Pretty Dots In The Firmament {!)

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:58 am

I'm one of the dumbest people here?

At least i'm not under some kind of impression that a privately run message board is going to always follow their own rules.

Your whining and complaining about the admins just makes you look more foolish than you have already presented yourself here.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:42 pm

Jsc...

1. As I said previously, I am interested in giving things 6 or 8 months. Right now a lot of people have been awakened to the reality that there are major flaws with the model we've all been sold. Thankfully, not everyone has their head as militantly lodged up their ass as the bulk of this board has. People are looking into a lot of issues right now and I'm interested to see where this goes in the coming months.

2. If I was able to fly from #25 to #1 and then to #16, it would verify to me that Antarctica is the continent they say it is. Would it therefore verify to me that the earth is the sphere we are told it is? Let's say it would be VERY strong evidence that it is. I would find it very hard to deny the sphere at that time.

3. As I've posted, there is SO much evidence already that the required (by the current model) curve is not there, Jsc. Does that mean the earth is flat? No, I can't say that. I'm not here to prove the earth is flat. I'm here to point out the flaws in the current model -- and the flaws of NAZA. PROVING the earth is flat would be a very difficult thing, imo. If people could verify the edge, that would be something, however, and it would sure lend itself very strongly to a flat earth. It would be hard to deny a flat (or relatively flat) earth at that point.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:45 pm

poptart wrote:I will tell you that I am looking closely at 11/4 this year, though.
I think something "big" might happen.

Mind you, this is just poptart thinking out loud and it is NOT prophecy.
The date is just interesting for a few reasons.

You could be fukked today, people.

:wink:

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:47 pm

a'dad wrote:I'm one of the dumbest people here?

I'm not 100% sure.
You could be.

I haven't made a list in quite a while.
Might be due for one.

List threads are always fun.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:19 pm

Hey, pops, here's a link for you. It should bring up the ball earth. You can use your mouse to spin it around. You can also zoom in all the way to where you can see your own house. Try doing that with a flat earth, you fucking nutjob.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-15.271999 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:32 pm

Well, isn't that special!

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:33 pm

poptart wrote:
poptart wrote:I will tell you that I am looking closely at 11/4 this year, though.
I think something "big" might happen.

Mind you, this is just poptart thinking out loud and it is NOT prophecy.
The date is just interesting for a few reasons.
You could be fukked today, people.

:wink:

Just like everything else you've said...wrong.

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:55 pm

poptart wrote:
poptart wrote:I will tell you that I am looking closely at 11/4 this year, though.
I think something "big" might happen.

Mind you, this is just poptart thinking out loud and it is NOT prophecy.
The date is just interesting for a few reasons.
You could be fukked today, people.

:wink:

He might be on to something.

Between about 7:30 and 8:00 am PST there were about twelve F-18's, or whatever the Marines are flying these days, that headed out northwest over my office from Miramar Marine Air Base. Then about a half hour later 5 or 6 Ospreys headed out in the same direction.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:06 pm

atmdad wrote:
poptart wrote:
poptart wrote:I will tell you that I am looking closely at 11/4 this year, though.
I think something "big" might happen.

Mind you, this is just poptart thinking out loud and it is NOT prophecy.
The date is just interesting for a few reasons.
You could be fukked today, people.

:wink:
He might be on to something.

Between about 7:30 and 8:00 am PST there were about twelve F-18's, or whatever the Marines are flying these days, that headed out northwest over my office from Miramar Marine Air Base. Then about a half hour later 5 or 6 Ospreys headed out in the same direction.

On a mission to find the edge?

hic sunt dracones

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:55 am

Goober McTuber wrote:Hey, pops, here's a link for you. It should bring up the ball earth. You can use your mouse to spin it around. You can also zoom in all the way to where you can see your own house. Try doing that with a flat earth, you fucking nutjob.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-15.271999 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Why is a ball earth necessary for this?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:59 am

poptart wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Hey, pops, here's a link for you. It should bring up the ball earth. You can use your mouse to spin it around. You can also zoom in all the way to where you can see your own house. Try doing that with a flat earth, you fucking nutjob.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-15.271999 ... a=!3m1!1e3
Why is a ball earth necessary for this?

You aren't really this stupid. Oh, wait.....

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:04 am

poptart wrote:
a'dad wrote:I'm one of the dumbest people here?
I'm not 100% sure.
You could be.

I haven't made a list in quite a while.
Might be due for one.

List threads are always fun.

As long as you are placing yourself on that list, it should be gold. You have been wrong in each and ever post, here and there, so own up already.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:45 am

Isaiah 40:22

even tho it doesn't say GLOBE....I guess it could still mean plate??

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:35 am

Jsc, I believe you're serious.

This "flat earther" has an idea/proposal.
He wants ACTION and not just more talk on YouTube.
He wants interested people on both sides of the debate to chip in for this idea.

He wants multiple boats to take off from various locations on the earth -- and to head to one location near the S. Pole.
For example, one boat leaving Australia, one leaving S. America, one Africa, one India.

On a globe, if these boats all go south all the way to the S. Pole, they will meet there.
No problem.

But if this is the earth, they will not meet, but will instead...

end up in radially different locations on the outer ring of the earth, called Antarctica.

I'm not sure how he thinks people on the boats will be trying to get to the pole, however, once they reach the Antarctic land mass.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:39 am

Or even better yet, that dumb fuck could have suggested aircraft fly those routes and meet up over the South Pole.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:52 am

AP wrote:Or even better yet, that dumb fuck could have suggested aircraft fly those routes and meet up over the South Pole.

If you watch his video, you'll see that he talks about that.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:10 am

Why would I waste 15 minutes of my life watching some yokel that has one tooth too many to be an extra in "Deliverance" the movie? You really watch people as dumb or dumber than you to get affirmation?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:17 am

He's seeking the truth on this matter.
I respect his quest.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:19 am

If that's the case, then take up Jsc's offer. If you don't, then you aren't really all that interested in reality.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:21 am

Moby Dick wrote:Isaiah 40:22

even tho it doesn't say GLOBE....I guess it could still mean plate??

I spoke about this Scripture previously.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

1. There is a clear difference between a circle and a ball. Is a basketball a circle? "Here, pass me the circle!"
Beyond that, when does God sit on the earth?

2. I think that passage describes this quite well...

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:24 am

Where is the ice ring?

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:26 am

While not your call for a bunch of boats to depart from different areas, this might provide some fodder for you to wade through.

Vendee Globe

Explain why these fellas and gals want to extend as far out as possible on your radial map to get around the perimeter the quickest. Would not a shorter radial path be quicker.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:36 am

poptart wrote:
Moby Dick wrote:Isaiah 40:22

even tho it doesn't say GLOBE....I guess it could still mean plate??

I spoke about this Scripture previously.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

1. There is a clear difference between a circle and a ball. Is a basketball a circle? "Here, pass me the circle!"
Beyond that, when does God sit on the earth?

Depends on the perception when looking at it...

when you look at the Earth from the Moon doesn't it look like a circle? Looking at the moon looks like a circle too? the Sun?

Although I know your stance on all the above...balls look like circles when JUST looking at it.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:39 am

Flying from his silly start points on land would be easier. Of course, air-to-air refueling is a given. Fly a ground track heading 180 degrees and depart with take off times due to distance with winds corrected, etc. Pretty simple to do.

We used to practice coordinated strikes by launching at a target from different headings from different distances all of the time to strike a target within a short time frame.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:47 am

Where there "Balls" or the word "Ball" back in those biblical days?

i'll try to google this later....or even "Globe"?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:49 am

Atomic Punk wrote:Where is the ice ring?

Is there seriously something wrong with you?

It's in the same place it is on this map...

Except on this map we are looking at the earth from the side instead of the top.

You can see it at the base of the firmament, on both sides of the earth in this diagram.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:56 am

atmdad wrote:While not your call for a bunch of boats to depart from different areas, this might provide some fodder for you to wade through.

Vendee Globe

Explain why these fellas and gals want to extend as far out as possible on your radial map to get around the perimeter the quickest. Would not a shorter radial path be quicker.

What is their goal?
Where are they going?

I watched the video but didn't see how this relates to our topic.

What's going on?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:58 am

Moby Dick wrote:
poptart wrote:
Moby Dick wrote:Isaiah 40:22

even tho it doesn't say GLOBE....I guess it could still mean plate??

I spoke about this Scripture previously.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

1. There is a clear difference between a circle and a ball. Is a basketball a circle? "Here, pass me the circle!"
Beyond that, when does God sit on the earth?

Depends on the perception when looking at it...

when you look at the Earth from the Moon doesn't it look like a circle? Looking at the moon looks like a circle too? the Sun?

Although I know your stance on all the above...balls look like circles when JUST looking at it.

You could say that, yes.

What do you do with Genesis 1:6-8?

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:00 am

poptart wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:Where is the ice ring?

You can see it at the base of the firmament, on both sides of the earth in this diagram.

I can, or you can?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:01 am

Moby Dick wrote:Where there "Balls" or the word "Ball" back in those biblical days?

i'll try to google this later....or even "Globe"?

Isaiah 22:18

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:02 am

Atomic Punk wrote:
poptart wrote:
Atomic Punk wrote:Where is the ice ring?

You can see it at the base of the firmament, on both sides of the earth in this diagram.
I can, or you can?

We all can.
It's clearly on the diagram.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:05 am

tart -- One of these "day tours" over Antarctica seems like a good place for us to start our journey and truth for flat earth justice.

http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/

For as little as $1199 we can depart from Australia and fly across Antarctica. You'd think from that high up we could catch a glimpse of the giant frozen barrier from the distance, and we wouldn't even have to set down our cups of hot cocoa! Obviously, my concern is that Qantas is in cahoots with the secret ice wall overlords to prevent this from happening. In any event, I think it's a worthwhile place to get started. I'll contact Jsc posthaste about getting our flights booked.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:32 am

poptart wrote: We all can.
It's clearly on the diagram.

Where?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:53 am

I already told you.
Good grief.

poptart wrote:You can see it at the base of the firmament, on both sides of the earth in this diagram.

You see the large land masses of "earth" there, right?

Beyond that is... sea.

And then beyond the sea, you see two smaller land masses represented there, under which it says, foundations of the heavens.
This outermost portion of land is Antarctica on a flat earth map.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:54 am

This guy has the right state of mind.
Most of you should adopt his attitude.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:57 am

poptart wrote:I already told you.
Good grief.

poptart wrote:You can see it at the base of the firmament, on both sides of the earth in this diagram.
You see the large land masses of "earth" there, right?

Beyond that is... sea.

And then beyond the sea, you see two smaller land masses represented there, under which it says, foundations of the heavens.
This outermost portion of land is Antarctica on a flat earth map.

Has any sane person told you that your "map" is valid, or even see an ice ring on it?

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:07 am

pops, there is no ice ring on that whack job sideways map you are using. Also, the buoyancy issue of a solid land mass on liquid hasn't been addressed. Getting tired yet?

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:16 am

When Moses ascended to heaven didn't he recall seeing "the whole round of the earth"?

or does this go back to the "more like looking down upon a plate"?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:21 am

Is there a Scripture for this?

But again, what do you do with the firmament in Genesis 1:6-8?

I saw Kent Hovind recently asked again about the firmament of Genesis 1 and he said he speculates that there are two firmaments.
lol

Of course there is absolutely no Scripture at all that talks about a 2nd firmament.

He just can't yet grasp the idea that the current earth model science assures of us -----> might be wrong.

So he makes shit up and claims he is being Biblical.

Pitiful.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:48 am

poptart wrote:Is there a Scripture for this?

But again, what do you do with the firmament in Genesis 1:6-8?

I saw Kent Hovind recently asked again about the firmament of Genesis 1 and he said he speculates that there are two firmaments.
lol

Of course there is absolutely no Scripture at all that talks about a 2nd firmament.

He just can't yet grasp the idea that the current earth model science assures of us -----> might be wrong.

So he makes shit up and claims he is being Biblical.

Pitiful.

ol Hovind!

I watched a lot of his vids back in the day..ugh

This is a really tough debate , tart.

When do you decide to take parts of the bible as literal..and when do you decide to take it as metaphorical?

Psalms75:3 says God will hold the pillars of the earth firm...

there's seriously no winning this debate for us Round Earthers when you take every word in the Bible as literal...