Gridlock in DC

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:17 pm

It's Dulles. And it was 1".

Local jurisdictions here are notorious for lack of preparation for snow. I went out last night for groceries around 9 and the streets were complete ice in my part of, where else, the District. I love to blame idiot drivers for failing to properly drive in adverse weather, but I can't blame them for last night. It's been freezing all week and the snow immediately hit the ground and became ice. Local jurisdictions didn't bother to put out salt. Arlington put out brine. BRINE. :?

If we lived in an irrelevant shithole like KC, nobody would care about our weather issues.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:24 pm

Most places south of the Mason-Dixon are ill prepared for snow and ice. I laughed at my son who moved to the DC area a year ago, actually had to go out and buy a snow shovel.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:27 pm

I'm guessing someone told the powers that be in DC that ice and sleet can control the rampant spread of Syphillis. They are probably out of ideas at this point.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:32 pm

R-Jack wrote:I'm guessing someone told the powers that be in DC that ice and sleet can control the rampant spread of Syphillis. They are probably out of ideas at this point.

We wish it was just syphillis.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:34 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:Arlington put out brine. BRINE. :?

Yes, dumbfuck, brine.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:36 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
R-Jack wrote:I'm guessing someone told the powers that be in DC that ice and sleet can control the rampant spread of Syphillis. They are probably out of ideas at this point.
We wish it was just syphillis.

Just one STD can't justify the outrageous cost of living. You're paying for the whole shebangabang.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:52 pm

mvscal wrote:
Yes, dumbfuck, brine.

It apparently didn't work, dumbfuck. What's wrong with salt? Salt works.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:18 pm

Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:41 pm

mvscal wrote:Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.

I thought it was just that marvelous flavor that comes through with a wonderfully fresh oyster.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:52 pm

mvscal wrote:Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.

More properly it is sale water with a concentration of >5% salt. Whereas rock salt is 100% salt.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:02 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
It apparently didn't work, dumbfuck. What's wrong with salt? Salt works.

Ask the EPA around the corner.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:05 pm

Left Seater wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:
It apparently didn't work, dumbfuck. What's wrong with salt? Salt works.
Ask the EPA around the corner.

Don't blame the fucking EPA. We still use rock salt throughout the northeast. What's their fucking excuse?

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:06 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Yes, dumbfuck, brine.
It apparently didn't work, dumbfuck. What's wrong with salt? Salt works.

Salt works if temps stay above 15 degrees. Otherwise...

Roadway crews are now using more effective measures to prevent dangerous road conditions. Using salt brines, which is any liquid salt mixture, before anticipated snowfall was discovered to be more effective than using solid rock salt.

Brines have the same melting characteristics of solid rock salt, but since it is applied in liquid form, the salt can begin to work immediately. The brines are also more effective in lower temperatures.

The use of brines is known as anti-icing or pre-wetting measures.

Anti-icing can be accomplished by using traditional salt brine (usually a 23 percent salt solution, derived from rock salt) and applying to roadways in preparation for snow and ice. Alternate sources of brine, including agricultural by-products such as beet juice, are also being used in certain states.

Using salt brines proves not only to be more effective on roads, but it is also cost effective. It takes four times less salt to prevent ice accumulation than to remove ice after it has formed.

However (not that this would matter to you), it also fucks up cars faster.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:11 pm

FWIW the use of salt is banned in national parks (sand is used).

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:05 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote:FWIW the use of salt is banned in national parks (sand is used).

Same in the Adirondack Park in NY. Last I checked, the beltway isn't designated "forever wild."

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:06 pm

Diego in Seattle wrote: (sand is used).

Which is basically worthless.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:07 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:Salt works if temps stay above 15 degrees. Otherwise...

Salt works down to about 10 degrees and it works best in heavy traffic situations, like the beltway, where passing traffic can work it into the pavement.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:25 pm

mvscal wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote: (sand is used).
Which is basically worthless.

Obviously doesn't melt ice (or lower the freezing temperature) but maybe it provides better traction.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:41 pm

mvscal wrote:
Diego in Seattle wrote: (sand is used).
Which is basically worthless.

I never had a problem with losing traction. And that includes one winter where there was always snow/ice on the ground between November & March.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:46 pm

They use some kind of pellets over here that melt to the pavement.

Looks almost like sleet.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:57 pm

No rock salt here. Bad for the road surface, bad for the plants, bad for the fish. Before ice is expected, they use a magnesium chloride brine on major roadways. Bear in mind, you generally can't go very far around here without going over a steep hill...

so when it snows every couple of years, we just stay home, for the most part. Usually melts in a day.

We actually had snow, maybe 3 weeks ago... like a half inch. Was all good, no prob... until it warmed up, then cooled right back down, and then the freezing rain came.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:12 pm

mvscal wrote:Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.

It's watered down salt. Is there anything you haven't been dead wrong about yet? Go fuck yourself, cunt.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:14 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Christ!

Move your asses below the M-D Line so you don't have to worry about that shit.

No, wait...forget I said that.

Not so fast...

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:40 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
mvscal wrote:Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.
It's watered down salt.

Which works better than salt which is something you would know if you weren't suffocating in your own rectum.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:02 pm

It apparently didn't work last night.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:10 pm

It would have worked just fine...if they had put any down. They didn't because your mayor is a fucktard. I'm sure you even voted for the stupid cunt.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:11 pm

mvscal wrote:It would have worked just fine...if they had put any down. They didn't because your mayor is a fucktard. I'm sure you even voted for the stupid cunt.

Again, you're dead wrong on multiple fronts. Let's make this easy: What have you been right about?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:15 pm

Kellie Boulware, a Maryland State Highway Administration spokeswoman, said the roads were not pre-treated because the forecast was calling for no more than a squall.

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In Virginia, state transportation officials did not pre-treat roads because forecasts called for temperatures so low that the treatment might freeze on roads, making them more hazardous (lame ass-covering bullshit, btw)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... -c-region/

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:22 pm

Maybe my local DOT should start treating the roads right now... since it's 55 degrees.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:51 pm

We're not expecting any snow or ice for at least the next week.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:54 pm

mvscal wrote:
Kellie Boulware, a Maryland State Highway Administration spokeswoman, said the roads were not pre-treated because the forecast was calling for no more than a squall.

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In Virginia, state transportation officials did not pre-treat roads because forecasts called for temperatures so low that the treatment might freeze on roads, making them more hazardous (lame ass-covering bullshit, btw)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... -c-region/

From the Arlington County gov website:

http://newsroom.arlingtonva.us/release/ ... arlington/

Based on weather predictions, we, and the entire region, underestimated the amount of yesterday’s snow, and the ice that came with it. Our crews began pre-treating some streets with brine, in anticipation of tomorrow’s expected blizzard. They did not get to all of them before the snow began to fall, and it is not clear that the brine helped, due to the very cold roadways, heavy traffic and heavier-than-expected snow. Across the region, crews were caught by surprise.

Again, is there anything in this thread you haven't been wrong about? You're batting .000.

Go fuck yourself.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:04 pm

Some streets? Couldn't have been very many since the whole fucking city was paralyzed.

Face it, you got fist fucked by one measly inch of snow because the fucking morons that run your life were too lazy and/or stupid to prepare for an event that was well known ahead of time. Zero prep is the only way a city of any size gets "paralyzed" by a fucking inch of snow.

Deal with it, you stupid, coin operated faggot.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:05 pm

They lay down brine 2 days before any major storm up here. If snow gets compacted to ice on the roadways turns to ice and salting can be somewhat futile.
You can salt the roads like a fukken Ruth's Chris steak...and it will barely make a dent with traction.

Imus · Post by **Imus** » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:04 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:
mvscal wrote:Brine is salt, you fucking idiot.
I thought it was just that marvelous flavor that comes through with a wonderfully fresh blow job.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:07 am

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:They lay down brine 2 days before any major storm up here. If snow gets compacted to ice on the roadways turns to ice and salting can be somewhat futile.
You can salt the roads like a fukken Ruth's Chris steak...and it will barely make a dent with traction.

Can't really predict lake effect like that, or for that matter, 1 inch of snow in DC.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:08 am

Lake effect doesn't hit TO as bad as it should, we're spoiled. But the salt is alarming, after decades everything around the highways is rotting and dying, the salt gets into the water table. It's only just starting to happen and it isn't pretty.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:24 am

I'd rather deal with 1' of snow than 1" of solid ice.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:35 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I'd rather deal with 1' of snow than 1" of solid ice.

Ice is the only kind of storm we fear in Rochester. Had one in 91 that fucked our shit up for 2 weeks. The local power company was getting people back on line for two solid weeks. And it wiped out about 1/3 of the trees in the city.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:51 am

BSmack wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I'd rather deal with 1' of snow than 1" of solid ice.
The local power company was getting people back on line for two solid weeks. And it wiped out about 1/3 of the trees in the city.

So dude lost his beer fridge and a maple fell?

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:03 am

Prior to a storm, you do a heavy dump of a rock salt/sand blend at intersections. Then you increase travel speed on roadways to lightly disperse said blend. Depending on storm intensity and snowfall amounts and the wind speed driving the stuff... run the plows accordingly. All fucking day or night if you have to. But... only on snow routes and major transportation arteries.

4-high or all-wheel drive gets you through the other areas with a little experience and caution. Black ice? Big fuggin' deal. Can't believe how 1 inch of snow or some freezing rain shuts entire states the fuck down. Pussies.