country has already made the decision for Mr. Bush. We're outta there. Now comes the hard task of identifying the leaders who can pick up the pieces of the fiasco that has made us more vulnerable, not less, to the terrorists who struck us four years ago next month.
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Practically everyone but Bu$h Corp knew (most of them even tried warning those morons) what happen's when folks bite off more then they can chew.
Seeing Bu$h Corp choke on it's gross stupidity would be most gratifying if it were not for the over-played blind obedient saps whose lives have and are being sacraficed up just to keep the de$pots poli alive.

It's just too freakin Sad.
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Excellent. The media is what truly dictates policy, governs the people, and decides when wars begin and end.

RACK That Article and RACK the New York Times for setting us all straight.

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The approval rate for Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last weekend's Newsweek poll
If they'd only ask the informed, rather than including cubicle-dwelling chatty Cathys, who get their opinions force-fed to them by the NYT and the like, those numbers would be closer to 50-50.
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Variable wrote:If they'd only ask the informed, rather than including cubicle-dwelling chatty Cathys, who get their opinions force-fed to them by the OCR and the like, those numbers would be closer to 50-50.
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socal wrote:
Variable wrote:If they'd only ask the informed, rather than including cubicle-dwelling chatty Cathys, who get their opinions force-fed to them by the OCR and the like, those numbers would be closer to 50-50.
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Word. To be fair, that also includes those force-fed their opinion by Rush, Michael Savage and whoever else is fellating Bush this week.

Also, I'd put a little more creedence in these surveys when they start sampling a pool of people that's at least six figures. Like we can accept the word of ~2000 people on freaking anything, either way. Those surveys are so subjective because of who they ask the questions, that they really are borderline pointless.
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Variable wrote:...Michael Savage and whoever else is fellating Bush this week.
:?

Savage routinely goes after Bush and other talk show hosts who tout the White House line.
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Errr...is it Michael Reagan I was thinking of? I know there's another show like that.
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Variable wrote:Errr...is it Michael Reagan I was thinking of? I know there's another show like that.

Probably Sean Hannity.
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If Hannity is ever burned beyond recognition they could use Bush's nuts for dental records.
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Trouble is that major polling companies have pretty much benchmarked slightly more than 1,000 people as representative of the country, so that 2,000 is (I guess) a lock?

To be fair all sides suffer the same polling fate, so unless you can prove the polling organizations are slanted one way or another by WHO they poll, it's a wash.

Dude has got to be struggling to find a way to make this war palatable to Americans

because the reality is that no matter what we try to do over there, we will always run into the same unmovable object - the various factions who can't even agree on what the country should be called, or how much influence their individually warped interpretation of their religion should play within the structure of government
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Trouble is that major polling companies have pretty much benchmarked slightly more than 1,000 people as representative of the country, so that 2,000 is (I guess) a lock?
Of course they've benchmarked it. It allows them to sample a smaller group (thus reducing overhead) before announcing a result. No conflict of interest there...
To be fair all sides suffer the same polling fate, so unless you can prove the polling organizations are slanted one way or another by WHO they poll, it's a wash.
I pretty much already stated exactly that.
Dude has got to be struggling to find a way to make this war palatable to Americans
Either that or they're changing the name because people shredded the "war on terror" slogan.
...because the reality is that no matter what we try to do over there, we will always run into the same unmovable object - the various factions who can't even agree on what the country should be called, or how much influence their individually warped interpretation of their religion should play within the structure of government:
In a word..."duh." If the US gov't were suddenly deposed by who or whatever, do you think the 50 states would come together harmoniously to draft a new consitution and government? NY'ers and east coasters would want more say because they think the country revolves around them, and CA residents would argue the same thing because we're the 10th (or whatever it is today) largest economy in the world.

People whine. It's in their nature. Some are just bitchier about it than others. :D The object of the Iraqi Consitutional Convention (for lack of a better term) is to try to get those speaking common sense to either outlast or win over the fringe whiners. Go read up on the US Consitutional Convention and check out some of the wacky shit Americans wanted put in our consitution.

James Madison wanted the Bill of Rights omitted.

Women did not have the right to vote.

Only rich, white, landowners could vote.

Etc.
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Variable wrote: Women did not have the right to vote.

Only rich, white, landowners could vote.
That's the way it should be.

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"Only rich, white, landowners could vote."

Isn't that the way it is ? Being that I just purchased my first home, I am looking forward to voting for the first time in the upcoming elections.
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Variable wrote:
Trouble is that major polling companies have pretty much benchmarked slightly more than 1,000 people as representative of the country, so that 2,000 is (I guess) a lock?
Of course they've benchmarked it. It allows them to sample a smaller group (thus reducing overhead) before announcing a result. No conflict of interest there...
Yet really - how representative of 280- million pe0ple can 1,200 possibly be?
Dude has got to be struggling to find a way to make this war palatable to Americans
Either that or they're changing the name because people shredded the "war on terror" slogan.
No, I think they're trying a new marketing scheme intended to really sell the Iraqi war. How about "New And Improved", or "Now with 10% less dying"? :cool:
...because the reality is that no matter what we try to do over there, we will always run into the same unmovable object - the various factions who can't even agree on what the country should be called, or how much influence their individually warped interpretation of their religion should play within the structure of government:
In a word..."duh." If the US gov't were suddenly deposed by who or whatever, do you think the 50 states would come together harmoniously to draft a new consitution and government? NY'ers and east coasters would want more say because they think the country revolves around them, and CA residents would argue the same thing because we're the 10th (or whatever it is today) largest economy in the world.

People whine. It's in their nature. Some are just bitchier about it than others. :D The object of the Iraqi Consitutional Convention (for lack of a better term) is to try to get those speaking common sense to either outlast or win over the fringe whiners. Go read up on the US Consitutional Convention and check out some of the wacky shit Americans wanted put in our consitution.

James Madison wanted the Bill of Rights omitted.

Women did not have the right to vote.

Only rich, white, landowners could vote.

Etc.
All well and good, but civil war did not hang in the balance in the US back then as it does in Iraq, and the length of our continued military presence there is highly dependent on the outcome.
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Gotta admit, I kinda like the founding fathers' logic on that one:

If you aren't hardworking enough, smart enough or financially responsible enough to own a house as an adult, do we really want you choosing our leaders?

Rack the FF on that one.
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Not sure I'm with you all the way on the ownership thing, but also rack the FF for the representation of the lesser populated states. They knew right off that major population centers would grab on in a representative gov and left in senatorial representation in equal measures. The more I live life and see the way things work in our country, the more I appreciate our FF.

Very innovative folks, they were. (Pardon the Yoda grammar :))
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Can some one tell the NY Times...the war is over when we have
Victory.We still have a shit load of terrorist killing left to do.Plus
its almost time for Iran's ass kicking.So many terrorist to kill
and so little time.
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