Hey, Corn fan
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:35 pm
with CU going to the Pac-Whatever, and N-is-for-Knowledge going to the Big-11, does that mean the rivalry is over?
naw, they may hate us for not getting on the prop 48 side or whatever....but they do know Dr. Tom went 5-12 against Barry Switzer with a better team about half of the 12. they don't hate us for that. heck, they love Barry in NE. they do.Truman wrote:Naw, Cuds, they'll ALWAYS hate OU...
see, i've refrained from posting this in the other thread discussion with Cornhusker but I'm almost positive there were pretty serious efforts on OU's part to consider playing NU in the off rotation years at the onset of the Big XII scheduling in 96. i also don't think it's plausible to suggest that OU is dodging anyone based on the quality BCS type conference OOC opponent (mixed in with the cupcakes) OU has played nearly every year the last 15-20 years....particularly compared to NU's OOC over same time.At Large wrote:Let's be clear. It was over when the Big 12 was formed when OU officials didn't want to play both Texas and us every year. It was pretty much the only one we cared about. I'll miss playing OU, even if it was only every two years on.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100603/B ... 00609872/01. Don't let anyone tell you that Nebraska or the Big 12 ended the Nebraska-Oklahoma series. It was OU. Former OU Athletic Director Donnie Duncan, now a consultant for the Big 12, confirmed that this week while we were hanging around the hallways of the Plaza Intercontinental Hotel in KC. Duncan helped put the Big 12 together. He told me that when the schedules were being put together for the first (1996) Big 12 season, OU had no interest in keeping Nebraska on the schedule every year. First, Duncan said, "We had a chief rival — Texas.'' Then, when asked why OU didn't accept a proposal from NU to play every year as a conference "rival'' game, Duncan said, "(Nebraska) didn't have to play Texas every year.'' Clearly, the inference was that OU didn't want to play both Texas and NU every year and, moreover, that the NU rivalry didn't mean that much to them. At least not enough to keep it going.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/O ... OWOR701789Don't expect OU-Nebraska to be annual affair
by: DAVE SITTLER World Sports Columnist
Saturday, November 07, 2009
11/7/2009 8:03:19 PM
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TWO WORDS for those who think the Oklahoma-Nebraska series will return to an annual event: Forget it.
As much as I'd love to be wrong, I don't see it happening. But there might be a chance it eventually could be played every other year, instead of taking a two-year break.
Saturday's 85th meeting between the Big Reds of the Big 12 Conference's North and South divisions has revived calls for the league to devise a scheduling format guaranteeing the Sooners and Cornhuskers will once again meet every season like they did for 70 consecutive years.
Perhaps you had to be in Kansas City, Mo., in May 1994 to understand why there's a strong possibility the renewal of the yearly series won't happen. I was there, when athletic directors from all 12 schools gathered at the Ritz Carlton Hotel to make some historic decisions about the new league, which was scheduled to start play in 1996.
Those recommendations were passed on to the school presidents, who rubber-stamped every single one of them at a later date.
I vividly recall the reaction and reasoning when it was confirmed the OU-Nebraska series, which had started in 1928, would take a two-year hiatus starting in 1998.
That break was required because the Big 12 presidents eventually approved the ADs' plan for the conference to be divided in two six-team divisions. The scheduling format also agreed upon during those often-tense, three-day meetings dictated that schools play the other five teams in their division every year, while playing three teams from the opposite division on a two-year, rotating basis.
Sooner athletic director Donnie Duncan unfairly took the hit as the bad guy in ending the annual OU-Nebraska series, while Cornhusker AD Bill Byrne wore the white hat. Byrne, now Texas A&M's AD, said Nebraska was willing to play OU every season, even if for two years the games didn't count in the league race.
That idea, of course, was goofy. It would have totally messed up the divisional races.
"I'm very disappointed that we won't be playing Oklahoma every year," Byrne told me back then. "I think it's one of the great series in American football history."
Duncan agreed. But he knew Byrne would make the same move if their roles were reversed. And guess who was the biggest reason behind OU's decision? Go to the head of the class if you guessed Texas.
Now that Texas was going to be a conference rival in the same division instead of just a hated Red River Rival, Duncan and OU officials knew the South Division was going to be tough enough without also playing a Nebraska team every year that was one of the nation's powerhouse programs at the time.
Duncan said he would have made the same decision and ended Bedlam if Oklahoma State had been placed in the North Division.
"We had eight (teams)," said Duncan of the Big Eight Conference, which expanded by adding Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M and Baylor. "We now have 12. Things change.
"It's not incumbent upon us, nor will we do anything that's not in the best interest of Oklahoma as we adjust (to the Big 12). If it's not in the best interest of the University of Oklahoma, it will not be agreed to by Oklahoma."
Considering how the South Division has dominated the North in football for most of the league's existence, Duncan knew what he was talking about. He was also aware if OU was in the North and Nebraska in the South, the Huskers wouldn't agree to playing both the Longhorns and Sooners every season.
OU's stance hasn't changed. One Sooner source, when asked if OU would consider playing Nebraska every year, said, "It doesn't make sense. And I doubt they (Huskers) would want to play us every year."
The addition of the Big 12 championship game was another reason to split up the series. That additional contest put the league in danger of not making the BCS title game, so why add to the difficulty by playing a traditional powerhouse yearly when the scheduling format said it wasn't necessary?
There could be some changes coming, however. Big 12 sources confirmed a report this week in the Boulder (Colo.) Camera that Big 12 ADs will consider scheduling changes when they meet in New York City in December and at the league meetings next spring.
"At some point in the near future, the ADs will receive an outline that will include just about every possible scheduling scenario," a Big 12 source said.
Colorado AD Mike Bohn told the Boulder paper some North Division ADs are pushing to change the format so that the three teams in opposite divisions would play every other year instead of taking a two-year break.
That idea would mean OU and Nebraska wouldn't go more than one year without playing each other in the regular season.
A Big 12 source said the numerous proposals being drawn up could also include traditional rivals from opposite divisions playing annually. That scheduling format is already used in some conferences.
"There are a lot of issues to discuss," the conference source said. "The ADs could even change the philosophical position they had at the start of the conference.
"It's really, really hard to say (what could happen)."
No, it isn't. Not as long as OU and Texas remain in the same division. There is no way the Sooners will agree to play Nebraska annually unless the Cornhuskers also agree to play Texas every season.
So that means you should enjoy tonight's game to the hilt, because the next regular-season battle of the Big Reds won't kick off until the 2012 season.
5-12 is just to keep you guys honest. Nebraska fan has a way of thinking they are way more than "all that" with Dr. Tom. like Homer wrote it, but you guys lost a lot of times with the better team. deal with it.At Large wrote:http://www.omaha.com/article/20100603/B ... 00609872/01. Don't let anyone tell you that Nebraska or the Big 12 ended the Nebraska-Oklahoma series. It was OU. Former OU Athletic Director Donnie Duncan, now a consultant for the Big 12, confirmed that this week while we were hanging around the hallways of the Plaza Intercontinental Hotel in KC. Duncan helped put the Big 12 together. He told me that when the schedules were being put together for the first (1996) Big 12 season, OU had no interest in keeping Nebraska on the schedule every year. First, Duncan said, "We had a chief rival — Texas.'' Then, when asked why OU didn't accept a proposal from NU to play every year as a conference "rival'' game, Duncan said, "(Nebraska) didn't have to play Texas every year.'' Clearly, the inference was that OU didn't want to play both Texas and NU every year and, moreover, that the NU rivalry didn't mean that much to them. At least not enough to keep it going.
Is throwing Osbourne's 5-12 record against Switzer supposed to make me angry? The series currently stands at 44-38-3 in favor of OU. Still a fairly competitive series over the years.
i don't think anyone here is going to defend Sittler. he sucks. diff is you guys seem to lockstep the Lincoln/Omaha rah rah newspapers. i knew Donnie Duncan's daughter in elementary school....that's as "genius" interp as you will get with DD. but you can't have it both ways. acting large about how OU wouldn't play NU after 96, etc. point is OU beat you and your HOF coach pretty regular and calling them out "afraid" is nonsensical.At Large wrote:And then I followed it up by citing a Tulsa paper that pretty much said the same thing. Jesus...
At Large wrote:I'll miss playing OU, even if it was only every two years on.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why isn't it possible to continue the series, but on an OOC basis?King Crimson wrote:I'll miss the NU series as well.
Because it is college football and if there is a way for greed and corruption to buttfuck tradition in the mouth, it will happen.Terry in Crapchester wrote:At Large wrote:I'll miss playing OU, even if it was only every two years on.Maybe I'm missing something here, but why isn't it possible to continue the series, but on an OOC basis?King Crimson wrote:I'll miss the NU series as well.
Well OU didn't want to play NU every year from the outset because of the North Mexicans. I remember NU wanting to keep the series alive and OU saying no way.King Crimson wrote:see, i've refrained from posting this in the other thread discussion with Cornhusker but I'm almost positive there were pretty serious efforts on OU's part to consider playing NU in the off rotation years at the onset of the Big XII scheduling in 96.