What will Black people do

[Mister Bushice]

If Obama Wins? They certainly seem to be expecting him to give them every handoutthing they think they deserve, but he won't do it, he's not representing them, he's a politician. He represents himself.

I'll bet within 6-8 months of his presidency, when he hasn't had jessie Jackson over for dinner several times and hasn't called for civil war reparations to be made or hasn't lowered the bar on welfare qualifications or hasn't made plans to rebuild every ghetto in America, the black community will turn on him and call him a traitor, an Uncle Tom.

At least with a white president, we KNOW we're going to get screwed, so our expectations are met every time.

I seriously don't think they know what's coming. The wife works in a place with a lot of Black people, and across the board they think Obama will make their lives better BECAUSE he's black.

Boy, are they in for a shock.

[General Peters]

Good take.

And what about the spineless pussy metro whites who vote for him. What will they do when he fails to deliver on their "hope" for a better life?

[Bobby42]

Sad but true. Jesse already wants to slice off his balls. When he and others don't get the access they believe are entitled...well, you've already painted the picture.

[titlover]

as a race, black people make teh most horrible decisions. it wil not change coe elction time....

[Screw_Michigan]

as a race, black people make teh most horrible decisions. it wil not change coe elction time....

As a race, you're an embarrassment to white people. Just sayin', dicklick.

[KC Scott]

There's another school of thought that goes along the lines if the hip hop culture have a role model to really emulate - someone other than Flavor Flav or 50 Cent, perhaps they will collectively view things like Education, Enunciation and pants that fit as being something to aspire to.

Seriously, they won't listen to Cos and Only like Tiger beacuse he's rich with a hot white wife, so maybe, just maybe our culture can improve.

Bobby - Vic: your thoughts?

[Smackie Chan]

There's another school of thought that goes along the lines if the hip hop culture have a role model to really emulate - someone other than Flavor Flav or 50 Cent, perhaps they will collectively view things like Education, Enunciation and pants that fit as being something to aspire to.

I doubt it. Being prez does nothing for street cred.

[Tom In VA]

There are plenty of good black role models out there. I work for an African American enterprise and it is filled with highly educated, highly motivated exceptional people.

If you think black culture = hip hop culture alone then you're watching entirely too much t.v.

Why don't you go read, http://www.blackvoices.com. In fact one editor there is concerned about an Obama presidency the adverse impact it will have on a relatively nascent black middle class and rising black entreprenuers.

That being said, the symbolic achievement of Barack Obama cannot be overlooked. And the gravity of that symbolic victory could prove to be wonderful for the country in the long term. The question is, how much will this symbolic achievement cost ?

Change, often requires some pain. That pain will be felt economically - at a minimum.

[KC Scott]

There are plenty of good black role models out there. I work for an African American enterprise and it is filled with highly educated, highly motivated exceptional people.

How very white of you to point out that there are exceptional blacks out there Tom.
How could we ever have known without that enlightenment.

If you think black culture = hip hop culture alone then you're watching entirely too much t.v.

Yes, and perhaps that's why I called it the Hip Hop culture and not the Black culture.

But ya know all of us just kinda think the same........

[Tom In VA]

Hmmmm, okay, Scott. Sorry about that, I was eating a sandwhich at the time of reading your post.

I got my whitebreads confused.

[KC Scott]

Sorry about that, I was eating a sandwhich at the time of reading your post.

Mayonaise?

:P

[Tom In VA]

That and I ate at "Cracker" barrel this morning.

Just kind of a recurring theme today I guess.

I'm actually looking for that link to that editorial I read.

[Rasputin]

That being said, the symbolic achievement of Barack Obama cannot be overlooked. And the gravity of that symbolic victory could prove to be wonderful for the country in the long term. The question is, how much will this symbolic achievement cost ?

The real question is that if the first Black in the White House is an incompetent socialist POS who turns an economic downturn into a sustained recession at home and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory abroad, what happens when a Black candidate who is worth voting for decides to run?

[PSUFAN]

I have to chuckle at the designation of Obama as a socialist. Did you happen to notice the bailouts that have been happening all around us? Sorry man, we're all socialists now.

[Rasputin]

There is a difference between taking emergency measures in an economic crisis and having redistrution of wealth as a fundamental principle.

[PSUFAN]

...a difference that at this point is really meaningless.

[Rasputin]

Not really. But you ignored the point, of course. When thas assclown turns out to be the major blunder we all know he will be, what happens to the chances of a competent Black presidential candidate?

[War Wagon]

If Obama Wins? They certainly seem to be expecting him to give them every handoutthing they think they deserve, but he won't do it, he's not representing them, he's a politician. He represents himself.

I'll bet within 6-8 months of his presidency, when he hasn't had jessie Jackson over for dinner several times and hasn't called for civil war reparations to be made or hasn't lowered the bar on welfare qualifications or hasn't made plans to rebuild every ghetto in America, the black community will turn on him and call him a traitor, an Uncle Tom.

At least with a white president, we KNOW we're going to get screwed, so our expectations are met every time.

I seriously don't think they know what's coming. The wife works in a place with a lot of Black people, and across the board they think Obama will make their lives better BECAUSE he's black.

Boy, are they in for a shock.

And you have the temerity to call me a racist?

Go fuck your hypocritical self, that's what YOU should do.

As for Black people... here's what they're already doing. Regardless of who wins, they realize the deck isn't stacked against them anymore and maybe they'll start to get off their asses and go to work.

Al Sharpton on CNN:

We're sitting in the pilots seat now, and we've got to make the plane fly.

Ya' think?

The pilot's the last in a long line of people who got that plane off the ground.

[poptart]

As for Black people... here's what they're already doing. Regardless of who wins, they realize the deck isn't stacked against them anymore and maybe they'll start to get off their asses and go to work.

Billy Ray Cyrus coulda been HUGE if he'd ever gotten his lazy redneck @ss down to WORK.


sayin'

[Bobby42]

Wags, everyone should get off their asses. Those with jobs should work harder. Enough of the mentality where folks believe they're entitled. You want the American Dream..work for it.

[rozy]

Sorry man, we're all socialists now.

I voted for John Culberson. Who is this we you speak of?

[rozy]

Wags, everyone should get off their asses. Those with jobs should work harder. Enough of the mentality where folks believe they're entitled. You want the American Dream..work for it.

I never figured you for a sellout, B. How does the obamalaid taste? Oh, wait, this is one of those moments you argue AGAINST yourself. Gotcha.

Taking from the rich and giving to the poor doesn't make the poor rich. It makes them dependent. Entitlement is the next step in that natural progression.

Yep, work harder, where The Marxist can take more of your money and give it to the entitled. You betcha.

[Diego in Seattle]

That being said, the symbolic achievement of Barack Obama cannot be overlooked. And the gravity of that symbolic victory could prove to be wonderful for the country in the long term. The question is, how much will this symbolic achievement cost ?

The real question is that if the first Black in the White House is an incompetent socialist POS who turns an economic downturn into a sustained recession at home

As opposed to the last eight years of the feudalist party who have run the economy into the crapper? Pulease, idiot.

and snatches defeat from the jaws of victory abroad,

Bush, Cheney, & Rumsfeld were the ones who botched the operation from the start. They are the ones responsible for many soldiers dying unnecessarily.

[PSUFAN]

Sorry man, we're all socialists now.

I voted for John Culberson. Who is this we you speak of?

You and me, comrade. You pay taxes, don't you? We just bought the banking industry, and we're on the way to buying the auto industry, etc.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

They are the ones responsible for many soldiers dying unnecessarily.

As opposed to soldiers dying "necessarily"?

You have been so completely swallowed up by Western, liberal, post-ideological nonsense, you're beginning to regurgitate their bullshit narrative.

Go fuck yourself and the soft imperialism you rode in on.

[Diego in Seattle]

They are the ones responsible for many soldiers dying unnecessarily.

As opposed to soldiers dying "necessarily"?

You have been so completely swallowed up by Western, liberal, post-ideological nonsense, you're beginning to regurgitate their bullshit narrative.

If that's the case, why did/do I support the invasion of Iraq?

Sorry to burst your party talking points balloon, fucktard.

[Smackie Chan]

Not really. But you ignored the point, of course. When thas assclown turns out to be the major blunder we all know he will be, what happens to the chances of a competent Black presidential candidate?

How fuckin' stupid. By that logic, if he turns out to be a great President, does that turn the Oval Office into another quest for the Great White Hope?

[PSUFAN]

When thas assclown turns out to be the major blunder we all know he will be

Not in.

[Rasputin]

Not really. But you ignored the point, of course. When thas assclown turns out to be the major blunder we all know he will be, what happens to the chances of a competent Black presidential candidate?

...if he turns out to be a great President, does that turn the Oval Office into another quest for the Great White Hope?

No, dumbass. If he turns out not to be a total abortion of a chief executive, then race as a consideration in presidential politics goes away. If he's the next Jimmy Carter (more likely he'll make Jimmy look like TR), the mvscal's of the world will blame the race, not the empty suit in the oval office. And they'll grow in number when we have a candidate worthy of the office who happens to be black. Obama winning could in the long term be the worst thing to happen to blacks on a national political level.

[Smackie Chan]

If he turns out not to be a total abortion of a chief executive, then race as a consideration in presidential politics goes away. If he's the next Jimmy Carter (more likely he'll make Jimmy look like TR), the mvscal's of the world will blame the race, not the empty suit in the oval office. And they'll grow in number when we have a candidate worthy of the office who happens to be black. Obama winning could in the long term be the worst thing to happen to blacks on a national political level.

Oh, I see. If he's good, race isn't a factor, but if he sucks, it is. Gotcha. He's representative of all members of his race, present and future. By that standard, a white person should never be elected again, since the incumbent has shown how terrible they are being President. And since the mvscals of the world will blame race if he sucks, that means all Americans will feel that way. It's not as if assessment of the job the Prez does should be based on the individual doing the job. It should be extended to all members of the race to which he belongs. Yeah, that makes sense.

You really are a fuckin' imbecile, aren't you.

[Tom In VA]

Smackie,

The question was posed to me by a co-worker, as to whether or not, Washington will stand in Obama's way - because he's black. That, at least, indicates to me there might be a response, if Obama fails, that he wasn't allowed to succeed based on his race. I think that's where Dio was heading.

"If he's the next Jimmy Carter (more likely he'll make Jimmy look like TR), the mvscal's of the world will blame the race, not the empty suit in the oval office."

While I don't agree with his use of the n word, what he's proposing is that somehow there will be an outcry that Obama wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

Our racial issues in this country run deep. Based on the question asked by my co-worker, I can't help but think that there is an underlying suspicion that should Obama fail, apologists will not hold HIM accountable but hold some remnants of an oligarchy of white males accountable and suggest he wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

Ask youself this. Have we seen this before ? Quarterbacks ? Head Coaching jobs ?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

They are the ones responsible for many soldiers dying unnecessarily.

As opposed to soldiers dying "necessarily"?

You have been so completely swallowed up by Western, liberal, post-ideological nonsense, you're beginning to regurgitate their bullshit narrative.

If that's the case, why did/do I support the invasion of Iraq?

Because you are an accomplice to murder.

[Rasputin]

Smackie,

The question was posed to me by a co-worker, as to whether or not, Washington will stand in Obama's way - because he's black. That, at least, indicates to me there might be a response, if Obama fails, that he wasn't allowed to succeed based on his race. I think that's where Dio was heading.

"If he's the next Jimmy Carter (more likely he'll make Jimmy look like TR), the mvscal's of the world will blame the race, not the empty suit in the oval office."

While I don't agree with his use of the n word, what he's proposing is that somehow there will be an outcry that Obama wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

Our racial issues in this country run deep. Based on the question asked by my co-worker, I can't help but think that there is an underlying suspicion that should Obama fail, apologists will not hold HIM accountable but hold some remnants of an oligarchy of white males accountable and suggest he wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

Ask youself this. Have we seen this before ? Quarterbacks ? Head Coaching jobs ?

Forgot about the filters. When I say mvscal, I mean ignorant racist POS. Just to clarify.

[Mister Bushice]

There's another school of thought that goes along the lines if the hip hop culture have a role model to really emulate - someone other than Flavor Flav or 50 Cent, perhaps they will collectively view things like Education, Enunciation and pants that fit as being something to aspire to.

I was walking across the shopping center parking lot the other day, and this 16-18- year old black guy was walking towards me with ear buds in, singing in this Chris Rock like voice the lyrics to whatever he was listening to. It went something like:

"fuck you, ya mutha fucka, mutha fucking bitch yeah bitch, my mutha fucka, mother fucking bitch"

two days later I'm at the gas station and this 30 something mexican woman gets out of the minivan next to me, with a 9 year old girl in the back seat, SAME song blasting out over the car speakers.
Then her 30 something black boyfriend /old man whoever, got out of the passenger side.

So I think you have it backwards. Until the hip hop community stops collectively expressing things like violence, a lack of education and enunciation as a badge of pride, and the "glory" of the gangsta lifestyle, as well as the mistreatment of women in their lyrics, I wouldn't expect much "Change" in that area.

Obama pretty much slammed 10 nickels for the rap crap he wrote in his honor anyway.

Again, it comes back to the mentality of "we got our man in the white house now, things are going to change"

They just haven't figured out yet he isn't going to be that.

[Diego in Seattle]

If that's the case, why did/do I support the invasion of Iraq?

Because you are an accomplice to murder.

Oh....ok. :meds X infinity.

[Mister Bushice]

And you have the temerity to call me a racist?

Followed by:

As for Black people... here's what they're already doing. Regardless of who wins, they realize the deck isn't stacked against them anymore and maybe they'll start to get off their asses and go to work.

Don't think anyone here KHOA so many times.

[Tom In VA]

Let's all get one thing straight, here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell

What some portray as "authentic black culture" is actually a relic of a highly dysfunctional white southern redneck culture. Such a dysfunctional white culture Sowell maintains, in turn derived from the ‘Cracker culture’ of certain regions in Britain, mainly the harsh English borderlands, origin of many 'cracker' migrants. Sowell gives a number of examples that he regards as supporting the lineage, including an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship,… and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery.

Sowell also provides figures to support his argument that there was a far bigger divide between the cracker/redneck culture of the Southern and Applachian regions and the culture of more northerly Americans, than between whites and blacks. E.g. Northern blacks tried to stop redneck blacks coming up from the South, and the same happened between northern whites and redneck whites. This thesis is the title essay of Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals.

See this is the problem when the educated, motivated, Americans - who happen to be black and CONSERVATIVE - do not get a voice in the mainstream press.

[Smackie Chan]

Smackie,

The question was posed to me by a co-worker, as to whether or not, Washington will stand in Obama's way - because he's black. That, at least, indicates to me there might be a response, if Obama fails, that he wasn't allowed to succeed based on his race. I think that's where Dio was heading.

Who in Washington is gonna stand in his way? A Democratic Congress? The liberal media that is being credited for whisking him into office?

While I don't agree with his use of the n word, what he's proposing is that somehow there will be an outcry that Obama wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

There is always going to be that element. Even if he wildly succeeds, do you think those who are now crying that the sky is falling will give him any credit for it? They'll practice revisionist history by claiming that the credit really belongs to the thoughtful foresight of Dubya and the policies he put in place, and that Obama was merely the fortunate individual who was in office when those policies bore fruit. Of course, it doesn't work in the other direction, though. The fact that he is inheriting two wars and an economy in the shitter won't keep him from being blamed for not being able to turn things around, even though we don't hear the same criticism about Shrub. We'll hear how much better things would have been if McCain were elected. And race has little to do with it. Clinton gets no credit for presiding over a period of unparalleled prosperity (that belongs to the dot com boom and the wisdom of Reagan and Bush 41), but he gets the blame for 9/11 and the economic downturn that occurred around the time of Dubya's inauguration. Essentially, here's how it works: if there is credit to be given, it can NEVER be a Democrat who gets it, and if there is blame to be placed, it is ALWAYS a Democrat who is responsible. If the economy is good with a Democrat in the White House, the argument is that the President has little impact on the economy. If the economy blows while a Democrat is in the Oval Office, it's his fault.

Our racial issues in this country run deep. Based on the question asked by my co-worker, I can't help but think that there is an underlying suspicion that should Obama fail, apologists will not hold HIM accountable but hold some remnants of an oligarchy of white males accountable and suggest he wasn't allowed to succeed because he's black.

Sure, that'll happen. There will also be those who will blame it on a) Obama being black, b) Obama being a Democrat, and c) Obama being a black Democrat. But the notion that Obama is basically a test case to see if blacks are capable of being President is what I take issue with. That's basically doing trend analysis on a sample of one. There are certainly those who will do that, but they are not representative of the majority of voters (at least outside the South). The minds of those who think that way can't be changed. They're convinced that is the case now, and they'll remain convinced irrespective of the job Obama might do, if he's elected.

[Tom In VA]

Who in Washington is gonna stand in his way? A Democratic Congress? The liberal media that is being credited for whisking him into office?

That was pretty close to my response to the gentleman.

[Bobby42]

Wags, everyone should get off their asses. Those with jobs should work harder. Enough of the mentality where folks believe they're entitled. You want the American Dream..work for it.

I never figured you for a sellout, B. How does the obamalaid taste? Oh, wait, this is one of those moments you argue AGAINST yourself. Gotcha.

Taking from the rich and giving to the poor doesn't make the poor rich. It makes them dependent. Entitlement is the next step in that natural progression.

Yep, work harder, where The Marxist can take more of your money and give it to the entitled. You betcha.

You've got the wrong B, dude. Can't figure where in my position prompted your response. You addressed "taking from the rich and giving to the poor doesn't make the poor rich." I agree with that. You work to get ahead and with preparation (training, education and hard work) one is able to seize and take advantage of opportunities. "Entitlement" is mostly generational. Ask anyone who is a manager or supervisor of a bunch of Gen Y workers and they'll tell you the same thing.