Top Five and Bottom Five

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:55 pm

1. Indy -- Clearly the best in the NFL

2. Cincy -- Not really tested yet, but playing well

3. Tampa Bay -- Same as above

4. Denver -- Could have an awesome D

5. Philly -- McNabb just shut T.O. the fuck up about the SB

28. Tennessee -- No D to speak of

29. Baltimore -- Fucking suck

30. NY Jets -- Tough break with injuries

31. Houston -- They are done

32. Green Bay -- Horrible

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:23 pm

I think you should replace one of your bottom 5 teams with the Niners .

They REALLY suck .

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:36 am

Top 5

1. Indy - Super Bowl favorite after 4 weeks
2. Cincy - will drop with the injuries Sunday
3. Tampa - Best of the NFC so far
4. Washington - They're undefeated
5. Pittsburgh - a tough 5th over Denver

Bottom 5

28. San Francisco - If I see Tim Rattay I will fight him
29. Jets - Every team has injuries
30. Minnesota - Mike Tice has fucked this team up
31. Green Bay - Really bad on both sides of the ball
32. Houston - will be lucky to score 120 pts. this season

atomicdad · Post by **atomicdad** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:15 am

Kutter and Scott I got 100 bones that the Bolts will finish better than the Bengals. PM me and we will work out the details.

Rushville · Post by **Rushville** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:34 pm

1.) San Diego - Blew away the Patirots in giving them their first home loss in 2.5 years.
2.) Indianapolis - I'm still waiting for the Pittsburgh and New England games
3.) Cincinnati - I'm still waiting for the Indianapolis game
4.) Pittsburgh - Don't really have a good feel for them yet. B_ you tell me.
5.)3-way tie between Tampa Bay, Philadelphia and Atlanta - The only serious contenders in the NFC.

28.) Chicago
29.) Detroit
30.) Minnesota
31.) Green Bay
32.) San Francisco

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:39 pm

atomicdad wrote:Kutter and Scott I got 100 bones that the Bolts will finish better than the Bengals. PM me and we will work out the details.

No way I can put a 2-2 team ahead of anybody in my top five, right now. If SD beats PIT this week I guarantee the Bolts crack the list.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:39 pm

KC Scott wrote:Top 5

1. Indy - Super Bowl favorite after 4 weeks
2. Cincy - will drop with the injuries Sunday
3. Tampa - Best of the NFC so far
4. Washington - They're undefeated
5. Pittsburgh - a tough 5th over Denver

I laughed.

How you managed to exclude Atl and Philly is beyond me. Both teams are a far better team than Washington. It isn't even close.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:01 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
KC Scott wrote:Top 5

1. Indy - Super Bowl favorite after 4 weeks
2. Cincy - will drop with the injuries Sunday
3. Tampa - Best of the NFC so far
4. Washington - They're undefeated
5. Pittsburgh - a tough 5th over Denver

I laughed.

How you managed to exclude Atl and Philly is beyond me. Both teams are a far better team than Washington. It isn't even close.

i would put philly ahead of the skins.

not so fast on atlanta- yes, they beat your eagles in week 1. since then, they have beaten 2 bad teams and lost to seattle....whom the skins just beat.

Red · Post by **Red** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:16 pm

1. Indy
2. Cincy
3. Pittsburgh
4. Tampa
5. Philly

28. Detroit
29. Baltimore
30. San Fran
31. Minny-soda
32. Houston

KUTTER · Post by **KUTTER** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:19 pm

mvscal wrote:
KUTTER wrote:No way I can put a 2-2 team ahead of anybody in my top five, right now.
Yeah..they've just scored 86 points in two weeks and blew out the Patriots at home.

We'll have to wait until they show something...right?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah, you're right, those 2 losses don't matter. :roll: :roll: :roll:

trev · Post by **trev** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:20 pm

Rack Cincy for being out of the cellar, but who have they beat?

Bears, Browns, Queens, Texans.

:roll:

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:15 pm

mvscal wrote:
KUTTER wrote:No way I can put a 2-2 team ahead of anybody in my top five, right now.
Yeah..they've just scored 86 points in two weeks and blew out the Patriots at home.

We'll have to wait until they show something...right?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The ability to beat the Cowboys would be a start.

Red · Post by **Red** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:17 pm

trev wrote:Rack Cincy for being out of the cellar, but who have they beat?

Bears, Browns, Queens, Texans.

:roll:

They've beaten (ouch!) everyone they have played.

Let me guess, you're in the camp that says a .500 team belongs near the top of the list.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:59 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote: Yeah..they've just scored 86 points in two weeks and blew out the Patriots at home.

We'll have to wait until they show something...right?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
The ability to beat the Cowboys would be a start.
How about the ability to blowout the team that kicked your ass?

What about it. So far all they've show is that they are very inconsistient and can lose to bad teams just as easily as they can beat good teams. They're like the Giants.

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:28 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
KC Scott wrote:Top 5

1. Indy - Super Bowl favorite after 4 weeks
2. Cincy - will drop with the injuries Sunday
3. Tampa - Best of the NFC so far
4. Washington - They're undefeated
5. Pittsburgh - a tough 5th over Denver

I laughed.

How you managed to exclude Atl and Philly is beyond me. Both teams are a far better team than Washington. It isn't even close.

Have you heard of great defense? The Redskins have it and the Iggles don't at this point.

Top 5:

1. Colts - looks like great D to go with their great O
2. Bucs - that great D is back
3. Broncos - looks like they have a great D
4. Redskins - yes they're 3-0 by 6 points, but great D
5. Giants - most points in the league

Bottom 5:

28. Packers
29. Queens
30. Tardinals
31. Whiners
32. Texans

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:34 pm

mvscal wrote:
KUTTER wrote:No way I can put a 2-2 team ahead of anybody in my top five, right now.
Yeah..they've just scored 86 points in two weeks and blew out the Patriots at home.

We'll have to wait until they show something...right?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yeah on Sunday they had the same defense they had last year.

sincerely,

Romeo Crennel
Rodney Harrison
Ty Law
Tedy Bruschi
Ted Johnson
no they didn't
one game doesn't make a season

Remember the Bills beating the Pats 31-0 on opening day a few years ago?

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:11 pm

Jeff 2K5 wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
KC Scott wrote:Top 5

1. Indy - Super Bowl favorite after 4 weeks
2. Cincy - will drop with the injuries Sunday
3. Tampa - Best of the NFC so far
4. Washington - They're undefeated
5. Pittsburgh - a tough 5th over Denver

I laughed.

How you managed to exclude Atl and Philly is beyond me. Both teams are a far better team than Washington. It isn't even close.
Have you heard of great defense? The Redskins have it and the Iggles don't at this point.

A great defense does not let a team score 14 points in the 2nd half and almost steal the game like the Seahawsk almost did.. A great defense makes adjustments and holds a team like the chiefs out of the endzone from the end of the 1st quarter to almost the end of the 4th quarter so the offense can get them back in the game.

I also laugh that you have the Giants listed in your top 5.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:26 pm

jiminphilly wrote: A great defense does not let a team score 14 points in the 2nd half and almost steal the game like the Seahawsk almost did.. A great defense makes adjustments and holds a team like the chiefs out of the endzone from the end of the 1st quarter to almost the end of the 4th quarter so the offense can get them back in the game.

true, the skins D let the hawks drive late in the game. inexcusable, as the O kept the D off the field for most of the game.

but the 2nd ranked O in the league scored 17 total points, which is what the eagles gave up in less than 16 minutes sunday. your eagles D also gave up a late TD with less than 2 minutes to go to get within 6. not great.

fyi- the skins havent allowed a 100 yard rusher in 8 consecutive games. nothing against the eagles D, but the skins is pretty damn good.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:58 pm

I am basing my rankings on:

W/L record
What I've seen of the teams
Strength of schedule

The first criteria being W/L - The Skins are ahead of the Iggles.

Doesn't mean they will be after they lose to Denver Sunday, but it does mean they are there for week 4.

See You Next Wednesday · Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:59 pm

Tampa Bay is top 10 but not Top 5. They beat the Packers and the Lions...barely...and the VIkings and the Bills. I'll take the Colts, the Bolts, The Eagles, The Giants, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Falcons (if Vick is healthy) ahead of TB. So I guess that would make them about 8.

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:03 pm

KC Scott wrote:I am basing my rankings on:

W/L record
What I've seen of the teams
Strength of schedule

The first criteria being W/L - The Skins are ahead of the Iggles.

Doesn't mean they will be after they lose to Denver Sunday, but it does mean they are there for week 4.

good point about strength of schedule. not gloating, but the skins have beaten better teams in 3 games than the other 3 undefeated teams have in 4.

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:23 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Tampa Bay is top 10 but not Top 5. They beat the Packers and the Lions...barely...and the VIkings and the Bills. I'll take the Colts, the Bolts, The Eagles, The Giants, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Falcons (if Vick is healthy) ahead of TB. So I guess that would make them about 8.

The Bolts ahead of Tampa? Yeah 2-2 is really impressive at this point. :roll:

And you say Tampa hasn't beaten anyone, take a look at who the Bungals have beaten and get back to me.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:36 pm

jeff: I agree. I'll take any win in this NFL we have today. There is so much parity that any win is a good win. 4-0 is 4-0. AND, that Bucs defense is playing strong. I'll always take a strong defense over a strong offense(see Rams, Chefs, Indy).

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:10 am

T REX wrote: I'll always take a strong defense over a strong offense(see Rams, Chefs, Indy).

Looks like the Colts have both now.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:25 am

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:
mvscal wrote: Yeah..they've just scored 86 points in two weeks and blew out the Patriots at home.

We'll have to wait until they show something...right?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
The ability to beat the Cowboys would be a start.
How about the ability to blowout the team that kicked your ass?

Anyhoo, you fuckos better start reco'nizin' the A T L and their A F C defense.

1. Denver
2. Indy
3. Atl
4. San D.
5. Pitt or Cincy or T. B. or who really gives a fuck after the top 4?

Bottom?

ditto to number 5

Second time today reading this board that I can see Lombardi turning in his grave. Now, if you would have called it the chase for Reggie Bush...I STILL would call the bottom 5 a pussy approach.

See You Next Wednesday · Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:59 am

Jeff 2K5 wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:Tampa Bay is top 10 but not Top 5. They beat the Packers and the Lions...barely...and the VIkings and the Bills. I'll take the Colts, the Bolts, The Eagles, The Giants, the Bengals, the Steelers, the Falcons (if Vick is healthy) ahead of TB. So I guess that would make them about 8.
The Bolts ahead of Tampa? Yeah 2-2 is really impressive at this point. :roll:

And you say Tampa hasn't beaten anyone, take a look at who the Bungals have beaten and get back to me.

Well I just think all those teams could beat the Bolts. I suppose if rankings like these should be based only on records then there wouldn't be much point to them.

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:05 am

Anyone with Washington in their top 5 is an absolute moron when it comes to football.

1- Indianapolis
2- Philadelphia
3- San Diego
4- Cincinnati
5- Atlanta

Jeff 2K5 · Post by **Jeff 2K5** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:46 am

Shine wrote:Anyone with Washington in their top 5 is an absolute moron when it comes to football.

1- Indianapolis
2- Philadelphia
3- San Diego
4- Cincinnati
5- Atlanta

Anyone with the Bolts in their top 3 is an even bigger moron. :roll:

What a surprise to see you put your Bengals in the top 5, yeah wins against the Bears, Brownies, Queens and Texans (perhaps the 4 worst teams in the league) are verrrrrry impressive. :roll:

Why the bitterness against the Skins Shine? It's oozing through your computer. :?

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:02 am

Jeff

(Bears, Browns, vi'Queens and Houston)

4 worst Teams in the League?

how's come one of those Teams is a Division Leader and how's come TWO of those teams are on nobody's List so far?

LUCKY for you that the BROWNS and Bears play this week.

praying for a 6-3 overtime THRILLER much?

Let alone that we are starting Week 5!

WTF????? are WE the BCS?????

Kee-rist and CHRIST!!!--->football rankings shouldn't happen 'til its COLD outside.

C'mon....this Thread should go to TrOtS just because i'm an Angry Bastard that stands on the principle of common sense!

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:17 am

KC Scott wrote:I am basing my rankings on:

W/L record
What I've seen of the teams
Strength of schedule

The first criteria being W/L - The Skins are ahead of the Iggles.

Doesn't mean they will be after they lose to Denver Sunday, but it does mean they are there for week 4.

So why is Washington in that group again? Of there 3 wins, 2 are against the Bears and Cowboys.

You saw the Iggles come back from 18 down against perhaps the best home team next to the Patriots on the planet and thats not good enough for you?

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:29 pm

Jeff 2K5 wrote:

What a surprise to see you put your Bengals in the top 5, yeah wins against the Bears, Brownies, Queens and Texans (perhaps the 4 worst teams in the league) are verrrrrry impressive. :roll:

Yeah- b/c the Skins three wins against Chicago, Dallas & Seattle have been just as impressive....

G.O. · Post by **G.O.** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:32 pm

BBMarley wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:

What a surprise to see you put your Bengals in the top 5, yeah wins against the Bears, Brownies, Queens and Texans (perhaps the 4 worst teams in the league) are verrrrrry impressive. :roll:

Yeah- b/c the Skins three wins against Chicago, Dallas & Seattle have been just as impressive....

c'mon, BB! those latter 2 are light years better than the browns, vikes and texans. esp the hawks.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:05 pm

G.O. wrote:
BBMarley wrote:
Jeff 2K5 wrote:

What a surprise to see you put your Bengals in the top 5, yeah wins against the Bears, Brownies, Queens and Texans (perhaps the 4 worst teams in the league) are verrrrrry impressive. :roll:

Yeah- b/c the Skins three wins against Chicago, Dallas & Seattle have been just as impressive....
c'mon, BB! those latter 2 are light years better than the browns, vikes and texans. esp the hawks.

Seattle I will give you- but not Dallas....

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:42 pm

We'll see what tune you sing on Monday.

Have you watched a Cowboys game this year? They've been competetive in every game with chances to win all 4.

No slight to the Skins or Raiders. They got the job done, but it wasn't an easy win for either team.

BBMarley · Post by **BBMarley** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:56 pm

Headhunter wrote:We'll see what tune you sing on Monday.

Have you watched a Cowboys game this year? They've been competetive in every game with chances to win all 4.

No slight to the Skins or Raiders. They got the job done, but it wasn't an easy win for either team.

I've watched their secondary blow alot of coverages in both games I watched (San Diego & Washington). Your QB is a statue- if a team pressures him- he will get knocked out or throw some INT's... Your secondary is very suspect... That being said- Julius Jones is a stud! Your running game is set for a long time with him. Now- if you could just get a QB.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:05 pm

Bledsoe's thrown 3 picks in 4 games. Not too shabby. Long term, if the Cowboys can find another Aikman, We'll be set. Bledsoe needs to learn Whitten's number and not forget it!

As far as the secondary, they're still missing Woodson... A lot! Roy should bulk up a bit and move to LB. He couldn't cover my grandma. Keith Davis is young and learning. They'll step it up as the season progresses. I stand by my prediction that they end up a top 5 defense by years end.

Red · Post by **Red** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:12 pm

Headhunter wrote:Bledsoe needs to learn Whitten's number and not forget it!

And 'pokefan might want to learn the guy's name.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:18 pm

Ok, so I tossed an 'H" in there. Sue me.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:25 pm

Headhunter wrote:No slight to the Skins or Raiders. They got the job done, but it wasn't an easy win for either team.

It's true.

Dallas could very easily be 4-0 right now. I think they're a pretty good team. They're well coached, and they've got a defense that ought to keep 'em in games all year. Unless they get hit hard with key injuries I see them as a playoff team.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:25 pm

Tampa OWNS the ATL so I won't worry about Vick. TB shuts him down....hell, they break him on occasion.