Holy fuck - the D's and the R's finally did something right!

[Left Seater]

I can support that for sure. The lack of time changing.

[LTS TRN 2]

Anyone remember when Nixon issued an executive order to this effect back when the towel heads shut down their pumps? It was a fiasco.

DST is completely artificial--just like calling a man a woman.

[Smackie Chan]

DST is completely artificial

But standard time is as natural as mother's milk.

[Kierland]

Well it’s closer to high noon at noon, which is what they should have picked if they are going to change it. Bipartisan and they still fucked it up.

[LTS TRN 2]

DST is completely artificial

But standard time is as natural as mother's milk.

Yes the solar system determines an accurate measure of the earth's revolving about the sun while rotating on its axis. But what, you're questioning something? What are you saying about standard time?

[Smackie Chan]

the solar system determines an accurate measure of the earth's revolving about the sun while rotating on its axis.

You truly are a cretin. The solar system "determines" nothing of the sort; it simply does what it does. Man uses what the solar system does to create measurements of time. Hence, ALL time measurements, including the determinations of what standard time is and where the boundaries are drawn separating time zones, are arbitrary and therefore "artificial." You do realize that China, which spans five geographical "time zones," uses only one - Chinese Standard Time. Is that artificial, or did the solar system determine that?

But what, you're questioning something?

Just your lucidity. Which is my bad, since your lack of it has long been "determined."

What are you saying about standard time?

It is no less artificial than DST.

[Smackie Chan]

Well it’s closer to high noon at noon, which is what they should have picked if they are going to change it.

In what locations and on what days?

[Wolfman]

We could use a single time zone, Zulu Time (GreenwichMeanTime) like the military. I guess it's just that regular folks have their biological clocks which use sunrise and sunset as guide posts.

[Kierland]

Well it’s closer to high noon at noon, which is what they should have picked if they are going to change it.

In what locations and on what days?

More than if you use DST.

[Mikey]

the solar system determines an accurate measure of the earth's revolving about the sun while rotating on its axis.

You truly are a cretin. The solar system "determines" nothing of the sort; it simply does what it does. Man uses what the solar system does to create measurements of time. Hence, ALL time measurements, including the determinations of what standard time is and where the boundaries are drawn separating time zones, are arbitrary and therefore "artificial." You do realize that China, which spans five geographical "time zones," uses only one - Chinese Standard Time. Is that artificial, or did the solar system determine that?

But what, you're questioning something?

Just your lucidity. Which is my bad, since your lack of it has long been "determined."

What are you saying about standard time?

It is no less artificial than DST.

San Francisco and Las Vegas are both in the same time zone, yet "high noon" in San Francisco is quite a bit different by the clock than in Las Vegas.
Boise, Idaho is actually slightly west of Las Vegas and yet they are an hour different if you go by the time zones.

Once I retire "completely" I won't be setting my alarm anymore, so DST or standard time won't make much difference except for appointments, etc. Network TV schedules don't mean shit anymore either because we mostly stream whatever the fuck we're watching.

Time Zones were originally created by the railroads so that they could run on a schedule. Didn't matter at all to anybody else at the time.

[Mikey]

Ever hear of a "regulator" clock?

https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworkin ... ator-clock

Regulators were first developed in England around 1720. Typical clocks of the day were only accurate to within about 5 minutes per week. But regulators, such as the one shown at right, powered by a weighted and geared mechanism, could be accurate to within 10 seconds per month when properly adjusted. These clocks were initially used in observatories and clock and watch shops as the standard of accuracy during repairs, synchronization, and manufacturing.

By the mid-19th century, regulators were being mass-produced with high accuracy in Vienna, Austria. And near the end of that century, the American version of these clocks began to be produced in mass quantity with equal accuracy. The majority of these clocks kept time only, however, without any bells or chimes.

Regulators gained prominence in America in the late 1800s as the time standard in railroad stations of every town. Railroad employees would synchronize their pocket watches to these regulator clocks several times a day. This helped to reduce the number of train collisions.

I actually have one of these regulators in my house, made by Seth Thomas in 1884. It looks like a big grandfather clock but it doesn't have any chimes. Just a weighted pendulum, and another weight on a chain that drives the movement. Needs to be wound about once a week. You adjust the speed of the clock by moving the pendulum weight up or down to speed or slow the period of its swing.

[Kierland]

Learn something new everyday.

I always had a sundial when I had a house, it’s what the plants and chickens use and they run the farm.

[Smackie Chan]

San Francisco and Las Vegas are both in the same time zone, yet "high noon" in San Francisco is quite a bit different by the clock than in Las Vegas.

Exactly, and high noon will vary time-wise depending on the day of the year. [Note that all time references in the previous sentence (noon, day, year) are man-made units/descriptions based on astronomic actions.] My point in asking the question to Kierland was, if you're going to use high noon as a benchmark to determine standard time, when (what day) and where are you going to base it on? Regardless of the answer, it's all arbitrary and therefore artificial.

[Kierland]

It is mostly artificial as it is possible to have a solar cock that has 12 noon at high noon everyday for where that clock is. Now you would only have four 24 hr days a year that way, but my comment stands. More people have (area has) 12noon closer to high noon if they would have picked Standard time.

[Smackie Chan]

it is possible to have a solar cock that has 12 noon at high noon everyday for where that clock is.

Right, that would be the most "accurate" time at any given point on Earth based on the sun's position, but it's highly impractical.

Now you would only have four 24 hr days a year that way, but my comment stands. More people have (area has) 12noon closer to high noon if they would have picked Standard time.

No argument, since I have no idea if it's true, if anyone has ever measured, or if anyone cares.

[Kierland]

Just by definition it’s true, and all the people that want it lighter earlier in the morning as opposed to darker later care. So millions of people.

[Smackie Chan]

Just by definition it’s true, and all the people that want it lighter earlier in the morning as opposed to darker later care. So millions of people.

You're arguing a different issue. Yeah, people care about that hour. I was saying that no one cares if more people's noon is closer to high noon. All they care about is how it is where they live.

[Biggie]

Zulu Time

Rack.

[Kierland]

Just by definition it’s true, and all the people that want it lighter earlier in the morning as opposed to darker later care. So millions of people.

You're arguing a different issue. Yeah, people care about that hour. I was saying that no one cares if more people's noon is closer to high noon. All they care about is how it is where they live.

Yes people are selfish, but a policy still needs to be made and this is worse than all Standard time because it has few wild swings.

[BSmack]

DST is bullshit. People revolted against year round DST in 74 when Tricky Dick tried it as a way to cut energy consumption. Within a year they changed back. What good is a 5:30 sunset on Christmas if your children are walk to the bus in pitch dark weather? Standard time year round would make more sense.


Sent from my iPhone using a big network of tubes.

[Left Seater]

Why not let states make their own choice? Walking to a bus stop in the dark isn’t an issue in Texas.

If you want more daylight in winter, move south.

[Kierland]

Because everyone can just move where they want. You really are a selfish, myopic POS.

[Screw_Michigan]

Because everyone can just move where they want. You really are a selfish, myopic POS.

Left Behinder basically nailed it. This savings time changing nonsense is really a political battle between northern and southern states. Daylight savings benefits northern locales because they get less sunlight, shorter days, and later sunrises. Southern states do not, so why would they give a fuck?

As someone from the northwest portion of the Eastern Time Zone, daylight savings is great. Having 9 pm sunsets in West Michigan in the 90s was awesome. It's much better to have children waiting for buses in daylight too.

[Kierland]

88naziss loves this kind of post.

[Carson]

Back when the US tried 365 days of DST in the 70s, school kids getting hit by cars during the dark mornings was one of the main reasons for going back to a split year.

[Screw_Michigan]

Weird. I don't know of a single person down here where I live that prefers standard time over what we have now. Everybody wants it this way. Personally, it wouldn't KILL me if they left it the other way - just as long as they'd quit fucking with it.

Yeah, that's my point, halfwit. You don't care. It really doesn't affect your life either way. It does for people in northern locales and those in the NW portions of time zones.

[Kierland]

The DST gripe tool.

https://observablehq.com/@awoodruff/day ... stant-tool

[Kierland]

Because it was a dumb idea, just like when your parents decided to have you.

[Kierland]

You have never been afraid to be wrong multiple times a day.

[Screw_Michigan]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5988 ... e-in-house

And now it appears they’re going to fuck this up.

Our government sucks shit.

Good on the House. Fuck the Senate.

[Screw_Michigan]

I'm more than happy with the way thing are right now. You are such a snowflake.

[Mikey]

I’d rather have standard time but don’t give much of a rat’s ass. Just get rid of the time change.

[Left Seater]

^^^^^^^^^

2nd.

[Screw_Michigan]

What if we simply turned our clocks back 30 minutes?

[Kierland]

Took a great pic few months back of the sun setting on the Snake River, so again Shedick is full of shit.

[Softball Bat]

I’d rather have standard time but don’t give much of a rat’s ass. Just get rid of the time change.

I want the time change to continue, so we can have a "change your clocks" thread up on this board two times a year.

:)

[Mikey]

I’d rather have standard time but don’t give much of a rat’s ass. Just get rid of the time change.

I want the time change to continue, so we can have a "change your clocks" thread up on this board two times a year.

:)

Yeah I see what you mean. We do need an occasional break from Dems suck and Republicans suck.

[Mikey]

The only thing I like about DST is that it works to my advantage on our utility time of use rates.

Starting in June our peak rate (which lasts from 4:00 pm until 9:00 pm) will jump from $0.42/kWh to $0.66/kWh. The thing about DST is that it gives me an extra hour of solar production, which they pay me the full on-peak rate for. The extra hour is actually at the beginning of the period and not the end (what used to be 3 pm - 4 pm will become 4 pm - 5 pm) when the sun is higher. I make money from March through August (very little heating except in early March and not much AC until at least August) to offset winter when we don't get so much sun.

(it's complicated)

[Left Seater]

At the end of the day it is always about the pocketbook.

[Mikey]

At the end of the day it is always about the pocketbook.

Not sure how you got that from my post. Yeah it works a little in my favor financially and I know how to take advantage of it, so I’d be a fool not to. But I always would prefer Standard Time anyway. I’m in the habit of getting up at 5:00 am year round to walk 2 miles with the OL before starting work at 7:00. So DST pushes that back to 4:00 am. Fuck that. Thing is I’m down to working three days a week, two of them from home. As of April 1 I’ll be 100% out to pasture and living on whatever schedule I damn well please. Hence not giving much of a rat’s ass which way they go, or even if they keep the time change.

Being a “morning person,” but not a get up in the middle of the fucking night person, I just think permanent DST is stupid.