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The Seer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:08 am

Mikey wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:42 am

The Seer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 1:36 am Waaahhhh!

Nice work articulating a response to the point made by 88...though I do understand the challenge.....Just in case you Biden'd the question:

If the government issued a free ID card to every citizen and then required it to be presented in order to vote, would that be racist?

88 wrote:Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:28 pm

88 wrote:Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:17 pm It is impossible to come up with a legitimate reason to NOT have to provide ID to vote.

No it's not.

Requiring citizens to obtain documents that cost money in order to vote is in effect, a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Glad I could help you out.

smackaholic wrote:It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:32 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 5:17 pm It is impossible to come up with a legitimate reason to NOT have to provide ID to vote.

No it's not.

Requiring citizens to obtain documents that cost money in order to vote is in effect, a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Glad I could help you out.

Wrong.

Bills have been proposed that cover the cost for these fictional characters who don’t possess suitable ID already.

But you fukkers have your business model. Mass mail in voting which has absolutely no way of validating and pretty near no way of catching fraud.

A simple look at the results last time around have one viable explanation.

Mass vote harvesting.

It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

Rack you fukkers for gaming the system.

The trouble is this laughing g stock of an electoral system will eventually end in no electoral system.

This should worry you.


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88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:12 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:03 am

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:17 am If the government issued a free ID card to every citizen and then required it to be presented in order to vote, would that be racist?

Depends on whether the place to obtain said free ID card is w/in a reasonable distance for those w/o their own vehicle or DL. If it's an all-day trip on multiple buses to get that card it's probably going to be viewed as racist if those areas w/o a nearby DMV that are populated mostly by minorities. Although you probably never referred to it in your legal career you might want to re-familiarize yourself with the 14th Amendment. And that goes double for you morons arguing whether voting is a right or not.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

Softball Bat wrote:

smackaholic wrote:It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

False.

The explanation is that people witnessed 4 years of a sociopath in the oval office.
Then they saw the child's completely unhinged act in the first presidential debate, and they voted in large numbers to make sure such a nightmare would be put to bed.

Dump lost.

The end.




#tears

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:20 pm Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:20 pm Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Put aside your insane hatred for TBOM for a moment and think about it.


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Softball Bat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:28 pm

88 wrote:Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:55 pm voting (not dangerous)

Diego in Seattle wrote:

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:20 pm Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Can you provide any proven incidents of voter fraud via mail ballots?

Diego in Seattle wrote:So conservatives want databases for voting (not dangerous) and driving (potentially dangerous), but the don't want databases for deadly weapons.

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:51 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:20 pm Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Can you provide any proven incidents of voter fraud via mail ballots?

No, I can’t. And that’s part of the problem. It is a system which is very easy to cheat and hard to get caught.

Can you explain to me how exactly you can validate a mailed in ballot?

You can’t.

smackaholic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:20 pmPop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

The Seer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:00 pm

poptart wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2024 3:28 pm

88 wrote:Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

You mean like state driver's licenses and all the mayhem they're creating? Of course now that the Marxists want non citizens to vote they've been issuing driver's licenses to those same people.

As for surveillance state, I don't find that worse than one party corrupting elections in their aim for one party rule...and which party do you think would do most surveilling....the party of less Govt or the party of chaos?

88BuckeyeGrad wrote:I hate to be the one who breaks the news to you, but we already have a lot of national ID's, Vlad. The primary national ID is issued by the Social Security Administration, but is used by the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies. If you choose to travel to another country, you need a passport, which is another form of national ID. I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:57 pm I hate to be the one who breaks the news to you, but we already have a lot of national ID's, Vlad. The primary national ID is issued by the Social Security Administration, but is used by the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies. If you choose to travel to another country, you need a passport, which is another form of national ID. I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

88 wrote:I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

smackaholic wrote:TBOM needed to be stopped by any means necessary, so Pop was willing to look the other way during that “unusual” election.

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 9:21 pm.

"Your papers, please!"

"This ID expired three weeks ago. You are UNDER ARREST!"

Diego in Seattle wrote:I always like how conservatives say that there was fraud in the 2020 election but are perfectly willing to accept that Moscow Mitch was reelected to the Senate with a 32% approval rating.

smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:50 pm That is a shitty situation which undermines trust and leads to shitshow like the Jan 6 “insurrection”.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:49 pm

smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 12:50 pm That is a shitty situation which undermines trust and leads to shitshow like the Jan 6 “insurrection”.

That's fucking nonsense. What undermines trust and leads to the show like the Jan 6 insurrection (don't kid yourself, it was a violent assault on the seat of our government) is when the president sews doubts in the legitimacy of our election system to maintain power, encourages an angry mob to congregate on the Mall and foists this mob on lawmakers. You and your orange hero remain disgusting, vile and traitorous piles of human excrement. You can never go fuck yourself enough.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:49 pm What undermines trust and leads to the show like the Jan 6 insurrection (don't kid yourself, it was a violent assault on the seat of our government) is when the president sews doubts in the legitimacy of our election system to maintain power, encourages an angry mob to congregate on the Mall and foists this mob on lawmakers.

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:43 pm For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to question the legitimacy of our election system.

For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to encourage people to assemble and attempt to petition the Government to redress their grievances.

Hate the Constitution much?

As far as violence is concerned, I agree that it is abhorrent. But almost nothing violent happened until the mall cops started shooting rubber bullets at and gassing protestors. The videos from that day have been released. I encourage you would watch them. Yes, I'm talking about the videos that the January 6 Committee refused to let the public see.

And remember that January 6 occurred after a summer and fall of violence preceding the election. I guess its OK for lawmakers to encourage angry mobs to congregate in communities and the foist those mobs on unarmed small businesses and individuals. But I guess it is not OK for the same lawmakers to get a taste of their own medicine.

If January 6 was a planned insurrection, it was the dumbest one ever conceived. Where were the weapons? The only people who died were unarmed protestors. So much of January 6 has been hyperbolized and lied about. The cop that shot Ashli Babbit lied under oath. So did other members of the police who tried to defend his actions. Does that sew doubts in the legitimacy of our systems?

Why are you not up in arms about the three-year Russia collusion hoax? Was that interference with the peaceful transfer of power?

You are a one tune fraud. Felch on.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:49 pm …when the president sews doubts…

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 10:43 pm Does that sew doubts…

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:10 pm Another traitor checks in. You would love Russia. Even in the winter. Your type of place!

88BuckeyeGrad wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:10 pm Another traitor checks in. You would love Russia. Even in the winter. Your type of place!

Incredible rebuttal. Point by point, spot on.

This is why guys like you, with chins glistening with your master’s essence, are so well regarded.

88BuckeyeGrad wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:49 am Incredible rebuttal. Point by point, spot on.

This is why guys like you, with chins glistening with your master’s essence, are so well regarded.

The Seer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:20 pm Prior to the China virus elections were primarily done via paper ballot, same day voting.