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Post by velocet »

Well since the posts concerning the old days are going over so well with everyone and the excitement generated is so overwhelming, it is only fitting that I offer up an eagerly sought after continuation of same.


Here's TheB-LoSmack's Census list:



*LIL MISS CAN'T DO WRONG*

2daddy

abalone
ADAM
Anarka
Alamo Stars Fan
Alfredo Garcia
America
ankomak
aquandorange
Arch_Angel
ArtinAlbany
atomic_apoc
aTribeFan21

BAM Howe
BeanBag
Beantown Basher
begby
bigdaddy_in_sandiego
Biggie Cohen
Bitter_Pittsburgher
Blackula
Blondiebabe
blutopike
bmx racer
Bobby42
BobinMd
bobinsorryexcuseny
BONES
BoobLa
BoSoxFan
bray2
Broken Staple
Brooklyn Wilbury
Brother Badgerjohn
Bubba
Buccaneer
Bulgaricus13
Bunny Farts

cannibus
CarlSpackler
Carson in the Gump
Catfish
Cirus Demigod
cheezeburger
chi6
Chris In Winnipeg
ChuDawg
CitizenClone
C_Muska
coachpmustgo
CodeJedi
Copycat
Cormega
cpaul
cubfan

dafish in Jacksonville
DamnTheCowboys
Dank
DARKSAGA
Dash to the hoop
Dash Rip Rock
Dave The Buc
David_Copperfield
davidntulsa
DC Smackmaster
D-Dogg
Dennis the Phantom Menace
DenverBoot
Diego in Yosemite
Dimwit
diogenes
DJPI
DMA
Doc
DoggFather
doncfan
Doug near DC
DownInFlames
Dr Bob
DrDetroit25
DREW
drew in san antonio
Drive German
D-roo
Drunk4Life

east coast chargerfan
Ed in piececo
Ed in West LA
Edge
Eeyore's swinging sack
elgrandepeehole
Elmer
enolc
EuroClone
eveready

Fah Q
Filthy McNastie
FLADOG
FlameFan
flem_snopes
freeze
FRAGNBASTICH
FUCT
Funkywhiteboy

Gator_Dave
Gex
ggil
Goddess
gordon21
GPC
Guy_Fawkes

Hangman
Haywood Giablomi
Hey_Mikey!!
Hillbilly Jim
hogheadinhtown
HumanTampon
HumVee

I Claudius
Imfletch
IM Right
index
IndyClown
inkydave
IrieInHighCountry
IRIE LAGOS
ironcitydt
I, Sardonius

Jake in Yorba Linda
Jay in Phoenix
JCT
JDog6
JerryJonesBlowsGoats
JerseyinNoCal
J. InNoCal
Jimmy Medalions
Jobocky
Jokey
jon
JordanJames
Josepy
jp in pt
Jsc810
Jughead Jonestown
JUNGLEJUICE

K9Force
kcdave
KCKALEY
Kevbo
KEV IN FEENIX
kill reggie
kirkworld
KUTTER

LA TECH DAWG
Lawman
lawnguy
Laxplayer
Lightnin1
LizardKing1971
L kAbOnG
longtimelistener2
Luther


Mace
Maher-shalal-hash-baz
MarcusAllen
Mariner fan
Mark In C-Bus
mcatboy
Me_Arty
MgoBlue-LightSpecial
Miguel
Mike M
Mike-T in Indy
Miss Conduct
mmdemon
MO469
Mook
monet
Monterey
moth
mrgreenjeans
Mr. Magniloquent
MR MIKE
MrTomJonez
MuffDiver

Navy Doc
ND Domer
Neely8
Nerve Pipe
NHL Iceman
Nick Frisco
noeway
NorNev
nostra
number 8
numerousbonghitz
Nyeman from the Bay

OC-Mike (formerly OCMike)
Omaha Native
OmegaVerb
Opus Dog
Osceola
Ottavezina

Paris in NoCal
Paul in Screwtown
PJEddie
podge
ppanther
PunkAzzSnowboardah
PYTHON

qbertthal

Rack Me
Raindog
RangerJohn
R.C. Collins
RedskinzDame
Reggie Noble
RichInOC
R-Jack
rnarn
Robwal
RockChalkJayhawk
Roger_the_Shrubber
ROLOW
RonaldMcDonald
Roofer
Rootbeer
rozy
RPAP

sambo
Scanner
ScoJeMo
Screw_Michigan
SexieLexie
shakat
Shaz in Htown
Shine
Sir Casual
six pack dan
Sk8erDanG
slickseler
Slinger
smack-a-doodle-doo
smackaholic1
Smackenstein
SmackPrincess
SmackTheRipper
smackula
socalvansmack
southlander
Stan in C-Town
Stiletto
Stratos21
Stretch the Clone
subtomic
Sudden Sam
SuperFreak
superwhitey
SundanceKid11

TallStory
taskmaster
TerryFunk
Terry in Crapchester
TexasChowd
TexSmak
TheArtist
The Bad Seed
TheB-LoSmack
The bootie lover
TheCommish
The Elitist
The Gimp
TheHardcoreFranchise
The Predator
The Reverend Freshmaker
TheUnismacker
Timmy Canuck
Tiny
TM1
Toddbear
tomas
Tory in Neck-Moines
true clevelander
turtle1
txsportsfanatic
Ty

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
UP52
usmcobra

VALVENIS
Van
Van Plowboy
Vedder
Vicon_Demon
velocet
vitocorleone

WAR_FORSBERG
warren
WarWagon
wax
webdog
WillMan from H-Town
Wolfie Wolf
Wrsnbrg7

XXL

Y2Don
Y2K
Yankeetown

zcrash6969
Zuko in the B-Lo
Zyclone
zztop




... and here's M.Perkins' list:




ADAM
Airborne
ankomak
Arch_Angel
attackworm
A Fan in Akron
ArtinAlbany
Al Czervik
AZ Packman
Adam in Tampa
apbabruce
al bundy
birdstyle
Bobby42
Britney's Lips
Blackula
shutyomouth
big cat backer
Blitz
billinRTVSoCal
bob in
sorryexcuseny
Bacefelice
Blondiebabe
Blondiebabe's Left Nipple
Blondiebabe's Right Nipple
Blòndiebabe
Blondie's son
Buccaneer
bigbarracuda
Biggie Cohen
BAM
blacome
blackhawks1
bray2
bigdaddy_in_sandiego
BeaverCleaver
Beantown Basher
Broken Staple
Brooklyn Wilbury
Black_Vic
BigRed71
Bitter_Pittsburgher
Barnes Troll
beer cap
Bubba
compulsivemasturbaTROLL
Come Bye Chance
canibus
Colma White
Caddie Jr
Chris In Winnipeg
CaPtAiN_SLaP_a_HoE
CRC
CWA
cheap beer
ChiaTroll
CALVETTI
calvetti's girl
chowd103
ChrisINctown
clubfunker
CupCrazy2000
Csmith775
Camith755
Carneliat
Crickety Carson in the
Gump
Chris Tucker
Catfish
Captain Iron
Cockroach
Checker
CitizenClone
Cosmo Kramer
Channel Maggot
Dimwit
desmike316
DJPI
DownInFlames
dencodog
DamnTheCowboys
DARKSAGA
diogenes
D-Dogg
DoggFather
DTA
DaOwner
Desert-Dog
Dinsdale_Piranha
Doug near DC
DMA
DJ Vertîgo
Domelopper
davidntulsa
DC Smackmaster
Dr Bob
Dash to the hoop
DrDetroit25
DREW
DMAN
Dennis Miller
Duffer
Dewayne
Diego in
Yosemite
dafish in
Jacksonville
EuroClone
elgrandepeehole
EHFAR™ Troll
east coast
chargerfan
Ed Gein
Ed in piececo
Enigma Troll
Escher
ElvisMonster
Ephemeral
eaton_skaggs
Explodo
Flawed Logic
FloydTBarber
flem_snopes
F'ree F'rall
flaming_al
Fatty Magee
Filthy McNastie
freeze
FULL THROTTLE
Funkywhiteboy
SuperFreak
fuzzyballs
Frozen Sooner
Frisco Aggie
Goddess
ggil
gbg
ghoZt
Goofy Foot
Gay Bronco Fan
Gary Troll™man
GimmeFuel
Gen.
Underpants
Hap
Harsh
Hot_Carl
Haywood Giablomi
hardcrow
Hangover
hook echo
Headhunter
HumanTampon
Hey_Mikey!!
Helmet Head
heybungolobill
Headchowd
huh?
Hans
Daunerpants
IRIE LAGOS
Imposter
index
Invictus
inky dave
ironcitydt
IndyClown
IndyGirl
itsanalias
Innocent Bystander
Island Girl 2000
Ian Guerry
Imposter
Imfletch
i'm castor troy
Incognito
JHawkBCD
JAM
Jungle_Kharma
Jimmy
Medalions
Jokey
Jokey's Troll
Jobocky
JOE6PAC
j_niko
Jeff in Tampa
Jack Officer
Troll
Jerkoff™ Troll
Just A Girl
Joseph Smith
John Bender
Johnny Rook
Jack
jsh1putt
JCT
jonmunkyhead
Johnny420
Jesstherookie
jpEnterprize
JDog6
J in SOTEX
Jake in Yorba Linda
JamesX40
kcdave
Kevnic
KevinP
kronick420
kirkworld
KrazyKris
LH
Lethargic
labia
longtimelistener2
Lion
Local News
LoganFan
LoganFan2
LizardKing1971
Lucifer
Lazybones
lazybutgood
missjo
MUDBUGTROLL
Mr. Dingleberry
Maevis
Mr. Plow
Mariner fan
MBM Raiders 4
Life!
MarcusAllen
mofroe
MuchoBulls
Monkey's_Dad
mekakron
MuffDiver
My Jackass007
TROLL
moth
Miss Conduct
monkeychucker
Miguel
moreayeel
Mr. Right
MentrollyDeficient
MRCTM
Miguel
Me_Arty
MgoBlue-LightSpecial
Mike-T in Indy
MulletHunter
NHL Iceman
nostra
Nyeman in the Bay
NorNev
Nerve Pipe
Nastie Valerie
NervousAssistant
neck-troll
naturaldude
ND Domer
Nick Frisco
OmegaVerb
OC-Mike
Out
orenthallives
orenthalisguilty
Omaha Native
orcinus
outlaw
PYTHON
Patty In
Modesto
ppanther
Pelican Pants
PhilABuster
PJEddie
Paging_Mike_Hunt

PresMerkinMuffly
Pavlov's Dog
POP-A-Plane
Pelican Pants
Pogue Mahone
Post-it
Postman
Princess Christina
qbertthal
roger0496
R-Jack
Rootbeer
reina
Russ_from_NoCal
realitytroll
RexVegas
Ross in Big D
rozy
Russ_from_NoCa
Rusty Trombone
REBDOG
Ron Jeremy
Richard Head
RichInOC
Ross302fox
Raiders®
Support Function
Richard Cranium Troll
Reggie Noble
redneckerson
Rubber Band
Man
RubberBabyBuggyBumpers
Roger_the_Shrubber
RedskinzDame
R.C. Collins
Rod in Bham
Smackie Chan
smackable
Scanner
Shoalzie
sailor88
socalvansmack
Stiletto
Samurai
Gangbang
spudbundy
sweetasspimp
III
SPORTSFLEA
Sirfindafold
Superwhitey
Smack-Dawg
Troll-Clone
Smack Referee
Troll
stfu
Sexie Lexie
Sudden Sam
Slickdbones
Show Me
snafu
Spider Jerusalem
SHIZNITT
StankHo
skennedy
shibby
Smack Chat's
newborn baby
SC's newborn
baby's Dad
stota44
s2h
Troll Train
Terry in
Crapchester
t.c.massacre
trevortime
tkdofn
turbo
Troll on the
Grassy Knoll
TROLLomite
tigerhigh
TheArtist
The 80's Man
TEENAGE_MUTANT_NINJATROLL
theshortbus
The Freshmaker
TigerTat
The Gooch
The Dame
The Toe Cutter
TheGame28
toddowen
trevortime
Tdot&luvin'it
tomas
The Smack™bat
thepaintboy
ThumperBIG8
Mr. T from your
sac
Timmy Canuck
toddowen
trollbooth wìllie
The Gateway Rep
TxTarpon
The Un-Trolla
TONY CLIFT0N
TypicalPhillyFan
The Evil Stalker
Troll
The Fattest Sack
TM1
The Vainglorious One
UB6IB9
UP...errr...ON IN
2
UNCLE PHUCKA
UM_Barman
usmcobra
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2
unravellme
Van
Van Plowboy
Valvenis
Virgin Smack Baby
Viper from
Vancouver
velocet
Verstopfung
vitocorleone
Vicon_Demon
weasel
weasel troll
WillMan from
H-town
webmonkey
webchicken
webpidgeon
webgerbil
webrhino
webturtle
webpidgeon
webzebra
webcow
webcat
webarmadillo
Web Lemming
webmoose
webabyseal
webturtle
webkangaroo
WillDogg
Wendy_Lou_Who
Wally Kogen
WAR_FORSBERG
War The
Inevitable
War Parrotheads
WarWagon
Who Gives A
Rats Ass
warren
webdog
Weldun
Wolfie Wolf
yason
Y2K
YouTooClone
Y2Napolean
zztop
Zodiak
83vette
052378



You're welcome, and don't say I never did nuthin' for ya.





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Post by MgoBlue-LightSpecial »

This was posted a couple weeks ago and got sent to TROTS.

I wish you better luck.
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Post by Mikey »

I never make any lists.

~first!!!!!~
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Post by velocet »

Bwa! I didn't see that. Looks like "brass tacks" found my old post from hostboard and decided to use it as his own.

Thanks for the heads up.



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Post by Tom In VA »

Image

Fascinating.








I'm having flashbacks as we speak.
With all the horseshit around here, you'd think there'd be a pony somewhere.
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Post by Cicero »

Adam in Tampa

Damn, that was a long time ago.
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Post by Mikey »

Oops

:oops:

I didn't look hard enough, besides the fact that my memory is failing. My OLD nic is in there...

Hey Mikey!!
Image
He likes it!!!
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Post by MgoBlue-LightSpecial »

Anybody know what happened to Lawman?
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Post by orcinus »

No weborca?

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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Post by Unravel Me »

Whoa!
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Post by velocet »

orcinus wrote:No weborca?

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!



I don't know when B-Lo stopped compiling his, but hey, you're on Perk's, which came later.

Perk's was pretty wild at the time since he just accumulated 'em all himself. B-Lo's monthly census was funny because it was meant to only include "actual posters" and every month unlisted posters would wander in and clamor for inclusion. Which led to some meltdowns since some didn't get any love due their reputedly being someone or other's troll.



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Post by orcinus »

Not mine, velo, but it only makes me hate you more if it's any consolation.
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Post by Tom In VA »

What's shocking is that THREE of SCIII's more influential posters (They were some of my favs) weren't on the list and ....... they only had ONE NIC. But because it had Troll in them.


MCET
Col Kurtz Troll
SirTrollAlot

Three different people, each with one nic, but because it had troll in it. No love.

Fucking revisionist history all up in this joint.

I'm out.
With all the horseshit around here, you'd think there'd be a pony somewhere.
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Post by Cicatrix »

There was a Jokey's Troll?

WTF for?
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Post by Felix »

no Trimmer Troll........

wtf.....
get out, get out while there's still time
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Post by Tom In VA »

REVOLT







I'm IN
With all the horseshit around here, you'd think there'd be a pony somewhere.
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Post by Felix »

Tom In VA wrote:REVOLT







I'm IN
agreed...

let's storm the castle.....
get out, get out while there's still time
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Post by Adelpiero »

rack, didnt make the list




after looking at many on the lists, good ideal not to be on them!
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Post by Tom In VA »

Felix wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:REVOLT







I'm IN
agreed...

let's storm the castle.....
RACK


I'll go first ....


Image


Quick !!! Cast the Charm of Making
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PFFT
Go Bucs, Gators
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Image

Betcha m2 has a set of those.
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Adelpiero wrote:rack, didnt make the list




after looking at many on the lists, good ideal not to be on them!
Because you are worthless.
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Seriously. I don't disagree with a word of it.
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No love velo? Don't hold my team affiliation against me.

:lol:
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Tom In VA wrote:What's shocking is that THREE of SCIII's more influential posters (They were some of my favs) weren't on the list and ....... they only had ONE NIC. But because it had Troll in them.


MCET
Col Kurtz Troll
SirTrollAlot

Three different people, each with one nic, but because it had troll in it. No love.

Fucking revisionist history all up in this joint.

I'm out.
No Thread Closing Troll, either.
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Perk took an ass beating for that, but he man-upped and took it like I do from the reinqueers. That's what makes this place fun. He takes a bunch of shit but has always been cool about it.

I'm still grossed out from OCMike's description of BB. Absolutely horrible imagery that will never leave. 1/8th inch of black tar on her chicklettes/meth mouth will always be disturbing.
BSmack wrote:Best. AP take. Ever.

Seriously. I don't disagree with a word of it.
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For those of you who weren't included in those lists, suck on this. I have at least four Troll nicknames in there. I am giving you the metaphorical middle finger right now.
Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby.
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Rootbeer wrote:For those of you who weren't included in those lists, suck on this. I have at least four Troll nicknames in there. I am giving you the metaphorical middle finger right now.
Did your troll nics suck as bad as this one?
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Atomic Punk wrote:
Adelpiero wrote:rack, didnt make the list




after looking at many on the lists, good ideal not to be on them!
Because you are worthless.
if that list makes me worthwhile, i'm glad to be worthless.

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Post by T1B Nic »

My original nic made M.Perkins' list.

:?
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Shit, I remember those days and towards the end when I once was a M0d. Actually, the others said: "Watch that little shit Bobby42, give him a living but don't bring him into the family business."

Then I joined up in his shithole, got seduced by the dark side and generally fucked up by moving and dropping threads.
Shit happens when you let me drive the bus.
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ROLOW
wow..forgot about him. Boomer Sooner!
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Post by MgoBlue-LightSpecial »

Toddowen wrote:several of us
And by "us" you meant they handled the situation, while you ran behind the house, curled up in a ball and hoped the confrontation would blow over.
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Post by MgoBlue-LightSpecial »

Toddowen wrote:Is there any possibility I could convince you otherwise?
Considering you chose to out yourself long ago as a pathetic, weak-minded pile of worthlessness, probably not.
mind your own business.
You post something in a public forum, and I'm supposed to "mind my own business?" Heh. I don't see this wish of yours working out too well for you.
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Post by DiT »

I made a list :P
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Rootbeer wrote:For those of you who weren't included in those lists, suck on this. I have at least four Troll nicknames in there. I am giving you the metaphorical middle finger right now.
So in other words you're grown up, you're not married, you don't fly jets, and you have four troll nicknames?

Dude, you grew up to be a LOSER.
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Post by bray2 »

I'm still here, you fat cocksuckers..........and this place is better for it.
You know I know, and I know you know that I know.
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Mister Bushice wrote: So in other words you're grown up, you're not married, you don't fly jets, and you have four troll nicknames?

Dude, you grew up to be a LOSER.
Good reset.
I need to watch that movie again.

I never said I had four troll nicknames. I have four troll nicknames in the lists velocet posted. I have registered over a hundred troll nicknames all told. Some of those nicknames were not obvious trolls and had standalone personalities of their own. Several of those standalone nicknames appear in the lists. This gives me some very frosty 'bode. Suck on it.
Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby.
SexieLexie
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Post by SexieLexie »

DiT wrote:I made a list :P
Ha! I made both of them! I win!
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Post by MgoBlue-LightSpecial »

Now that SexieLexie has returned, I hereby demand a Who has the bigger boobs-Off between her and Patsy Stone.

Pics, videos, descriptions (if it comes to that), let's get to it, ladies.
SexieLexie
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Post by SexieLexie »

I don't remember even seeing a pic of Patsy, so I think that should be the first order of buisness.

Hey Mgo! You didn't go off and get married too, did you? Seems like that has plagued all of the hot men here...
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