the second debate

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:47 am

Van wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:Van,
Please post what he said during run up to election and at this debate that show he was getting his ass handed to him on the facts.
TIA
"One and done if I don't get it done during my first term."

Four years later he's grown the debt at a record rate; the very debt he promised to reduce.

Quit being disingenuous.

And what did he say tonight that was him getting his ass handed to him on facts?

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:47 am

Van wrote:
Lastly, you know Romney will attempt to bring it back to the economy again by decrying China's ascendency at our expense...

If he doesn't, he's a flat-out idiot.

How does Romney explain-away his insatiable appetite for Chinese cock in the private sector at Bain? All those American jobs outsourced as well. If Obama doesn't ram that down Shit's flip-flopping, General Tso's jizz-saturated gullet....he's the idiot.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:49 am

Jsc810 wrote:I've seen a few instant polls in TV so far, and all have Obama winning.

Have any of you seen any that have Romney winning tonight's debate?

There's no gleeful celebration commencing over at Faux News.... game over for Mitt in this one.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:50 am

undecided women and hispanic voters

What, all nine of them?

People, please. Obama has always overwhelmingly carried the female/Hispanic/minority vote. If Jesus his bad self had an 'R' beside his name in this election, the vast majority of women and Latinos would still vote 'D.'

That ship sailed a long time ago.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:51 am

Van wrote:his infamous Apology Tour.

wtf are you talking about?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:53 am

If Jesus had a R next to his name he would not be Jesus now would he?

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:54 am

Moving Sale wrote:
Van wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:Van,
Please post what he said during run up to election and at this debate that show he was getting his ass handed to him on the facts.
TIA
"One and done if I don't get it done during my first term."

Four years later he's grown the debt at a record rate; the very debt he promised to reduce.

Quit being disingenuous.
And what did he say tonight that was him getting his ass handed to him on facts?

I just told you. The fact is that he promised one very large thing and failed miserably when it came time to deliver that one very large thing. The most basic fact that is kicking his ass is the growing national debt/out of control unemployment, both of which he promised would no longer be an issue by this election.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:54 am

Jsc810 wrote:I've seen a few instant polls in TV so far, and all have Obama winning.

Have any of you seen any that have Romney winning tonight's debate?

yeah, the one I took myself. It was 1-0.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:54 am

Van wrote:
undecided women and hispanic voters

What, all nine of them?

People, please. Obama has always overwhelmingly carried the female/Hispanic/minority vote. If Jesus his bad self had an 'R' beside his name in this election, the vast majority of women and Latinos would still vote 'D.'

That ship sailed a long time ago.

Actually, they make up a significant portion of the undecided votes still out there from what I've heard. And more to your point...If Hitler himself ran as a Republican and promised to put every Jew on the planet in an ashtray "where they rightfully belong", the demographics you mentioned previously (NRA, 'necks, Nascar fans, etc) would still vote 'R'.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:56 am

Van wrote:Did I just hear them say that the next and final debate will be about foreign policy?

Good luck with that one, Chip.

Yeah, cause Romney has such a strong foreign policy record.

Loved Romney's big "gotcha" moment. You could really see his eyes light up. He was moving in for the kill. Then he tripped over his dick. Nice job.
Go back and change your special underwear.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 3:58 am

That is not delivering on a campaign promise not getting your ass handed to you on the facts.
I have no problem discussing the issue if you want but call it want it is please.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:02 am

Unless he's had a career in the military the challenger in a presidential election doesn't have to run on his own foreign policy merits, he merely has to take potshots at the incumbent's failures. He can boldly promise what he'll do while ripping his opponent a new one for what's already happened.

What, is this the first election to which you people have paid any serious attention?

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:08 am

Even Krauthammer is saying Obama won.

So what?
I already said barry did just fine your're searching now on right wing TV?

So sad, just put the Baaaaaaaaa behind Barry when you vote.
Fucking sheeple.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:09 am

Jsc810 wrote:Romney has about the same foreign policy experience and abilities as Sarah Palin.

Or Obama in 2008. You really are a pathetic dong slurping tard.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:09 am

H4ever wrote:And more to your point...If Hitler himself ran as a Republican and promised to put every Jew on the planet in an ashtray "where they rightfully belong", the demographics you mentioned previously (NRA, 'necks, Nascar fans, etc) would still vote 'R'.

Exactly. The vast majority of votes are decided long before the candidates have even been chosen. People vote for their team, and that's that. Those few fence-sitters? They most assuredly are not made up of NRA members, religious nutjobs, minorities, unemployed types, etc.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:10 am

88 wrote:Candy Crowley just admitted to Anderson Cooper that she was wrong in her "fact check" about Obama saying the attack in Libya was an act of terror. She now admits that Obama was talking about 9/11 when he mentioned acts of terror during that speech.

As a Raider fan I have no sympathy with your blame the ref mentality.

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:11 am

War Wagon wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:I've seen a few instant polls in TV so far, and all have Obama winning.

Have any of you seen any that have Romney winning tonight's debate?
yeah, the one I took myself. It was 1-0.

make that 2 zip

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:16 am

I just love Mitt's idea to cancel mortgage interest deductions and child tax credits....that'll boost the middle class! You go boy!

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:17 am

Jsc810 wrote:Romney has about the same foreign policy experience and abilities as Sarah Palin.

Which is still more than the first-term junior senator from Illinois had upon being shoehorned into the Oval Office.

The point is that Romney now has specific foreign policy targets to attack based on Obama's easily assailable decisions as CiC and as the president upon whose watch America's status as a world leader took an historic nosedive.

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:20 am

Van wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:Romney has about the same foreign policy experience and abilities as Sarah Palin.
Which is still more than the first-term junior senator from Illinois had upon being shoehorned into the Oval Office.

The point is that Romney now has specific foreign policy targets to attack based on Obama's easily assailable decisions as CiC and as the president upon whose watch America's status as a world leader took an historic nosedive.

Would you concede that Obama now has more experience in foreign policy? Having served 4 years as POTUS? Why regress to a Palinesque.....ok, junior senator level of experience in Mitt? oh that's right....all that outsourcing of American jobs in the private sector educated Mitt on how shit rolls overseas. gotcha

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:21 am

The best tactic Obama used tonight was knowing that time had long since passed on a topic, tossing out a huge lie and knowing that when Romney tried to correct him, the moderator would move them along to a new topic.

The biggest missed opportunity I saw for Romney was when Obama claimed that the number of illegals crossing the border during his administration is at the lowest level in 10 years. The slam dunk response to that is, "Yeah, because you've run the economy so poorly that jobs for them have dried up as well."

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:25 am

OCmike wrote:The best tactic Obama used tonight was knowing that time had long since passed on a topic, tossing out a huge lie and knowing that when Romney tried to correct him, the moderator would move them along to a new topic.

The biggest missed opportunity I saw for Romney was when Obama claimed that the number of illegals crossing the border during his administration is at the lowest level in 10 years. The slam dunk response to that is, "Yeah, because you've run the economy so poorly that jobs for them have dried up as well."

to which Obama could promptly respond, "You can attribute that to the eight years of policy I inherited from your boy, Chimpy Bush" He actually already used that in response to one of Mitt's lies on the deficit.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:26 am

Jsc810 wrote:Romney has about the same foreign policy experience and abilities as Sarah Palin.

You say this as if it's a bad thing. Care to list Barry's successes so that we can denounce you properly?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:30 am

88 wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:Even Krauthammer is saying Obama won.

Yeah, tonight belongs to Obama.
CBS flash poll of undecided gave Obama 37%, Romney 30%, and a tie 30%. Big win.

...Yet the same poll had Romney "winning" the economy 65-34. Hope Jsc enjoys his pyrrhic victory...

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:33 am

H4ever wrote:
OCmike wrote:The best tactic Obama used tonight was knowing that time had long since passed on a topic, tossing out a huge lie and knowing that when Romney tried to correct him, the moderator would move them along to a new topic.

The biggest missed opportunity I saw for Romney was when Obama claimed that the number of illegals crossing the border during his administration is at the lowest level in 10 years. The slam dunk response to that is, "Yeah, because you've run the economy so poorly that jobs for them have dried up as well."
to which Obama could promptly respond, "You can attribute that to the eight years of policy I inherited from your boy, Chimpy Bush" He actually already used that in response to one of Mitt's lies on the deficit.

Actually, one of the few smart things Obama was done in the debates is to use that excuse on only a few occasions. Now if only his nutty followers would just follow suit...

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:35 am

H4ever wrote:
to which Obama could promptly respond, "You can attribute that to the eight years of policy I inherited from your boy, Chimpy Bush" He actually already used that in response to one of Mitt's lies on the deficit.

So Bo Pelini has a built-in excuse to blame the last five years on Bill Callahan? Ponderous.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:39 am

Van wrote:shoehorned

Wtf are you talking about?
Election fraud?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:42 am

Moving Sale wrote:
Van wrote:shoehorned
Wtf are you talking about?
Election fraud?

No, judicial. He's questioning the validity of your law license.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:49 am

You can check with cal bar. It's valid.
Any other vapid thoughts you fat flyover fuck?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:51 am

Moving Sale wrote:You can check with cal bar. It's vapid.
Any other valid thoughts you fat flyover fuck?

FTFY

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:56 am

Nice backpedal you fat flyover fuck.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:57 am

H4ever wrote:
Van wrote:
Jsc810 wrote:Romney has about the same foreign policy experience and abilities as Sarah Palin.
Which is still more than the first-term junior senator from Illinois had upon being shoehorned into the Oval Office.

The point is that Romney now has specific foreign policy targets to attack based on Obama's easily assailable decisions as CiC and as the president upon whose watch America's status as a world leader took an historic nosedive.
Would you concede that Obama now has more experience in foreign policy?

Sure, just as I would also concede that a convicted arsonist has more experience in fire prevention.

Having ~~served~~ proven to be a colossal failure during 4 years as POTUS?

Yep.

Why regress to a Palinesque.....ok, junior senator level of experience in Mitt?

As they say, "It's the economy, stupid."

Along the way, Obama has been nearly an equal failure in terms of foreign policy.

oh that's right....all that outsourcing of American jobs in the private sector educated Mitt on how shit rolls overseas. gotcha

Simple question. On the one hand you have a community organizer who had never held a real job in his life before ascending to a seat in the Illinois legislature solely on the basis of a catchy name and the color of his skin. On the other you have a cutthroat businessman whose entire life has been spent dotting 'i's and crossing 't's on his way to bludgeoning failing businesses into successful enterprises. The guy has demonstrated a strong aptitude for balancing a budget while turning a profit. When the primary issue facing Joe Voter isn't abortion or gun control or prayer in schools but rather our assfucked economy, which guy do you suppose would likely be the better choice for righting the ship?

Oh, and keep in mind that the first guy has already been given four years to do the job and has proven that he was not up to the task. He's also on record as having made multiple promises upon which he failed in no uncertain terms to deliver. Rather than fixing anything or at least slowing the bleeding, he clearly made things worse.

How is this even a difficult decision?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:02 am

Moving Sale wrote:Nice backpedal you fat flyover fuck.

Not even on your best day. Tell, ya what, ~~Short~~ Sport:

The Bay-to-Breakers is the third week in May. We run a a similar race here the first of June. My best time at that distance (12K) is just under 58 minutes. Care to see who the fat fuck really is? After all, we have the short fuck already pegged...

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:06 am

How has the pres been a failure in foreign policy?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:08 am

Moving Sale wrote:How has the pres been a failure in foreign policy?

Better question: What have been his successes?

ChargerMike · Post by **ChargerMike** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:09 am

H4ever wrote:
OCmike wrote:The best tactic Obama used tonight was knowing that time had long since passed on a topic, tossing out a huge lie and knowing that when Romney tried to correct him, the moderator would move them along to a new topic.

The biggest missed opportunity I saw for Romney was when Obama claimed that the number of illegals crossing the border during his administration is at the lowest level in 10 years. The slam dunk response to that is, "Yeah, because you've run the economy so poorly that jobs for them have dried up as well."
to which Obama responds every time he's called on his failed policies, "You can attribute that to the eight years of policy I inherited from your boy, Chimpy Bush" He actually already used that in response to one of Mitt's lies on the deficit.

FIXED, but still weakest retort of the night.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:12 am

Truman wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:How has the pres been a failure in foreign policy?
Better question: What have been his successes?

Is this where I say OBL is dead and you say Bush killed him?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:16 am

H4ever wrote:Would you concede that Obama now has more experience in foreign policy?

And all of it horrible. You're a complete idiot. Sorry to have to break it to you this way.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:17 am

Moving Sale wrote:How has the pres been a failure in foreign policy?

I'll just throw this out there.Just like Bush did with Secretary Rice, Obama did with Hillary, an impossible job for a woman in a place where women aren't respected at all, at best they are treated like the basic house fly. Oh yes...we are fucked. Nothing against the ladies but we are toast in the Middle East.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:21 am

I meant a reason that wasn't based in Bigotry.