So I guess the "Big 10" is not all that....

[The Seer]

Y'all got tO$U, lucky at that....and nuthin else.. ya got nuthin....

[Shoalzie]

Anyone following that conference knew they had some good teams lumped together that beat up on each other during league play but really only two contenders. Ohio State seperated themselves from the pack by beating Wisconsin the last two times plus the injury to Butch hurt the Badgers momentum. I'm not at all shocked the Big Ten went down to just one team after this first weekend.

[T REX]

Anyone following that conference knew they had some good teams lumped together that beat up on each other during league play but really only two contenders. Ohio State seperated themselves from the pack by beating Wisconsin the last two times plus the injury to Butch hurt the Badgers momentum. I'm not at all shocked the Big Ten went down to just one team after this first weekend.

Cliche?

[Shine]

Good thing Afflallo is allowed to use two pivot feet and the UCLA players are allowed to grab jerseys on inbounds plays or the Big 10 might have two teams in the Sweet 16.

I wonder how many banners would be hanging in Pauley without Sam Gilbert's help??

How many teams does the mighty ACC have still playing by the way??

[buckeye_in_sc]

not sure but I didn't see too many Big 10er's pimping themselves as the best conference...perhaps you should direct your diatribe at the ACC...7 teams in...#1 RPI conference and they SHIT THE BED BIG TIME...

hats off to the Pac 10...good job...the PAC 10 and SEC are owning with 3 teams each in the 16...congrats...

[Shoalzie]

Anyone following that conference knew they had some good teams lumped together that beat up on each other during league play but really only two contenders. Ohio State seperated themselves from the pack by beating Wisconsin the last two times plus the injury to Butch hurt the Badgers momentum. I'm not at all shocked the Big Ten went down to just one team after this first weekend.

Cliche?

6 teams within records ranging from 10-6 to 8-8...is that not considered "beating up on each other"? I don't think they were a great conference by any means...I would consider them in the mediocre to pretty good category.

[T REX]

Still......cliche.....more in football though.

[Dinsdale]

So, now a shitty conference rife with mediocrity is also described as having "beat itself up"?

Where will it end?

The reason the Big Sky and the Mountain West don't win it all every year is because they "beat each other up" in-conference?

Yet, the PAC did, in fact, "beat each other up" (with a host of badass teams), and how are they doing in The Dance?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

The only reason the PAC didn't run away with the RPI/Sagarin rating as top conference was because Arizona State was sp tremendously bad, that it drug the entire conference down. Take away every conference's worst team, and the PAC becomes the clear #1 rated conference.


Just my worthless $0.02, but Wisconsin looked really really sharp in the early/mid season. The last feww games(just from what I saw), they looked pretty average(and yes, I realize they had injuries...them's the breaks). OSU, despite questionable coaching(uhm, you DO have a big boy down there in the paint...you might consider tossing him the ball every once in a while), looks like they can hang with anyone.


But...if OSU ends up playing Oregon, look for Oldman to spend the whole game on the bench...same way QQMF has dealt with every other team that has a dominant big man they can't guard inside...they make him guard the middle on the other end, and the super-quick guards get airborn before the opposing center can get in position, and either has to foul, or get a front-row seat for a layup. And Oregon hasn't lost to a dominant-bigman team yet, so it must be a sound strategy.


Nice to have a dog in the fight for a change. It's been a few years, and those tournies have been extremely few and far between for Ducksfan...


Oh, and did I mention for the 8,000,000th time that Oregon has eternal BODE for winning the first tourney?

[buckeye_in_sc]

Dins...hope you didn't think I was taking a shot at the Pac 10...I was simply stating that the conference who finished the season as the #1 in RPI and had the most teams in the tourney shit the bed (ACC)...the Pac 10 and SEC again are owning the tourney...

Yes it gets frustrating as tOSU fan that Oden doesn't get the ball more...but eh my name isn't Thad and I am going to assume that he knows what he is doing...

good luck to the Ducks...they looked scary good against my second alma matre...Winthrop...now I got only tOSU left...

[Dinsdale]

good luck to the Ducks...they looked scary good against my second alma matre...Winthrop...now I got only tOSU left...

Damn...if I knew you were a Winthrop guy, I would have made a point to talk a bunch of shit, and accused you of all sorts of acts that are both criminal and distasteful, probably involving livestock.


If people haven't been watching the Midwest games, and/or didn't see the PAC10 tourney, then they can't understand how scary good the Ducks have been since they got over the February slump. I don't think any single game since then has been as close as the score indicates(except the overachieving Miami team in Round 1). QQMF has been calling off the dogs/ducks with a lot of time left on the clock...

And therein lies the weakness...the Ducks have 6-6.5 good players. When you're playing "hot hand ball" and going small while running and gunning, it's nice to have more than 6-7 bodies that are worth a crap. But for the last month, at some point during every game, they go on such an incredible run, that it takes the wind out of the opponent's sails, and the game becomes, in effect, over early. Hope that trend continues. But there's also that deal about "live by the outside shot, die by the outside shot."


Sidenote -- watch out for Oregon next year. While they lose their best player in Aaron Brooks, that 5-star recruiting class of 3 years ago has underachieved so badly, that none of them are NBA material yet, which means they return 4 of the 5 starters for their senior years....and another successful year makes for better recruiting, which makes for more deep runs, which makes for better recruiting...but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[buckeye_in_sc]

^^^^^^^^^

Alma Matre #2 for the MBA

tOSU for Undergrad...

so tOSU is my #1 obviously...but Winthrop is a good club...Greg Marshall will not be there much longer...

[The Seer]

I will kinda root for all the Pac-10 teams in the tourney after UCLA....well maybe not SuC..., but SuC has been playing the best ball in the dance....I really want you to win your next game....

UCLA might be okay next year also, with Chace Stanback coming from Fairfax, and whats-his-name from the U&L......

Sounds like Shine has a case of Championship envy....

[Terry in Crapchester]

The only reason the PAC didn't run away with the RPI/Sagarin rating as top conference was because Arizona State was sp tremendously bad, that it drug the entire conference down.

I know grammar smack is ordinarily weak, but considering the source, I couldn't let this one slide. I did let the typo slide, however.

[TheJON]

The Big-10 sucks?? No shit??? Please tell me that some of you aren't just now making this observation??? I could have told you this back in November. Wisconsin won this many games for a reason........everyone else besides tOSU sucked balls. Heck, Wisconsin won 27 games and they suck ass. I've been saying it all year. I said there was no way in fucking hell this team made it past the 2nd round. Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Illinois, Purdue........they're all about the same. Whoever has the home court wins. If those teams played each other 20 times on a neutral court, we'd all just about go .500. And none of those teams are any good.

[Dinsdale]

The only reason the PAC didn't run away with the RPI/Sagarin rating as top conference was because Arizona State was sp tremendously bad, that it drug the entire conference down.

I know grammar smack is ordinarily weak, but considering the source, I couldn't let this one slide. I did let the typo slide, however.

First off -- I could be on the most psychotic grammarsmack bender in history, and I'm sure I'd still let "drug" slide as a past-tense for "drag."

Second -- "Drug" is a very widely used, and commonly accepted colloquialism for "dragged."


So, Terry...


Please fucking tell me that you didn't just grammarsmack me for using a colloqialism...


In a post in which you used a colloquialism.



Dude, even when you're fucking right you KYOA. And this is why you're Terry. We've come to expect it.

[War Wagon]

colloquialism

colloqialism...

colloquialism

Just wondering, but how does your head keep from exploding? The doc can prescibe some fairly effective meds for that you know. Drugs to keep your head from expoding, that is. I suggest that you make an appointment post-haste.

[DallasFanatic]

I hope the Hoyas get a rematch with your ducks Dins. Its game on if that happens.

Hoyas are playing some pretty damn good ball right now. If Hibbert and Green keep it up they will have a date in the finals.

[Dinsdale]

I hope the Hoyas get a rematch with your ducks Dins.

Both teams are playing much better than they were in that early season matchup, that's for sure.


But on a neutral court, the result will be different -- an even bigger asskicking by the Ducks. Georgetown was the ONLY decent OOC game Oregon had (although Nebraska was supposed to be good).

Like last time, Hibbert will be sitting on the bench with early fouls. I've been pleasantly suprised at how well the Ducks have dealt with big men. The strategy would be laughable at the professional level, but in the NCAA, running it right at the big guys has been deadly. And when they take away Hibbert and Green...the Hoyas ain't much.



But frankly....I think you need to worry about Vandy, and I need to "worry" about UNLV. There's just a couple of games to play before Ducky and Hoya start shit-talking(although one of us has a leg to stand on whilst shit-talking, should that time come).


Georgetown definitely timed things right, and got better as the season went on. Good team...obviously.

[indyfrisco]

All your colloquialisms are belong to us.

[Dinsdale]

Take off every, sig.

[Terry in Crapchester]

So, Terry...


Please fucking tell me that you didn't just grammarsmack me for using a colloqialism...

Colloquialism? Given the word used and the poster who used it, more like a Freudian slip.

[Dinsdale]

more like a Freudian slip.

Nice.


Go Irish.

[OUMO]

All your colloquialisms are belong to us.

Made me smile.

[King Crimson]

i haven't read the thread, but i thought the middling Big 10 teams did all right. Purdue, illinois (choked a little), MSU, and Indiana....they all played good games.

i personally think most Big 10 fans are way too full of themselves (especially in football, and the weird fetish of the Rose Bowl is creepy--that NEVER meant anything before the BCS since about the 70's)....but i don't think you can bash the conference based on this tourney performance.

[The Seer]

but i don't think you can bash the conference based on this tourney performance.

It would be a dereliction of my duty here as a poster to not bash any non Pac-10 conference when the opportunity is ripe to do so....

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

i personally think most Big 10 fans are way too full of themselves

We can't be as obnoxious as SEC or Pac10 fan though, could we?

[The Seer]

i personally think most Big 10 fans are way too full of themselves

We can't be as obnoxious as SEC fan though, could we?

Nope, no way, no how.







ftfy-nc

[T REX]

It is what it is.....

[King Crimson]

i personally think most Big 10 fans are way too full of themselves

We can't be as obnoxious as SEC or Pac10 fan though, could we?

naw, i just get tired of the monopoly of the argument that "the conference is so good, teams knock each other off all the time" parrot job every Big tenner i've ever known justifies life to his or herself.

Pac 10 fans are funny too, with their newly born east coast bias schtick. everyone is out to get the pac 10 and underrate them in malevolent ways.

and as far as SEC fan, i went to Vandy after growing up in Norman and no light escapes from the black hole that is the SEC. outside the SEC you maybe get a box score in the paper of ranked teams. and a little write up that is basically the info you glean from the box: : Reggie Bush ran for 152 yards as the Trojans beat Oregon State, Heisman contender Matt Leinart threw for 249 yards......end of synopsis.

[Shine]

but i don't think you can bash the conference based on this tourney performance.

It would be a dereliction of my duty here as a poster to not bash any non Pac-10 conference when the opportunity is ripe to do so....

Then where the fuck is your thread calling out the ACC???

I posted my bullshit initial response because this is a bullshit thread. There have been exactly ZERO people in here pimping the Big 10 all year. In fact just the opposite took place as there was a thread questioning how many B10 teams would get invites and the general consensus was maybe 4. So while the thread is certainly accurate it is uncalled for. So me pointing out that UCLA had to cheat to get their titles fits the same mold, accurate but uncalled for.

No title envy here seer, I'm okay with IU having the 3rd most titles overall and the most clean titles.

BTW, your Bruins are in store for some nasty karma from the hoops gods for Howland's classless actions at the end of the IU game.

[PSUFAN]

The Big 10 is not all that.

sincerely, PSU fan

Wisconsin looked really really sharp in the early/mid season.

Observers of the Badgers would note that this year ran counter to their long-established pattern...weak early, strong late. They were ranked highly and playing tough early this year, which of course doomed their late-season play.

[buckeye_in_sc]

nobody is as myopic as us!

Sin,

Texas fan (had to get that in there)

oh and I forgot Big 12 fans never pimp their conference or whatever...just sayin


I think this thread may have been more for m2OOOL and Cal?

by the way I agree with Shine from the limited exposure I had in this forum I don't recall a Big 10 person pimping the conference...

just my $.02

carry on...

I also agree with the assessment of the SEC...even in a down year SEC fan claims to be the best...in 2005 the SEC according to Sagarin was the 4th best conference I believe and no way no how was that true...I'll look it up but I believe it was 2005...

[The Seer]

but i don't think you can bash the conference based on this tourney performance.

It would be a dereliction of my duty here as a poster to not bash any non Pac-10 conference when the opportunity is ripe to do so....

So me pointing out that UCLA had to cheat to get their titles fits the same mold, accurate but uncalled for.

Naturally, you have proof and not just typing away like a jealous stepchild. The NCAA probably is going to start removing the banners from Pauley any day due to that "cheating". If the record is that good, they had to cheat, right?


BTW, your Bruins are in store for some nasty karma from the hoops gods for Howland's classless actions at the end of the IU game.

We are dragging that nasty karma with us into the "Elite Eight"

[Shine]

Yeah there sure is no proof UCLA cheated.

If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny (other schools) have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.

According to many UCLA players during the 1960s, Gilbert was known as Papa Sam. His home was always open to the Bruins and it was not uncommon to see several players lounging near his pool with him and his wife Rose on a weekend. The players trusted him as a confidant and a mentor. Players such as Sidney Wicks, Lew Alcindor, Larry Farmer, Bill Walton, and many others all came to Sam for friendship and counsel.

Sam was known to push the NCAA rules to the limit. If a player did not have money for books, he would arrange for the books to be purchased and delivered to the player. If a player needed an apartment, Sam always knew of an available one. Sam helped the players find the best deals on anything they needed.

Many people around the college basketball world have argued that Sam Gilbert committed infractions far worse than those above. Former Long Beach State and UNLV basketball coach Jerry Tarkanian has stated how he believes that the only team in Los Angeles with a higher payroll than the Bruins in the 1960s and 1970s was the Lakers. Tarkanian, along with a slew of others, believe that Gilbert provided the players with cash, cars, and whatever else they needed. Tarkanian’s program at UNLV came under suspicion of NCAA rule infractions and he constantly brought up that UCLA never faced as much pressure from the NCAA in regards to Sam Gilbert’s supposed infractions as his program did because John Wooden was untouchable. It was often noted that John Wooden knew that his players hung out at Sam Gilbert’s house but he had no personal relationship with Sam himself.

In 1981, the UCLA basketball program was placed on probation and UCLA was ordered to disassociate Sam Gilbert from the recruiting process. UCLA was told to disassociate Gilbert from the recruiting process because his name was used to co-sign a loan for a player’s car along with several other infractions.

On one hand, UCLA has a tradition rich with success, class and glory. Good people, great stories, wonderful memories. On the other is the fact the Bruins eviscerated the rule book like no program before or after, but went largely unpunished by a NCAA that wanted no part of taking down its marquee team.

But it is telling that it took Wooden, arguably the greatest coach of all time, 15 seasons to win a national title. Before Gilbert got involved and the talent arrived, the Bruins weren't the best.

Maybe it is Wooden's class that has kept talk of tainted titles to a minimum. But none of this is a secret in basketball. In the late 1970s, after Wooden retired, the Los Angeles Times did an investigation of Gilbert and the NCAA was forced to sanction UCLA, but never vacated any championships. Then there is Walton's book, which couldn't be more damning.
The NCAA never bothered to investigate UCLA during Wooden's time, part of its history of selective enforcement. During the 1960s and '70s, the organization, run by old white men, was too busy going after small, upstart programs that dared to play too many African-Americans, launching inquiries into Texas Western/UTEP, Western Kentucky, Centenary and Long Beach State.

Apparently a team capturing 10 titles in 12 years, putting together undefeated season after undefeated season, recruiting high school All-Americans from all over the country to sit on the bench, yet never having them transfer or declare hardship wasn't enough for it to dawn on anyone at the NCAA that, gee, maybe they're cheating?

[The Seer]

Somebody thought his assistance was over the top and did something about it. Case closed.

Most schools benefitted by having wealthy alumni help "sell" kids into going to their school. Winning 10 championships has a way of attracting attention & scrutiny. All the have-nots exhausted their resources to expose and discredit UCLA and their program.

This never happened due to penalties having to be applied to every school in the country.

Sam Gilbert never played or coached for UCLA.

The 11 Championship banners in Pauley are still there.

Those are the facts.

Sorry.

[Shine]

Wooden got un-sanctioned help from Papa Sam, help that ultimatley DID get UCLA on probation and forced a split between the two parties.

Harrick hung a banner in Pauley by cheating.

Those are the facts.

Sorry.

[BraveFan]

I disagree. I think the Big Ten played pretty well this tourney. OSU is in the Final Four, albeit with a couple close calls. Purdue beat Arizona and then hung with Florida all the way until the end of that game -- really could've went either way. Indiana beat the Zags and hung with UCLA, only losing by 5. Wisconsin played without one of their most important players at the end of the year and ended up getting ousted by a good UNLV team in a very close game. Illinois did lose in the 1st round, but only after a late-game collapse against a team (Virginia Tech) that finished one game out of first place in the ACC. Michigan State was 8-8 in Big Ten play and was beating UNC with 8 minutes left in the game.

Only OSU made it deep, but it was far from an embarrassing showing from the B-10. Probably the 3rd or 4th best conference this year -- PAC and SEC looked a cut above. An argument could be made for the B-10 after that in terms of overall depth and "quality" losses in the tourney..... although the ACC, B-12 and B-East were all right there.