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The GQP has obviously had a change of heart on vaccines and is now encouraging all its voters to get vaccinated as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated. This has been lead by Sean Hannity and Mitch McConnell.

Perhaps the GQP and Fox realized that killing off your voter base isn't a winning electoral strategy. Duh.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 am The GQP has obviously had a change of heart on vaccines and is now encouraging all its voters to get vaccinated as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated. This has been lead by Sean Hannity and Mitch McConnell.

Perhaps the GQP and Fox realized that killing off your voter base isn't a winning electoral strategy. Duh.

The Turtle realized that the Delta Variant is gonna take out mostly conservative voters (Charles Darwin picture goes here), and Sean Hannity changed his tune when his bosses changed changed theirs after consulting their attorneys regarding liability on making false medical claims as well as on employee admittance:

SM wrote:as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated

I don't paln to post any takes in this thread, but I think you intended to say unvaccinated here, didn't you?

Roach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:59 pm Oh please. Hannity and his ilk (Don Lemmon, Wolf, name any one ) are just base media whores. Nothing more than prompter puppets, actors with good hair and camera appeal. Able to read with emotion what is fed them.


Now he blows with he wind. No surprise here.

And that makes them different than say CNN anchors how?

Roach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:59 pm Oh please. Hannity and his ilk (Don Lemmon, Wolf, name any one ) are just base media whores. Nothing more than prompter puppets, actors with good hair and camera appeal. Able to read with emotion what is fed them.

Hannity may be one of the most narcissistic and false of all, full of indignation when he pleases.

Now he blows with he wind. No surprise here.

Sad that this is what our news has become. But these stations are just feeding people what they want, vs just reporting the facts.

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:42 pm

SM wrote:as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated

I don't paln to post any takes in this thread, but I think you intended to say unvaccinated here, didn't you?

Correct

As horrific as Fauci's toss was, it was probably one of his better performances over the last year and a half.

The guy is 80 years old. You were expecting a 95 mph fastball over the plate?

I'd like to see what Nolan Ryan could do at 74.

smackaholic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:31 pm As horrific as Fauci's toss was, it was probably one of his better performances over the last year and a half.

You hate Fauci because he told Americans the truth while your fascist death cult leader lied to Americans and told us how it was going to go away with the warm weather, like a miracle, and that we should take bleach injections and UV light exposure to prevent Covid-19. All while he knew how bad Covid-19 was but lied and gaslighted Americans about it and interfered with containment measures.

You are a pinhead beneath contempt.

Watching Darwin work has always been money.

Looks like libs for another 100 years.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:08 pm
You hate Fauci because he told Americans the truth

Was that the truth when he told us early on that mask usage was unnecessary? Or was it truth when he later told us masks were necessary? Or was it a purposeful lie to help the medical community secure masks and PPE at the expense of the general public?

Left Seater wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:20 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:08 pm
You hate Fauci because he told Americans the truth

Was that the truth when he told us early on that mask usage was unnecessary? Or was it truth when he later told us masks were necessary? Or was it a purposeful lie to help the medical community secure masks and PPE at the expense of the general public?

A couple of weeks ago the FAA allowed pilots to fly their aircraft about 30 miles north of Great Falls, MT.. Now the FAA is saying that one can't fly there. Did the FAA lie, or did the facts change?

Facts don’t change. Facts are facts, period.

And you want to go back to aircraft/aviation references after so thoroughly kicking your own ass the last time you tried the subject?

Left Seater wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:36 pm Facts don’t change. Facts are facts, period.

Facts change all the time as new information/date becomes available. See weather.

Wrong again as per usual.

It is either raining or it is not. It can’t rain and then later be reported that during the same earlier time it didn’t rain.

if you are an unvaccinated Steelers player, people are going to know it. According to Pro Football Talk,
the team has announced if a player isn’t vaccinated, they will be wearing a yellow wristband in practice...

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... ce=twitter





O_o



Why?





Steeler management: Since you're not vaccinated, poptart, you'll need to wear this yellow wristband.

poptart: No thanks. Next?

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:01 pm if you are an unvaccinated Steelers player, people are going to know it. According to Pro Football Talk,
the team has announced if a player isn’t vaccinated, they will be wearing a yellow wristband in practice...

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2021/ ... ce=twitter





O_o



Why?





Steeler management: Since you're not vaccinated, poptart, you'll need to wear this yellow wristband.

poptart: No thanks. Next?

What's the problem? If you wantonly remaining a disease vector, you should be treated as such.

If you are vaccinated (supposedly protected), you're good, no?

So why are non-vaccinated players being told to wear this marker?

Why?


I'd like to read your answer.

Here's what I don't understand. The NFL is requiring coaches to ge the vaccine, but not the players?

Most coaches like players are under a contract. If the coaches contracts can be modified to force the vaccine, why can't the players contracts be modified as well?

But this line from a recent story really caught my eye:

Pelissero reports all 32 teams have at least a 50% vaccination rate among their active roster.

So a good number of NFL players are not taking the shots. This is not going to help the shot uptake within the minority communities.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:28 pm The majority of blacks are NOT getting the shot. The NFL is once again trying to be politically correct.

I honestly don't care who gets the shot and who doesn't. I got my shots, but I don't have anything against those who don't. It's personal choice. Lots of liberals are wanting it mandatory - but you won't see them say shit about this.

I look at it like abortion. Personal choice...

Really hate to break it to you, but abortions are NOT the same as infectious disease. Jesus Christ, are you need of any other awakenings?

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:37 pm

Really hate to break it to you, but abortions are NOT the same as infectious disease. Jesus Christ, are you need of any other awakenings?

We agree there. Abortion is murder.

Buttsy wrote:t's personal choice.

That's right.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can get, and spread, the virus.
And the vaccinated people are supposedly protected.

Then there is no reason at all to place a marker on those who have chosen not to take the shots (non-FDA approved, btw).




#scarlet_letter

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:08 am

Buttsy wrote:t's personal choice.

That's right.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can get, and spread, the virus.
And the vaccinated people are supposedly protected.

Then there is no reason at all to place a marker on those who have chosen not to take the shots (non-FDA approved, btw).




#scarlet_letter

The primary intent of the vaccine is to greatly lessen the damage the virus does to people, not prevent infection. But while the vaccine is proving very effective in also preventing infection, it's not it's primary mission.

And there's still a lot we don't know about how the vaccinated fare when it comes to long-haul covid. 30% of non-vaccinated end up with either long-haul or lifelong health issues from covid, but we don't know if the percentage is the same with those have received the shot but get infected.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:26 am We agree there. Abortion is murder.

Abortion is only murder if the earth is flat.

Nice mental gymnastics.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:15 pm Nice mental gymnastics.

Says the person who thinks that facts don't change, even with new information/data.

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:41 pmFacts change all the time as new information/date becomes available.

Facts do not change. By definition, a fact is "a thing that is known or proved to be true." Don't mistake the highlighted word for believed, which it appears you are doing. No amount of new information or data can change a fact, but it can change what is believed to be true. "2+2=4" is a fact. It will not change. What is believed to be true today regarding COVID and many other issues based on science or any other "authority," without having conclusively been proven to be a fact, can change. "You're getting your ass handed to you in this thread" may not be factual, but it's pretty damn close.

See weather.

WTF does that have to do with facts?

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 am The GQP has obviously had a change of heart on vaccines and is now encouraging all its voters to get vaccinated as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated. This has been lead by Sean Hannity and Mitch McConnell.

Perhaps the GQP and Fox realized that killing off your voter base isn't a winning electoral strategy. Duh.

The vaccinations are a mass human experimentation event.

Smackie Chan wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:25 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:41 pmFacts change all the time as new information/date becomes available.

See weather.

WTF does that have to do with facts?

Meteorologist says it's going to rain on Friday.

It doesn't rain on Friday.

Was the meteorologist lying?

Diego in Seattle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:28 pmMeteorologist says it's going to rain on Friday.

It doesn't rain on Friday.

Was the meteorologist lying?

Yes, sorta. He actually just made an incorrect prediction, but worded it in such a way that it could be interpreted as a lie. But it is irrelevant to this discussion. A fact is "an occurrence in the real world." When the meteorologist says on Thursday that it's going to rain on Friday, the occurrence has yet to take place, and therefore we are not dealing with the world of facts. A good meteorologist would word his forecast something like "rain is expected on Friday" or "there's a strong chance of rain on Friday." If you accept "it's going to rain on Friday" as a fact (which, by any definition, it isn't), then it doesn't rain, and you interpret this series of events as facts changing due to the emergence of new information or data, the fact is that you are an idiot. Once raindrops start falling on Friday, however, no amount of new data or information can change the fact that it rained on Friday, and conversely, if it didn't rain on Friday, no amount of new information can change that fact. The occurrence has already happened in the real world, and it is unchangeable. The past can't be altered, even if the retelling of history can.

Cite me an example of a fact that has changed because of new data or information. Just one will do.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:14 pm

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:08 am

Buttsy wrote:t's personal choice.

That's right.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can get, and spread, the virus.
And the vaccinated people are supposedly protected.

Then there is no reason at all to place a marker on those who have chosen not to take the shots (non-FDA approved, btw).




#scarlet_letter

Here's a good story that maybe you can understand.

Had a friend who was completely like you as far as being against getting vaccinated. His wife got her shots and he didn't. He came down with C19. She tested and she had it as well.

She never felt a thing. He died.

Hope that helps you out.

It might not have helped Pops out, but it probably helped her out.

Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:17 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:56 am The GQP has obviously had a change of heart on vaccines and is now encouraging all its voters to get vaccinated as Covid-19 has become a pandemic among the vaccinated. This has been lead by Sean Hannity and Mitch McConnell.

Perhaps the GQP and Fox realized that killing off your voter base isn't a winning electoral strategy. Duh.

The vaccinations are a mass human experimentation event.

Pretty much so.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:14 pm

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:08 am

Buttsy wrote:t's personal choice.

That's right.

Both vaccinated and unvaccinated can get, and spread, the virus.
And the vaccinated people are supposedly protected.

Then there is no reason at all to place a marker on those who have chosen not to take the shots (non-FDA approved, btw).




#scarlet_letter

Here's a good story that maybe you can understand.

Had a friend who was completely like you as far as being against getting vaccinated. His wife got her shots and he didn't. He came down with C19. She tested and she had it as well.

She never felt a thing. He died.

Hope that helps you out.

I think there might be some situations where a case could be made for taking the shots.
Maybe.

But imo those situations would be rare.



Last but not least, it must be emphasized that those calling themselves ‘experts’ while pretending that
this pandemic is ‘a pandemic among the non-vaccinated’ are devoid of any scientific insight in the
evolutionary dynamics of Sars-CoV-2 as currently shaped by a combination of high viral infectivity and
vaccine coverage rates. Neither the vaccinated (who merely believed the vaccine would protect them
from Covid-19 disease) nor the non-vaccinated (who simply believe there is no need for them to take
the vaccine in order to stay protected) are to be blamed for the escalation of this pandemic. Mass
vaccination is the one and only culprit.

- Geert

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/



I believe I will stop posting on this topic.
People know my view.

Nothing more from me (until further down the road) unless someone speaks directly to me, asks me something, or tries to bust my balls. :)

Does your tune change when the vaccine moves to fully approved?

Left Seater wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:53 pm Does your tune change when the vaccine moves to fully approved?

There is a lot to be said about your question. Too much to get into now.
We'll cross that bridge if/when we get there.


Btw, Smackie is of course correct with what he said about "facts."

Facts cannot change. They are -----> truth.

People sometimes put things forth as fact, when they are not actually fact.
The person might be full of shit, or sometimes new information comes forward to shoot down something(s) people had previously considered to be fact.

Conclusions are not always fact.

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:01 amFacts cannot change. They are -----> truth.

While what you say is true (facts are truth), truth is not necessarily factual and can change from person to person and over time. Facts are indisputable and immutable. Facts are, in essence, a subset of truth. As a man of g0d, your truth is comprised of a combination of facts, faith, and beliefs. Based on what you've posted over the years, you believe what's written in the Bible to be the truth, even though much of it can't be verified as factual. This isn't a knock against you (necessarily), but rather an example of where truth and facts diverge regarding their definitions, and shows that while facts are always true, truth isn't always factual.

People sometimes put things forth as fact, when they are not actually fact.

Very true.

The person might be full of shit, or sometimes new information comes forward to shoot down something(s) people had previously considered to be fact.

This is what is (mistakenly, imo) referred to as historical fact, and provided the opening that Diego could have tried to exploit as an argument against my response to him. Historical facts aren't true facts, since their interpretation and even veracity can change over time, meaning they are not indisputable or immutable and therefore not true facts. A more accurate statement you could have made above would have been "...had previously considered to be true."

Conclusions are not always fact.

Of course.