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The 57 most outlandish, outrageous and offensive lines from Trump's Michigan rally
Poor snowflakes at CNN got their panties in a wad again? Headline might as well read water is wet.
Or that 'Trump is a Colossal Moron'. That works too.
Well will you look at that. I did not even have to click on it and read it, since because it was you posting it we all knew that you had a good stream of CNN jizz running down your chin, and you were licking it off as you ran to your keyboard to post it.

I rather like you just posting the link, that way I can just ignore it versus having to scroll by your cut and paste on my way to something more readable.
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Hi, Dohron.
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., took aim at the recently installed GOP tax plan, telling The Economist in an interview published last week that American workers have yet to see a benefit from the reform package championed by President Donald Trump.

Enacted in late 2017, the Republican-backed overhaul cut the corporate tax rate to 21% from 35%. Proponents of the bill argued that lower tax rates would encourage companies to bring jobs back to America and raise wages and other benefits for employees.

Dozens of companies, including McDonald’s, Apple and Boeing, have given out one-time bonuses, raised minimum wages or added benefits for employees because of tax reform. But Rubio argued the tax cuts have not had a major positive impact on most workers.

“There is still a lot of thinking on the right that if big corporations are happy, they’re going to take the money they’re saving and reinvest it in American workers,” Rubio told the magazine. “In fact, they bought back shares, a few gave out bonuses; there’s no evidence whatsoever that the money’s been massively poured back into the American worker.”
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Marco can spin that Democratic message all he wants. But not sure how that helps him.
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What a fucking clown show. Right, Dohron?
President Trump, in his first statements since lawyer Rudy Giuliani revealed overnight that the president reimbursed attorney Michael Cohen for a hush-money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, said the money was meant to stop “false” allegations and stressed campaign funds played no role.

The president put out a three-part tweet about the $130,000 Cohen paid to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, to stay quiet in the weeks before the 2016 election about accusations of an affair.

“Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA,” Trump tweeted early Thursday.

“These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair,” Trump added.

Trump continued: “…despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll[sic] in this transaction.”

The president was referring to a letter written and signed by Daniels in January, stating “with complete clarity” that allegations of an affair with Trump were “absolutely false.” Daniels also wrote, at the time, that rumors that she received “hush money” from Trump were “completely false.”

Trump, however, also said last month that he didn’t know about the $130,000 payment.

But Giuliani revealed Wednesdsay night on Fox News' "Hannity" that Trump indeed made the reimbursement.

Giuliani, though, clarified Thursday on “Fox & Friends” that Trump “didn’t know the details of this until we knew the details of this” a couple weeks ago. He has said Trump thought it was to cover unspecified "expenses."

Giuliani stressed that this was a personal payment and disputed any suggestion that it was an unreported campaign contribution.

“[Cohen] was trying to help the family. … I think he was just being a good lawyer,” he said.

“That money was not campaign money,” Giuliani also said on "Hannity" “It’s not campaign money. No campaign finance violation.”

Giuliani, who recently joined Trump's legal team, added that the money was “funneled” through a “law firm and the president repaid it.”

Whether that argument holds up remains to be seen. A candidate is allowed to contribute an unlimited amount to his or her campaign. However, contributions are supposed to be officially reported.

If the payments were wholly personal, said Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the University of California, Irvine, there would be no campaign finance violations.

But Giuliani's argument that the payment was unrelated to the campaign could well be challenged. If it's considered a campaign-related expense, the onus may have been on the president or his campaign to report it as a loan.

"The greatest significance is that it implicates the president, directly," Hasen told the Associated Press.

Daniels’ attorney, Michael Avenatti, said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Thursday morning that if it’s “true” that Trump reimbursed Cohen, it’s a “crime” with “serious consequences.”

Cohen previously has said the money he paid to Daniels came out of his own pocket. Both Trump's and Giuliani's statements now seem to contradict Cohen's account.

Cohen is currently under criminal investigation as part of a grand jury probe looking into his personal business dealings.
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Paul Krugman thinks the Republican tax law is failing to stimulate economic growth as promised.

"We should be seeing an investment boom or at least some indications of a planned increased investment," the Nobel Prize-winning economist told CNN correspondent Paula Newton on "Quest Means Business" on Wednesday. "We're just not seeing that."

In terms of business investment, Krugman said, it "looks like the tax cut is a nothing burger."

Republicans promised last year that lowering the corporate tax rate would encourage companies to invest more in new factories and equipment, which would create jobs and boost the economy.

But so far, many companies have used the money to reward shareholders.

One recent example is Apple (AAPL), which announced Tuesday that it will spend $100 billion more on stock buybacks. The company spent $22.8 billion buying back its own stock in the first three months of this year.

US companies have plowed more than $246 billion into stock buybacks this year, according to the research firm Birinyi Associates. That's up 31% from the same point last year. Cisco (CSCO) and Wells Fargo (WFC) alone have announced plans to repurchase more than $20 billion of stock each.

Krugman said he's "surprised at how little effect we're seeing on corporate spending."

Krugman, who is also a columnist for The New York Times, added that he was always skeptical that the new tax law would trigger the economic benefits touted by some lawmakers. But the results so far, he said, are "worse than the pessimists expected."

Wall Street usually loves buybacks because they provide persistent demand for stocks while inflating earnings per share. But Goldman Sachs (GS) expressed skepticism last week about companies focused on returning vast amounts of cash through buybacks and dividends instead of investing.
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You guys are throwing some real haymakers today.
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You'd do well to stay out of the line of fire, buddy.
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Just a drive-by observation. I'd never presume to get between two heavyweights like you and Spray.
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And stock buy backs are bad for the investor and the worker how exactly?
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Left Seater wrote:the investor and the worker?
You do realize that these are two different groups that don't necessarily have the same priorities, right?
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Sure. So you can explain seperately how it is bad for the investor and also how it is bad for the employee.
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Who made that claim?
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Mikey wrote:Who made that claim?
Goobs posted a story implying the tax cuts did nothing but lead to stock buy backs. I asked how that was bad for investors or employees. This isn’t hard to follow along.
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One of Wall Street's favorite tools could be deepening the growing chasm between America's rich and poor.

Since 2008, companies in the United States have spent a stunning $5.1 trillion to buy back their own stock, according to Birinyi Associates. Shareholders love buybacks, because they boost stock prices by making shares scarcer.

Buybacks have exploded in 2018 thanks to windfall from the Republican tax law. American companies including Wells Fargo (WFC) and Cisco (CSCO) have showered Wall Street with $214 billion of stock buyback announcements so far this year, according to research firm TrimTabs.

But critics argue Corporate America's fascination with stock buybacks has come at a real cost to American workers. Instead of focusing on short-term rewards for shareholders, they say companies should make long-term investments by retraining workers, ramping up benefits and boosting wages.

"Stock buybacks have been a prime mode of both concentrating income among the richest households and eroding middle-class employment opportunities," said William Lazonick, a professor at the University of Massachusetts Lowell who has studied the impact of stock buybacks.

Between 2007 and 2016, companies in the S&P 500 spent 54% of their profits on stock buybacks, Lazonick says.

During that time, capital spending on job-creating items like new plants has languished. Some companies have even taken on extra debt to pay for their stock buyback habit.

"Buybacks have a negative impact on inequality and on the economy," former Labor Secretary Robert Reich told CNNMoney.

By eliminating shares, buybacks inflate a critical measure of profitability: earnings per share. It's a financial engineering trick. Companies can appear more profitable even if their profits aren't growing.

Buybacks are "smoke and mirrors," Yale professor Robert Shiller told CNNMoney.

More than 40% of total EPS growth between 2009 and mid-2017 is from share repurchases, according to estimates by Christopher Cole, who runs a hedge fund called Artemis Capital Management.

"Buybacks are not resulting in jobs or new factories. They are not benefiting the middle class," said Cole.

A rising stock market can help many Americans by increasing the value of retirement plans and providing a boost of confidence in the overall economy.

About 52% of families owned stocks directly or indirectly through retirement plans like 401(k)s in 2016, according to the Federal Reserve.

But the rich benefit more than the rest of the country. That's because the top 10% of households owned 84% of all stocks in 2016, according to NYU professor Edward Wolff.

"The gains go disproportionately to the top," Wolff said in an interview. Stock buybacks "will just exacerbate existing wealth inequality," he said.

The inequality problem has grown worse in America.

The top 1% of families earned a record-high 23.8% of overall income in 2016, the Fed estimates. The bottom 90% of families made less than half of the country's income, down from 60% in 1992.

Paychecks tell only part of the story. Including stocks and other assets, the richest 1% of families held a record-high 38.6% of the wealth in 2016, according to the Fed. That's nearly twice as much as the bottom 90%.

The good news is many companies have decided to share some of their tax windfall with workers, most notably through one-time bonuses paid out by Comcast (CMCSA), Disney (DIS), Bank of America (BAC) and dozens of others.

The White House estimates that 3 million workers have benefited from the one-time bonuses. That's real money that can boost the economy and help Americans pay down debt or save for a rainy day.

Other major companies, such as Walmart (WMT) and Wells Fargo, have raised wages for workers, a more lasting move that could help improve the income inequality. A handful of companies, including Boeing (BA), FedEx (FDX), Apple (AAPL) and JPMorgan Chase (JPM), have announced plans to invest more than 100% of their tax savings on workers, job creation and boosting local communities, according to JUST Capital, a nonprofit founded by Arianna Huffington, hedge fund billionaire Paul Tudor Jones and others.

Yet the money devoted to workers pales in comparison with the buyback bonanza.

So far just 6% of the corporate windfall from the tax cuts have gone to workers in the form of pay hikes, bonuses and other investments, according to an analysis by JUST Capital. That is even worse than the 13% that analysts polled by Morgan Stanley expect to go to workers.

Some think the focus on share buybacks is misplaced. They argue that the money ultimately belongs to shareholders -- and those shareholders include workers and retirees.

Everyone can agree that buybacks are a more productive use for extra cash then letting it sit in an overseas bank account where it earns virtually nothing. Buybacks free up capital that can then be used by shareholders to make investments that do create new jobs.

"I'm skeptical that businesses are leaving money on the table," said PNC chief economist Gus Faucher.

Buybacks also signal confidence in the business and the stock price. That confidence can translate to stronger and higher wages.

Although Faucher doesn't think buybacks are the "cause" of inequality, he concedes they are a "symptom" of an economy that has tilted more and more in favor of shareholders. He noted that corporate profits as a share of the overall economy have gone up significantly over the past three decades.

"The benefits of economic growth are going towards capital owners instead of workers," Faucher said.

Stock buybacks used to be a murky area, with many claiming they were a form of market manipulation. But the SEC ruled in 1982 that companies could repurchase vast amounts of their own stock.

Criticism of buybacks is building in the wake of the tax law. Senate Democrats published a report on Wednesday strongly criticizing the buyback boom as evidence that tax savings aren't trickling down to workers.

Lazonick predicted that Democrats in Congress may soon introduce a bill to crackdown on or even ban buybacks.

"There is no reason buybacks should be considered anything but illegal manipulation of stock," said Reich.

But given how much the stock market relies on buybacks, such a move could be difficult politically. After all, no lawmaker wants to get blamed for spooking the market.

Wall Street would cry foul, arguing Washington is trying to tell corporations how to spend their money.

Lazonick argued that banning buybacks would not hurt long-term investors because it would force companies to invest in the future, instead of catering to short-term shareholders.

"Workers, taxpayers and society as a whole will benefit," he said.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/05/investi ... index.html
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https://www.investopedia.com/articles/f ... or-not.asp

https://gsm.ucdavis.edu/research/who-be ... k-buybacks
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From Goobs article...

A rising stock market can help many Americans by increasing the value of retirement plans and providing a boost of confidence in the overall economy.

Everyone can agree that buybacks are a more productive use for extra cash then letting it sit in an overseas bank account where it earns virtually nothing. Buybacks free up capital that can then be used by shareholders to make investments that do create new jobs.

Buybacks also signal confidence in the business and the stock price. That confidence can translate to stronger and higher wages.

So other than Dems wanting to redistribute wealth what is bad about stock buy backs?
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88 wrote:If I was King, there would be a 99.9% tax on any gain on any traded asset held less than 90 days, and no ability to offset gains with losses for any traded asset held less than that period.

That would end computerized "volatility" trading, which benefits no one except the Wall Street firms that vacuum dollars out of the market using the computerized trading machines.

That would end day trading, which is not the purpose of the market and benefits no one except the day trader.

That would take a lot of the silliness out of the markets, and cause people to consider what they are investing in more closely.

In a football sense, you could only go long. The dink and duck would be a penalty.
I don't have an argument with any of that.
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Left Seater wrote:From Goobs article...

A rising stock market can help many Americans by increasing the value of retirement plans and providing a boost of confidence in the overall economy.

Everyone can agree that buybacks are a more productive use for extra cash then letting it sit in an overseas bank account where it earns virtually nothing. Buybacks free up capital that can then be used by shareholders to make investments that do create new jobs.

Buybacks also signal confidence in the business and the stock price. That confidence can translate to stronger and higher wages.

So other than Dems wanting to redistribute wealth what is bad about stock buy backs?
I fully expected you to skim and cherry-pick the few little nuggets that support your position. The bulk of that article, as well as the other two links, do not look favorably at stock buybacks. But I expected nothing less from a 1%-ball-licker.
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So name calling and ignoring the points made how softball bat of you.
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Left Seater wrote:So name calling and ignoring the points made how softball bat of you.
It seems you ignored 98% of the article. Plus two other links.
When a company buys back its own stock, it removes stock from the market, increasing earnings per share and, hopefully, stock price. Buybacks are intended to benefit all shareholders, but Griffin and Zhu found that weak governance and unclear accounting allow companies to tilt the playing field in favor of their executives, who receive additional compensation because the buyback makes their stock options more valuable.

“This aspect of compensation has been sky-rocketing in recent years,” explained Griffin. “Few people are aware that buybacks are being used to enhance CEO compensation.”
According to recent Bloomberg research, more than half of corporate profits (56%) in the U.S. go toward share buybacks. Some economists and investors argue that using excess cash to buy up their stock in the open market is the opposite of what companies should be doing, which is reinvesting to facilitate growth (as well as job creation and capacity).

The biggest social concern about this has to do with opportunity costs: Money that goes to shareholders in a stock buyback program could have been used for maintenance and upkeep. On average, fixed assets and consumer durable goods in the United States are now older than they’ve been at any point since the Eisenhower era (the 1950s). There is a lot of attention paid to the nation's crumbling roads and bridges, but private infrastructure is also suffering neglect – it's just not talked about. (For more, see "What Is Opportunity Cost and Why Does It Matter?")

Here's a simple truth (according to the Harvard Business Review report): In 2012, the 500 highest-paid executives named in proxy statements of U.S. public companies received, on average, $30.3 million each; 42% of their compensation came from stock options and 41% from stock awards. So C-suite executives have little incentive to scale back on buybacks, given the large positions in company stock they typically hold and therefore amount they have to gain. By increasing the demand for a company’s shares, open-market buybacks automatically lift its stock price, even if only temporarily, and can enable the company to hit quarterly EPS targets.
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Buybacks don't create jobs. Yes, they increase the value of my 401(K) but they don't create jobs.

Cash on hand does not cause companies to invest in "new jobs." Yes, in contributes to their ability to invest but it does not create investment or new jobs.

No company is going to invest in expanded capacity to produce their goods and/or services unless there's demand for those products. And how do you create that demand? One way is to pay your employees more. If all those profits go to the investment class and, no, not all employees are profiting from increased share prices, then you're not increasing demand.

In case you think I made up this brilliant theory, google Henry Ford.
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Investment class? That is the employees of said company. See your first sentence.
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88 wrote:This has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've ever watched play out on this board. When a corporation "buys back" its stock, it has to pay money to whoever owned the stock to acquire it. And no one is forced to sell their stock to the corporation. The owner of the stock could hold onto it, if they thought it might be more valuable at a later time. The people who sold the stock back to the corporation have apparently decided they would rather own the cash than the stock.

When you quote Robert Reich in any economics argument, you might as well post a picture of a monkey flinging shit with his bare hands. Only Paul Krugman is worse. These guys think other people's money and decisions should be theirs. Period.

...or...the majority stockholders could collude to drive the stock prices down, rendering individual stockholders with apparently "worthless" commodity...which they liquidate as anyone might do in a panic...then the stocks could be bought back for pennies on the dollar.
But hey...no one is forcing them to sell, right? So it's all fair, right?

Bro, do you even investment capital?
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88 wrote:When you quote Robert Reich in any economics argument, you might as well post a picture of a monkey flinging shit with his bare hands.
There were plenty of other people quoted in those articles. College professors and stuff. Sorry, I googled "who benefits from stock buybacks?", and it doesn't appear to be workers. And it does appear to increase wealth inequality.

And when you're talking about the owners of the stock being free to sell or not, keep in mind that the top 10% of households owned 84% of all stocks as of 2016. I feel fortunate in that my wife and I make well more than double the US median household income. But I think that the increasing wealth inequality in this country is a bad thing. And no, I'm not a socialist.
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Left Seater wrote:Investment class? That is the employees of said company. See your first sentence.
No, it's not.

This may come as a surprise to you but there are a lot of people who don't own stock or other investments of any kind, almost half from what I've read. Either because they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't own any 401(K) or IRA, or they just don't trust the market.

These are people who, to a large degree, drive the economy. Pay them more, they spend more. Pay you more, you probably save it because you're already living comfortably. Money going into retirement funds (as much as I like to see mine grow) does not drive the economy. Companies don't create new jobs just for the fuck of it. They create jobs to fill an unfilled demand for their product.
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Mikey wrote: Companies don't create new jobs just for the fuck of it. They create jobs to fill an unfilled demand for their product.
Agreed. Government money pumped into DoD, infastructure, etc, is what is driving job growth now.


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The clown show continues. (Suck it, Dohron).
President Donald Trump has been flustered by the onslaught of negative coverage generated by his new personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has exacerbated his political troubles in recent days with a series of unscripted interviews, four sources familiar with knowledge of the President's thinking tell CNN.

Giuliani joined Trump's legal team amid a shakeup less than three weeks ago to represent him in the special counsel's investigation into Russian election interference and possible ties to Trump associates. Since he made the bombshell announcement last Wednesday that the President had reimbursed his attorney Michael Cohen for the $130,000 paid to Stormy Daniels, Giuliani has appeared on several television shows and given interviews to more than half a dozen outlets.

Trump has grown irritated by Giuliani's performances and the headaches he has caused as contradictory statements between the two flash across the chyrons on his screen.

The President was initially pleased with his new attorney's brashness, but that has steadily eroded as the parade of interviews has continued. Trump was irked by Giuliani's interview on ABC News Sunday, particularly the clip of Giuliani refusing to rule out him pleading the Fifth Amendment, which has since played on a near-constant loop on cable television.

Longtime friend

Giuliani was a Trump loyalist during the 2016 presidential campaign who kept his eye on one position -- secretary of state -- but it soon became apparent that he wouldn't get it. A source with knowledge of the President's thinking at the time said Trump passed Giuliani over for the high-profile role because he thought he wasn't as sharp as he used to be.

The former New York City mayor told Trump he wasn't interested in any other Cabinet positions and would instead remain an effective ally of his outside of the administration. The two stayed in contact during Trump's chaotic first year in office.

But more than a year later, the President was growing increasingly frustrated with his legal team, who had promised him for months that the special counsel's investigation would wrap up soon. Instead, it seemed to be expanding.

As Trump looked for a more aggressive approach to the Russia probe, he sought solace in his old friend "Rudy," who had a similarly abrasive and volatile style. But after a string of stunning interviews in recent days raised more questions than answered them, the President began to realize that his hope that Giuliani could end the investigation quickly might have been misguided.

Giuliani, however, has been insistent that he and the President are synced.

"You wont see daylight between me and the President," he told CNN Thursday.

Though the President has been displeased with Giuliani, a source familiar with his thinking said it's not likely he will fire him. Instead, one source predicted, he will leave him on his legal team, but move him to the backburner. Giuliani has given the rest of the legal team pause, two people familiar with the matter say. Since he joined, Giuliani and Trump have maneuvered the strategy separately from everyone else, and are expected to be the two who decide whether Trump will ultimately sit down with Robert Mueller.

The response in the West Wing to Giuliani's arrival has been overwhelmingly negative. White House staffers have been rankled by his media parade, three sources said, with some questioning in private when he last practiced law and remarking that he might be losing his mental faculties. Giuliani has complicated things for West Wing officials, they say, by undermining the defense strategy they have used for the last several months while speaking on behalf of the President without coordinating it with the White House.

Initial strategy for managing Giuliani

The White House's initial strategy for responding to Giuliani's questions has been to refer them back to Giuliani himself. At the briefing Monday, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Trump "certainly feels that he's an added member -- added valued member to his outside special counsel." She later fielded several questions to the "outside special counsel."

A Republican strategist close to the White House said if they were on the communications team they would "get used to having my eyes open wide in horror and terror on a regular basis."

"I'd get used to getting more blindsided on a regular basis and not really knowing what the heck is going on and understanding that you are not going to be able to message the good policy things you are doing," the strategist said. "It's really the President taking over. It's the President saying you know what I'm going to do it my way."

"You can plan and plan and plan your short-term and long-term communications strategies, but when you are faced with the reality of this President's mode of operating you might as well just throw the plans out the window," the source added.

Though he is not an official government employee, Giuliani is now being introduced to a similar treatment that other White House staffers -- and former favorites of Trump's -- have faced in the past, where your rank with the President depends on the outcome of the news cycle.

Giuliani's diminished influence on Trump has shown. On Sunday, he told The Washington Post that he and Trump had struck a deal for the President to stay focused on "North Korea, Iran and China" while Giuliani handled the Mueller probe. The next day, Trump tweeted nearly a dozen times. Only two were about the Iran deal.

North Korea remarks

Among the President's national security aides, Giuliani's willingness to freely discuss ongoing negotiations on the Iran deal and US prisoners in North Korea was viewed as deeply problematic, according to multiple officials and others familiar with the situation. Aside from concern over the negotiations themselves, the officials said Giuliani's statements could lead to confusion over who is speaking on behalf of the US government.

One official attributed Giuliani's free-wheeling comments to a misunderstanding of his role -- which is no longer as a "principal," but as a surrogate for Trump. Another official said without any internal White House coordination over Giuliani's television appearances, there was little hope of providing him with accurate information. Giuliani does not work at the White House and does not have a security clearance.

His insistence on Fox News last week that the American detainees would be released within the day was not based on US intelligence or conversations with the President, according to sources. Instead, Giuliani was relaying a loosely sourced story that had been repeated on conservative media outlets with no confirmation from the White House.

US officials have been negotiating the release of the three detained Americans, and it's widely expected they'll go free ahead of Trump's upcoming summit with Kim Jong Un. Giuliani's remarks were viewed inside the White House as detrimental to those efforts, the officials said, since it upped the stakes for the President.

"This isn't how we should be doing this," sighed one US official after Giuliani's appearance on Fox. The official said the administration had hoped any announcement about the Americans' release would come from the President himself.

Officials inside the West Wing, who have been exasperated by Giuliani's string of brazen cable news appearances, have joked among themselves that he has unofficially replaced Michael Anton, the National Security Council spokesman who quit last month.

The former New York City mayor also suggested over the weekend that Trump was in favor of regime change in Iran, which runs counter to official US policy. Officials said the statement came as a surprise and were concerned Giuliani may inadvertently lead people to believe he speaks on behalf of the United States.

On Monday, the State Department made clear he does not.

"He speaks for himself and not on behalf of the administration on foreign policy," Heather Nauert, the State Department spokeswoman, said.
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four sources familiar with knowledge of the President's thinking tell CNN.
I do think providing a link validates the story. Wouldn't put it past some here to do their own selective editing on a story to get a rise out of peeps.
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That would make you a Roosevelt Democrat. Not a bad thing either.
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I write all of it myself.
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Why did oligarchs and companies funnel millions of dollars to Trump’s personal lawyer?
Abigail Tracy wrote:Over the last two years, a shell company set up by the president’s longtime lawyer, Michael Cohen, received more than $1 million dollars from a Russian oligarch and from several multi-national corporations, according to documents obtained by multiple news outlets. The limited liability company, called Essential Consultants, was initially created shortly before the 2016 election, and was used to funnel a $130,000 payment from Cohen to the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels, as part of an agreement to remain silent about an alleged affair with Donald Trump. On Tuesday, Daniels’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti, revealed that a bank account controlled by Essential Consultants had also received payments from Russian billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, who is the subject of U.S. sanctions; AT&T, which is currently engaged in an anti-trust lawsuit with the Department of Justice; Novartis, whose C.E.O. met with Trump in January; and a Korean aerospace company that is part of a multi-billion-dollar bid to provide jets to the U.S. Air Force.

A total of $4.4 million flowed through Essential Consultants until January of this year, when The Wall Street Journal reported on the existence of the shell company. Among the transactions was a $500,000 payment from Columbus Nova, a New York-based investment company with ties to Vekselberg, which Avenatti said he believes was meant to repay the hush money Cohen paid to Daniels. “After significant investigation, we have discovered that Mr. Trump’s atty Mr. Cohen received approximately $500,000 in the [months] after the election from a company controlled by a Russian [Oligarch] with close ties to Mr. Putin,” Avenatti wrote on Twitter. “These monies may have reimbursed the $130k payment.”

Last week, one of Trump’s lawyers, Rudy Giuliani, said that the president had reimbursed Cohen for the payment, contradicting Trump’s previous statements that he had been unaware of the arrangement with Daniels. Cohen has claimed that he paid Daniels out of his own pocket, using a home-equity loan to secure the funds. According to Giuliani, Trump repaid Cohen in installments as part of a retainer-like agreement that ultimately put $460,000 to $470,000 back into Cohen’s account.

A spokesperson for Columbus Nova has denied any impropriety. “Columbus Nova is an investment management company solely owned and controlled by Americans,” a lawyer for the company and for C.E.O. Andrew Intrater said. “After the inauguration, the firm hired Michael Cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures.” According to The New York Times, Intrater also donated $250,000 to Trump’s inauguration, and attended the event along with Vekselberg, who is his cousin. A “person close to Mr. Intrater” told the Times that he had no idea Essential Consultants was also used to pay Daniels.

“Reports today that Viktor Vekselberg used Columbus Nova as a conduit for payments to Michael Cohen are false. The claim that Viktor Vekselberg was involved in or provided any funding for Columbus Nova’s engagement of Michael Cohen is patently untrue,” Intrater’s lawyer said. “Neither Viktor Vekselberg nor anyone else outside of Columbus Nova was involved in the decision to hire Cohen or provided funding for his engagement.”

Potentially even more explosive are the payments from AT&T, Novartis, and Korea Aerospace Industries LTD, all of which have had business involving the Trump administration. AT&T confirmed that it had paid Cohen for “insights into understanding the new administration.” Essential Consultants LLC “did no legal or lobbying for us,” the telecom company said in a statement, adding that it “was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration” and that the contract ended in December 2017. Novartis said Wednesday that it had been contacted in November by Robert Mueller’s team about the payments, but that it “considers this matter closed as to itself and is not aware of any outstanding questions regarding the agreement.” (Korea Aerospace could not be reached for comment.)

Avenatti’s claim follows a New York Times report last week that Vekselberg, who has ties to Vladimir Putin, was previously questioned by Mueller’s team. According to individuals familiar with the matter, investigators stopped Vekselberg at a New York-area airport and searched his electronic devices earlier this year. In subsequent raids on his hotel room and office, F.B.I. investigators seized Cohen’s financial and business records. On Tuesday, CNN reported that Mueller’s investigators had questioned Vekselberg specifically about the payments to Cohen.

The allegations are sure to compound the legal troubles facing Cohen, who is reportedly being investigated by the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York for campaign-finance violations and bank fraud. “I am sitting here in this nightmare,” he has told people, according to my colleague Emily Jane Fox. He has said he has had no peace since January 2017, when BuzzFeed published the so-called “dossier” that made several claims about Cohen’s interactions with Russians throughout the presidential campaign (claims he has repeatedly denied). Since the raids, however, and following Giuliani’s media blitz, two people told Fox that Cohen feels even more alone. Friends have said that “Washington has made a huge mistake” in hanging him out to dry. “That,” one person said, “is a dangerous place for him to be.”
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Goober McTuber wrote:Why did oligarchs and companies funnel millions of dollars to Trump’s personal lawyer?
Because they like him?
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Goober McTuber wrote:Why did oligarchs and companies funnel millions of dollars to Trump’s personal lawyer?
Must have been lobbying Trump to slap extra sanctions on him, and freeze $1.5 billion of his assets.

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but some of the shit his detractors are spewing is outright hilarious.
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Goober McTuber wrote:Why did oligarchs and companies funnel millions of dollars to Trump’s personal lawyer?
Must have been lobbying Trump to slap extra sanctions on him, and freeze $1.5 billion of his assets.

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but some of the shit his detractors are spewing is outright hilarious.
If you read the article, it seems to be more about Cohen than Trump.
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Goober McTuber wrote:Why did oligarchs and companies funnel millions of dollars to Trump’s personal lawyer?
But...but...Hillary. What do I win?
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WASHINGTON (CNN) - President Donald Trump told reporters Wednesday that while "everyone thinks" he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his involvement in the warming of relations with North Korea, the only prize he wants is a victory for the world.

Trump was asked by a reporter while holding a Cabinet meeting at the White House whether he deserved the honor, to which the President replied with a large smile: "Everyone thinks so, but I would never say it."

Trump instead said he's focused on getting an agreement with North Korea "finished."

"The prize I want is victory for the world. Not for even here -- I want victory for the world 'cause that's what we're talking about. So that's the only prize I want," Trump said in the Cabinet room.

The Nobel Peace Prize is one of six awards given yearly by the Nobel Committee. Nobel prizes are usually announced in October but awarded annually on December 10, the anniversary of death of Alfred Nobel, who gives his name to the awards.

If Trump were to win the award, he'd be the fifth American president bestowed with the honor. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are all Nobel winners. During a recent campaign-style rally in Michigan, the crowd broke out into a chant of "Nobel, Nobel" while Trump was discussing his efforts in North Korea. Clearly enjoying the response, the President smiled and said, "Thank you, that is very nice."

In late April, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said that Trump would be a worthy winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, following his own summit with Kim Jong Un.

"President Trump should win the Nobel Peace Prize. The only thing we need is peace," Moon said, according to the Blue House, the South Korean presidential office.

On Wednesday, Trump sounded optimistic about his upcoming meeting with Kim.

"A lot of things can happen," Trump said regarding the meeting. "A lot of good things can happen. A lot of bad things can happen. I believe that we have both sides want to negotiate a deal. I think it's going to be a very successful deal. I think we have a really good shot at making it successful."
For his alliance with Stormy Daniels, maybe the Nobel Piece of Ass Prize.
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