Mueller Report--it's that bad

[Truman]

Simple question, Simpleton: So how, exactly, was justice obstructed when no crime had been committed? Take your time...

From Congressman (& former prosecutor) Ted Lieu:

http://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1118891719330631680

Fresh out of credible sources, are you?

Are you linking the SAME Ted Lieu that dishonestly tried to cast Candace Owens as a white nationalist and Hitler sympathizer, and got his lyin' slant-ass handed to him? THAT Ted Lieu?

[Truman]

That line of reasoning is preposterous, Truman.

What if someone obstructs so well that their crime cannot be seen (or proven)?


Of course someone can be guilty of obstruction even though there is not a charge for another crime.

Donald obstructed over and over because he knew that his behavior was totally out of line, if not completely illegal.

Actually, it isn't, 'tart.

You, the other Always TDSers, and the Demmunists keep screaming illegal activity, yet seem to be a bit short on on proof. Maybe Congress should spend another $35M for another 2 year investigation, and tell Mueller not to come back until they get the results they want.

If Trump had actually obstructed justice, why didn't Mueller actually say so in his report? Has it occurred to you that you might trying to prove a negative?

[Softball Bat]

If Trump had actually obstructed justice, why didn't Mueller actually say so in his report?

The House Judiciary Committee wants Mueller to come in and testify next month.

You'll get your answer then.



Better question is, why in the world do you continue to back this embarrassing blot on the nation?

[Screw_Michigan]

Are you linking the SAME Ted Lieu that dishonestly tried to cast Candace Owens as a white nationalist and Hitler sympathizer, and got his lyin' slant-ass handed to him? THAT Ted Lieu?

She is a Hitler sympathizer, that is painfully obvious. She's also a world class opportunist and a piss dribbling moron but that just seems to bolster her GOP credentials.

[Carson]

Piss dribbling moron?

Pot, meet kettle.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Am I really supposed to listen to 18 more minutes of this guy?

If you made it to this point...

"...and the only collusion was him and Israel."

...you've heard all you need to know.

[Diego in Seattle]

So the Mueller report says Russia started meddling in 2014. Why didn’t our government know about this or attempt to stop it? This is before The Orange One was a serious candidate. Where was the Obama admin while the Russians were meddling?

They tried to take some action, but Mitch was looking for a payout.

WTF happened to being able to post pictures here?

So the previous administration was incompetent? That’s what you are going with? Same as yourself and posting photos?

It's not a matter of competence when Turtle McFuckface blocks senators from voting on the bill.

And I had no problem posting pics before the recent board update. 88 screwed something up.

[Kierland]

88 is being a good little nazi.

[Left Seater]

It's not a matter of competence when Turtle McFuckface blocks senators from voting on the bill.

Never mind the President’s staff telling their direct reports to stand down on this issue.

[FiatLux]

I went surfing today .

What did you tards do today ?

Oh, yeah. You cried on a message board about how life sucks due to politics.


Too funny.

[Softball Bat]

Donald sure is gripping, crying, and lying a lot about a report that he claims "totally exonerates" him.





Despite the fact that the Mueller Report should not have been authorized in the first place & was written
as nastily as possible by 13 (18) Angry Democrats who were true Trump Haters, including highly conflicted
Bob Mueller himself, the end result is No Collusion, No Obstruction!

- Donald (4/20/19)



Liar liar pants on fire.



1. Mueller didn't say there was no collusion. In fact, the report shows page-after-page-after-page of Trump and his team colluding with Russia. Mueller did not charge Donald with criminal conspiracy.

2. Mueller didn't say there was no obstruction. In fact, he plainly wrote that if he was able to clear Donald of obstruction he would have stated that in the report. He left it an open question and punted it over to congress to handle.

3. The Mueller Report notes that there remains, what, 12 ongoing criminal investigations?

4. Is there anything Donald (king of fake news) doesn't lie about?

[Softball Bat]

Mueller said there was no such thing in the law as collusion, and thus there could not possibly be anything in the report that shows page after page of Trump and his team colluding with Russia.

1. Did I say there is something in the law about collusion?

Nope.


Collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose


Don's colluding with a foreign power, while perhaps not illegal, was deceitful to America.
It is completely unacceptable.



2. If there is no such thing in the law as collusion, why are W. Barr and Donald waving "NO COLLUSION" around like it is a trophy?

Oh...

Because they are trying to deceive the brain-dead FAUX NEWS trailer park crowd.

Don DID collude.

No doubt about it.

If Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice for publicly declaring that the Mueller investigation was a "witch hunt", why didn't Her go to prison for publicly characterizing the Starr investigation

omg...

Hillary?

Seriously?

LMAO!


Is Don's crying about "witch hunt" the only instance of possible obstruction on his part?

Are you on dope??

Dude, the report is LOADED with episodes of Don obstructing, or trying to obstruct, only to have people refuse to carry out his deranged orders.

The Mueller Report notes that there remains, what, 12 ongoing criminal investigations?

I'm not sure what you are using for news, but what you state above is incorrect.

Mueller probe spawned 14 other investigations, including two unidentified cases that remain ongoing

Two investigations transferred by the special counsel’s office to other Justice Department prosecutors remain
ongoing and were not identified, the report stated.

Mueller’s office also referred 12 other unidentified matters to others in which it found evidence of potential
criminal activity outside its jurisdiction.

The latter dozen come in addition to prosecutions of two known referrals by Mueller, involving Michael Cohen,
Trump’s personal attorney, and Gregory B. Craig, a former Obama administration White House counsel who
worked with Paul Manafort with Ukraine clients, the report stated in an appendix.

Information about two transferred cases was redacted, but prosecutors with the U.S. attorney’s office for the
District have confirmed one is a continuing grand jury investigation in connection with a foreign state-owned
mystery company that refused to comply with a Mueller subpoena.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... STIGATIONS


Mmmm hmmm...



You are a hack.

Straight up.

[Kierland]

88 is really a fucking POS. Keep your eye on the ball dumfuck. Address what the red menace did. Plenty of people get stuck in all kinds of situations you whining fucking snowflake. Even if Don the Con was a saint and got put in a shit situation thru no fault of his own (obviously that is not true) what he did in response would make a sane person throw him off a bridge not drop to their knees. You are either stupid or evil personified.

[Softball Bat]

88 is really a fucking POS. Keep your eye on the ball dumfuck. Address what the red menace did. Plenty of people get stuck in all kinds of situations you whining fucking snowflake. Even if Don the Con was a saint and got put in a shit situation thru no fault of his own (obviously that is not true) what he did in response would make a sane person throw him off a bridge not drop to their knees. You are either stupid or evil personified.

Yep.


.088 is trying to pretend that he is impartially reading the report -- and then he'll give his ASSessment of it.

He's a liar.

He's already shown that he is incapable of objectivity.

It isn't possible to come away from that report and not conclude that Donald is a deceitful POS who has NO BUSINESS holding the highest office in the land.

Yet .088 comes in and immediately starts chirping about Hillary, "the entire weight of the U.S. government was unleashed on Trump," (LOL), Obama, the DNC, and DNC supporters.

Nothing about Donald and his actions.




Even IF the "oranges" of the investigation was improper, Donald is STILL a total POS.

Wake the hell up, you desperate freak.

You hitched your wagon to a lying buffoon.

Deal with it.




#hack

[Screw_Michigan]

The criminal Trump cabal are parasites and the federal government is the host. That's just fine with Melty and other Trump kneepad wearers.

[Softball Bat]

Despite supposedly being "totally exonerated" by the Mueller Report, Donald continues to flop and flail about it.

LOL

Five tweets about it from the president today.




The Trump Haters and Angry Democrats who wrote the Mueller Report were devastated by the No Collusion
finding! Nothing but a total “hit job” which should never have been allowed to start in the first place!

- Don



1. Mueller is a republican, isn't he?

2. There was not a "no collusion" finding. He continues to lie about this.

3. It did start, Donald. Isn't it fun how everyone can see what a horrible POS you are? Suck it up. Melt on...

[Derron]

[Softball Bat]

The redacted report has only been out for 3 days, pinhead.

[Kierland]

Duhron is a good little nazi.

[Derron]

Duhron is a good little nazi.

And you have the worst smack that has every been posted on this shit hole. You are nothing more than annoying ankle biting little bitch.

[Rooster]

Put yourself in his shoes. He/you knows that he/you did not engage in any collusion, but is being treated in the press and by his adversaries as if it were an unassailable fact. What would be his/your natural reaction? Obviously you go the attack like Trump did and you begin to go about cleaning house in the FBI and DoJ, the two organizations that are propagating this message that he/you have unquestionably have colluded with Russia.

Then it turns out that your opponent actually paid the Russians for the bogus report that claims you colluded with them and she gets a pass from the media and your adversaries. That would infuriate you. And disincline you to cooperate with your accusers in any way.

Don’t get me wrong here, the Mueller report shows Trump to be a duplicitous liar, no question about that in my mind. And unless you are a blood relative, you are a useful goon worthy of sacrifice under the most tenuous circumstances. But you have to bear in mind that Obama had to have signed off on spying on the Trump campaign knowing that the evidence he used as the excuse to do so was the very thing that would be levied against the man who would succeed him in office. And with this report it is readily apparent that our nation’s intelligence services, our national police force, and our top law agency all conspired together to destroy Trump’s unexpected Presidency.

Trump was never supposed to win. I don’t think the man himself expected to win. And all those people working against him did not see a downside to helping the Clinton campaign in her dirty work because the Clintons were expected to reward those who facilitated her plans. Instead the voter had the final say in the matter and then every one of these people and agencies from Obama all the way down to Strzok had to do some emergency CYA. And that is where we have been ever since until today.

[Edit]. I’d like to point out that in support of my first sentence that Trump attempted to get his underlings to obstruct justice— to which and to their honor, they did not do. How you view this largely depends on your opinion of the man. I see it as a reflexive response by a president who lives on emotion and gut feelings, where he knows in his heart-of-hearts he did not collude with the Russians, but unerringly picks the invariably wrong reaction: he asks his subordinates to do something wrong. And when caught, lies as instinctively as you’d expect. This too impacts how you see this. We heard over and over that it was entirely understandable how Bill Clinton lied under oath about having an affair since that is a rather ordinary foible that many people can identify with.

My personal opinion is that Trump is a boorish boob, not some stable genius who plays 3 dimensional political chess. He shoots from the hip, and as those of us who handle firearms and are shooters, that is a terrible method when trying to be effective. He more often shoots himself in the foot, so to speak, by getting on Twitter and giving way to his Id and opening himself up to criticism. But what else would you expect from a guy who made a career out of reality television?

The only thing he gets right is that when given the opportunity he has chosen conservative Supreme Court justices. Beyond that, he has trouble getting out of his own way— which is too bad because what we have demonstrably seen is that our unelected leaders in the various agencies running our country are actively working for themselves and not for America’s citizens. These agencies and organizations desperately need to clean house.

[Kierland]

He said he is fucked cause he knows what he did. Anybody in the shoes of someone with nothing to hid would never say that. They would take it in stride and move on with business.

[Softball Bat]

If Trump had actually obstructed justice, why didn't Mueller actually say so in his report?

Mueller Report Volume 2, Page 1

Note the bolded parts.


We first describe the considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation, and then provide an overview of this Volume:

First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that “the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions” in violation of the constitutional separation of powers.”1 Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515; 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC’s legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.

Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted, it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President’s term is permissible. The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office. And if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at this time. Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available.

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

The concerns about the fairness of such a determination would be heightened in the case of a sitting President, where a federal prosecutor’s accusation of a crime, even in an internal report, could carry consequences that extend beyond the realm of criminal justice. OLC noted similar concerns about sealed indictments. Even if an indictment were sealed during the President’s term, OLC reasoned, “it would be very difficult to preserve [an indictment’s] secrecy,” and if an indictment became public, “[t]he stigma and opprobrium” could imperil the President’s ability to govern.” 6 Although a prosecutor’s internal report would not represent a formal public accusation akin to an indictment, the possibility of the report’s public disclosure and the absence of a neutral adjudicatory forum to review its findings counseled against potentially determining that the person’s conduct constitutes a federal offense.” Justice Manual & 9-27.220.

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ument.html




Mueller recognized the OLC's opinion that it is not permissible to indict a sitting president.

And he recognized other concerns, which are bolded.

Hence, the turned it over to congress, and left open the possibility that Donald can be prosecuted after he leaves office.

[Softball Bat]

Put yourself in his shoes. He/you knows that he/you did not engage in any collusion, but is being treated in the press and by his adversaries as if it were an unassailable fact.

He absolutely DID collude, Rooster.

It is a FACT.

Mueller did not believe that he could prove criminal conspiracy, so he did not charge it.

The "no collusion" meme put out by Donald, Barr, and Rudy is -----> BULLSHIT.
It is deliberate deception.

Donald colluded and obstructed.

I’d like to point out that in support of my first sentence that Trump attempted to get his underlings to obstruct justice— to which and to their honor, they did not do. How you view this largely depends on your opinion of the man. I see it as a reflexive response by a president who lives on emotion and gut feelings, where he knows in his heart-of-hearts he did not collude with the Russians, but unerringly picks the invariably wrong reaction: he asks his subordinates to do something wrong. And when caught, lies as instinctively as you’d expect.

You are making excuses for INEXCUSABLE behavior.

"Lives on emotion," gut feelings," "heart-of-hearts,"...

Good grief!

He's not a fucking child, he's the president of the United States.

[Goober McTuber]

He's not a fucking child, he's the president of the United States.

It appears that it's possible to be both.

[Screw_Michigan]

Put yourself in his shoes. He/you knows that he/you did not engage in any collusion

I stopped reading here.

[Softball Bat]

He's not a fucking child, he's the president of the United States.

It appears that it's possible to be both.

I stand corrected.

[Joe in PB]

I read CNN has taken a hit in the ratings with all their fake news, so now maybe more reasonable journalism?

Goober likely has every TV in his house tuned to CNN to offset the ratings drop.....


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[Rooster]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/19/opin ... ssion=true

Holy shit. CNN actually put this out there????????

Indeed. Perhaps Obama should be indicted for collusion with Russia for taking a purposely passive stance when he knew that they were actively working hard during his presidency to undermine our country’s election. It’s the electoral version of negligent homicide. “The ‘80’s called and want their foreign policy back.” It’s the same bullshit as the “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” only on the geo-political stage.

[Rooster]

Donald colluded and obstructed.

No, he didn’t collude— the report made that quite clear. As for obstruction, if he attempted to get underlings to engage in it, but couldn’t convince them to do so, therefore no obstruction occurred and your argument is he should be punished for the attempt, we could agree. But the cold reality is an impeachment on those grounds is not going to result in a sitting president being forced to leave office. If a former sitting president who objectively and demonstrably lied under oath could not be impeached, then there is no way our present president is going to be either, especially since his half hearted efforts to get his lacking to do his bidding were unsuccessful.

He’d have a good case to say he was just blustering once again in the presence of his aides and never truly wanted them to engage in obstruction any more than you want to kill your wife when you jokingly say it out loud. You and I may believe Trump would have been glad if they did work at obstructing, but since that didn’t happen, the grounds for legal action is very thin.

[Softball Bat]

No, he didn’t collude— the report made that quite clear.

collude: cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.


Donald was not charged with criminal conspiracy.

If you are telling us he didn't collude with Russia, I wonder what you're smoking.

[Softball Bat]

Perhaps Obama should be indicted for collusion with Russia

Donald pimped Barry Soetoro's fake birth certificate for a few years, and then one day when he was close to becoming president he rolled in and said, "Obama was born in Hawaii. The end."

Won't say another word about it.


ummm...


Wat?




Roll that around in your head for a good long while and see what conclusions you can draw.

[Rooster]

Yeah, I think we would both agree that Don was trolling there, but only after Hillary brought it up. It was a useful stalking horse for Trump while it lasted.

However, to the point of collusion, I believe we’ll have to disagree or split hairs as to what constitutes collusion. I don’t think that Trump is in Putin’s back pocket for no other reason than if he was, Trump could very well be the worst conspiracy partner Putin could have chummed around with. While I think that Trump admires Putin for the freedom to maneuver and grift as a head of state in a kleptocracy, Trump is old school when it comes to the new USSR.

[Softball Bat]

Yeah, I think we would both agree that Don was trolling there

[Rooster]

No? You think he was serious, do you?

[FiatLux]

[Softball Bat]

No? You think he was serious, do you?

He was "trolling" when he said Barry was born in Hawaii.

Donald has no balls.
He is an owned bitch, and he's been that for basically all of his adult life.

[Goober McTuber]

I read CNN has taken a hit in the ratings with all their fake news, so now maybe more reasonable journalism?

Goober likely has every TV in his house tuned to CNN to offset the ratings drop.....


Sent from my SM-N910V using Tardtalk

Uh, I almost never watch CNN, dumbfuck.

[Goober McTuber]

I copy and paste from a website. Just to keep you bitches informed.

[Softball Bat]

Shit you just can't make up...


Donald holds one of his 4 minute "press conferences" yelling out to the press from the White House driveway, and says, "We have been--I have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country, by far."

He says this while asserting that he will refuse to cooperate, and will fight all subpoenas from congress.

rotf...


He went on to say that he is "breaking down the swamp."




Yeah, sure looks that way.



Good times!