I don't think he meant that as a compliment. :cry:PSUFAN wrote:Wow, The Vaginal One is in rare form tonight.
Does any other nation but ours...
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Don't "math" me tonight. I was metaphorically speaking of drill bit sizes. Now, before you "go there" with "Ahhh! I got ZZ with some homo smack" shit, save it for those that have the time and inclination to reach down to your chin level... or up if the future respondents live above the Northern border.Moving Sale wrote:If you had gone to 15/16ths, I probably would have gone to 7/8ths.Atomic Punk wrote:You are a tough negotiator.
Dumbass.
Have a good night paht-nah!
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It is wrong though, all the reasons for which I went on to describe in great detail....it isn’t wrong because it is illegal which you insinuated by bolding ‘illegal’ in your first post….
Oh, and yes, according to your government the simple notion that it is in fact illegal makes it "wrong".
"Bad", even!
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A) Not true. Only that it is 'wrong' for America. Well not America but their wallets,Van wrote: Oh, and yes, according to your government the simple notion that it is in fact illegal makes it "wrong".
which brings us to point
B) A notion which you tried to gravy train off of. Problem is the government is full of asswipes who couldn't give two $hit$ about right from wrong.
KYOA much you vapid tard?
You're right I have never used that word before so I must have just learned it in this thread.
Do you EVER get tired of sounding like a dumbass?
Nice dodge BTW.
Do you EVER get tired of sounding like a dumbass?
Nice dodge BTW.
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Right and wrong are little more than practical ideas. Unchecked immigration swamping social programs, medical facilities and driving the economy down into the floor is wrong. As PSU keeps going off about like a parrot, yes...the employers in the country have a large share in creating this problem. Even with this a given, for reasons of security and control an exploding population of anonymous illegals is an important issue. With regards to America's future as a prosperous nation, floods of third world immigrants crossing our borders unchecked is "wrong". That Tyson chicken can pay jack shit and drive their costs down hiring bundles of illegals makes it "right" for them and that large swathes of the political sector can get fat off the growing hispanic minority influence and vote makes it "right" for them, but our nation's wellbeing outweighs those concerns. So, yes it is wrong for America...as Americans, that's what matters and your point still seems like a lot of empty air.Moving Sale wrote:A) Not true. Only that it is 'wrong' for America. Well not America but their wallets,Van wrote: Oh, and yes, according to your government the simple notion that it is in fact illegal makes it "wrong".
which brings us to point
B) A notion which you tried to gravy train off of. Problem is the government is full of asswipes who couldn't give two $hit$ about right from wrong.
KYOA much you vapid tard?
I did no such thing. I said it is wrong for their wallets. Money isn't everything Van. Not to mention that making them legal gets rid of the $ argument.Van wrote:TVO, this thread is about....you guessed it...America.
That's the "nation" I'm referring to in the thread title. You admit it's "wrong" for America.
Because you are so fucking obtuse that you can't see that your 'illegal' argument was shit and so you spun and spun and spun? No Van you are a fucking tard with a shit argument and I am right about the illegal status being a red herring.Duh??
Game over. Gawd, you really suck at this.
You can go fuck yourself.
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Maybe so, but forced deportation of illegals could have the same effect.Van wrote:No denying that.
Doesn't change the fact though that coming here as an illegal often as not serves to break up families, which is the opposite of SoCal's point.
Illegals do manage to have children in the U.S., and those children, by definition, are U.S. citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. If you deport their parents, then you are effectively deporting U.S. citizens as well. And to quote what Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said about welfare, "You can't take it out on the children. It just isn't allowed."
Illegal immigration is a complex issue with no easy answers. Espousing any other position is grandstanding, plain and simple.
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U.S. Constitution, Amendment XIVCicero wrote:mvscal wrote: If you aren't born to US citizens, you aren't one.
Have to agree w/ that.
That's hardly a "loophole," and it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change it.All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
War Wagon wrote:The first time I click on one of your youtube links will be the first time.
Whoever is for that new amendment has my vote........Terry in Crapchester wrote:U.S. Constitution, Amendment XIVCicero wrote:mvscal wrote: If you aren't born to US citizens, you aren't one.
Have to agree w/ that.
That's hardly a "loophole," and it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change it.All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Maybe so, but forced deportation of illegals could have the same effect.Van wrote:No denying that.
Doesn't change the fact though that coming here as an illegal often as not serves to break up families, which is the opposite of SoCal's point.
Illegals do manage to have children in the U.S., and those children, by definition, are U.S. citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. If you deport their parents, then you are effectively deporting U.S. citizens as well. And to quote what Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said about welfare, "You can't take it out on the children. It just isn't allowed."
Illegal immigration is a complex issue with no easy answers. Espousing any other position is grandstanding, plain and simple.
When do we get to the part of the discussion about said children becoming Latino gang members or the dredges of society? Someone shout at me when we get to that part.
mvscal wrote:Not a problem.Terry in Crapchester wrote: it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change it.
Yeah, like that's going to spearheaded by either party, in this or any other lifetime.
And easy to say, after your family already crossed.
By that logic, the Indians here or in New Mexico or Arizonia should pass state consitutional amendments effectively denying citizenship to all the whites.
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:medsroll:Van Laffer Curve wrote:Gas prices are still dictated by supply and demand, among other things. So, yes, if the number is twelve million illegals in this country then you can be damn sure they're more than doing their part to increase demand for gas.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I stuck behind the various late model SUV driven my us legal folk.
Van Treehugger wrote:Gotta then balance the six to a car factor with the fact that the car is a wheezing old Datsun B210 spewing god knows what into the air...
Hmmm. :-)
Van Libido wrote:Oh, and btw...
SoCal wrote:Something, something...yada yada...All my female relatives are from South America...and further more....dither dather...bunches of nothings, etc...Did I mention that I'm constantly sportin' wood at family gatherings 'cause of all the fuggen HOT latina chicks in my family...
Van wrote:Kumbaya, asshats.
R-Jack wrote:Yes, that just happened.Atomic Punk wrote:So why did you post it?
So was the founding of this country.TiC wrote:Illegal immigration is a complex issue with no easy answers.
So is finding a woman who legitimately squirts when she cums.
So is Tex Winters' Triangle offense.
So? Is the answer then to simply do nothing because it's a complex issue with no easy answers?
Not a whole lottta progress was ever made by succumbing to that attitude.
Leaving it at that and then failing to offer anything more is pure "Sincerely, Marcus Allen" stuff, plain and simple.Espousing any other position is grandstanding, plain and simple.
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These two are even on the same level with the other? C'mon, you can't believe that.Van wrote:So is finding a woman who legitimately squirts when she cums.TiC wrote:Illegal immigration is a complex issue with no easy answers.
So is Tex Winters' Triangle offense.
I didn't say that, now did I? More than anything, that was just a criticism of those who try to make this out to be an easy issue. That's pretty easy to do when you're just bantering behind a keyboard, but crafting a real-life solution is something else entirely.So? Is the answer then to simply do nothing because it's a complex issue with no easy answers?
I'll admit, I haven't given it much thought. And there's a reason for that. If you subscribe to the adage that "all politics is local," truth be told, it's not a real huge issue where I live. I won't go so far as to say that there are no illegals around here, given that agriculture is a pretty big industry here, and the agricultural industry is a major employer of illegals. But like I said before, in these parts if you say "Hispanic" or "Latino," you're usually referring to Puerto Ricans, not Mexicans. Also, last I checked, there's an awful lot of land between here and the Mexican border.Leaving it at that and then failing to offer anything more is pure "Sincerely, Marcus Allen" stuff, plain and simple.Espousing any other position is grandstanding, plain and simple.
Having said all of that, of the choices I've heard so far, the Kennedy-McCain proposal makes the most sense to me. The numbers I'm hearing are 11-12 million illegals in the country. Given that we couldn't round up 200,000 people for purposes of evacuating New Orleans prior to Katrina, I just don't see the infrastructure in place to round up that many people and ship them back to Mexico, especially since they're somewhat spread out.
And Kennedy-McCain is not "amnesty", it creates a number of hoops for these people to jump through before they can become citizens. The ones who make the cut would, in all likelihood, be every bit as motivated to become citizens as those immigrants who came here legally.
But, in any event, I think this issue has become so laden with emotions, that no solution will placate a sufficient majority, and therefore, nothing will get done. I hope I'm wrong, but that's just the sense I have.
War Wagon wrote:The first time I click on one of your youtube links will be the first time.
I like it.Give business the tools they need to verify an immigrant's documentation and enforce the immigration laws already on the books.
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Fuck all of that.
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Care for the moon on a string, also?
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PSUFAN wrote:I like it.Give business the tools they need to verify an immigrant's documentation and enforce the immigration laws already on the books.
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I hate it.
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Fuck all of that.
-most industries you'd care to name
Care for the moon on a string, also?
-enforcement agencies
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But my point was easy to get and you still FUBARed it. How do you expect to 'get' something that is complex when you can't grasp the easiest of issues?Van wrote:So was the founding of this country.TiC wrote:Illegal immigration is a complex issue with no easy answers.
So is finding a woman who legitimately squirts when she cums.
So is Tex Winters' Triangle offense.
About average. Never has a client got the max. About 10% walk. 10% go to trial and a little over half of them walk. 80% plea to something usually less than DA offered originally. As far as stuff like terminating probation and getting people back into deferred judgment or prop 36 I get those done 80% of the time but I pick and chose those so the % should be higher. As far as suppression motions and 995s those are hard to win so somewhere around 5%.jtr wrote:tvo whats your record as a lawyer in terms of win-losses? just curious.
What is your record at auditions?
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Van wrote:Kumbaya, asshats.
R-Jack wrote:Yes, that just happened.Atomic Punk wrote:So why did you post it?