Big Ben's accuser refuses to be re-interviewed by cops

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:07 am

You may all begin preparing your crow dinners.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisbe ... 87357.html

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:24 am

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says he still wants to meet with Roethlisberger to discuss why, "he continues to put himself in this position."

Hey, Commish, go ahead and fuck off. Exactly what "position" is Ben putting himself in, when he's never been charged with a single crime? As far as we know, Ben's never even received a speeding ticket.

It's none of your goddamn business what Ben does in his free time, not if what he does is perfectly legal. Until he's ever actually charged with something, much less convicted, here's a novel idea: STFU. Bare minimum, when someone sticks a mic in your face, give the obligatory response: "Until I know more about the situation, I have no comment."

See, that way, when the "position" Ben put himself in turns out to be nothing more than a typical guy enjoying an ordinary and perfectly legal night out on the town, you won't come off as such a sanctimonious moron.

Here's another idea: Maybe you might try having your players' backs some time. It's very possible that there are golddigging women out there who are looking for a quick buck at the expense of your star players, and maybe you might go ahead and assume "innocent until proven guilty" about your players, rather than tacitly throwing them under the bus in some lame effort to be P.C. for the benefit of the drooling media.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:48 am

Van wrote:Exactly what "position" is Ben putting himself in,

The postion of embarassing the league with his drunken antics, you thick cunt.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:32 am

mvscal wrote:
Van wrote:Exactly what "position" is Ben putting himself in,
The postion of embarassing the league with his drunken antics, you thick cunt.

I think what you meant to say was "No DNA and no cooperation from the lying skank equals no charges."

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:40 am

You mean the rape kit that was "lost"? So, how much did it cost for this incident to go away? Ben drinks. Ben rapes. Small armies of damage control specialists sweep up behind him with large checks.

None of it changes the stone cold fact that he is an alcoholic scumbag who either doesn't understand or can't take no for an answer.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:10 am

mvscal wrote:You mean the rape kit that was "lost"?

Link bitch.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:42 am

the woman was taken to a hospital, where she was treated and released

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970050

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:15 am

Now our resident alarmist hand-wringer, mvscal, has Ben being an alcoholic too.

Go ahead, sweet little girl, post that pic again. You know, the one from five years ago, where he's making that stupid face. It'll be sure to prove your retarded fucking point, just as well as it's proven it every other time you've posted it.

Yeah, Ben has "damage control specialists" sweeping everything under the rug for him. Meanwhile, much bigger stars such as Kobe Bryant and Mike Tyson faced charges, as did Mike Vick.

Not Ben, though. He's...protected.

God, it's awesome seeing mvscal be such a pussy.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 5:46 am

mvscal wrote:
the woman was taken to a hospital, where she was treated and released

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970050

Nowhere in the ESPN story did it say a rape kit was "lost". Try again you pathetic fuck.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:12 am

BSmack wrote:You may all begin preparing your crow dinners.

I stand by everything I posted in the other thread. I continue to find this part amusing:

"Restaurant owners in Pittsburgh have complained he has tried to skip out on bills" = World class douche.

Eat a dick.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:44 am

Couldn't help but notice that TMZ is strangely quiet on this story.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:48 am

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
BSmack wrote:You may all begin preparing your crow dinners.

I stand by everything I posted in the other thread. I continue to find this part amusing:

"Restaurant owners in Pittsburgh have complained he has tried to skip out on bills" = World class douche.

Eat a dick.

Of course none of those stories are ever attributed to anyone by name. Well, except for the Arnold Palmer rumor. Which was quickly shown to be laughably false.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:45 am

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:47 pm

Van wrote:Ben being an alcoholic too.

It's pretty obvious.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:12 pm

BSmack wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
BSmack wrote:You may all begin preparing your crow dinners.

I stand by everything I posted in the other thread. I continue to find this part amusing:

"Restaurant owners in Pittsburgh have complained he has tried to skip out on bills" = World class douche.

Eat a dick.
Of course none of those stories are ever attributed to anyone by name. Well, except for the Arnold Palmer rumor. Which was quickly shown to be laughably false.

Think for a second why a business owner would not want his establishment named in a story about the most popular guy in the city skipping out on a bar tab.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:35 pm

Ben is a world class prick:

http://kdka.com/national/Roethlisberger ... 26454.html

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:07 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Ben is a world class prick:

http://kdka.com/national/Roethlisberger ... 26454.html

Maybe the server shouldn't have put himself in that position?

You know what's real funny? That woman was a year older than Ben. Yet Ben didn't get proofed.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:50 pm

BSmack wrote: You know what's real funny? That woman was a year older than Ben. Yet Ben didn't get proofed.

How is that funny?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:58 pm

Well lookey here. Turns out that the Millageville town drunk wasn't Big Ben, it was the girl who is accusing him.

According to Cansino, authorities told him the woman's blood alcohol level was above 0.20 percent — more than 10 times the legal limit for drivers younger than 21 in Georgia and more than twice the limit for older motorists.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... tml?feed=9

No DNA, a "victim" that has been blowing off the cops for at least a week and now she's been found to have blown a .20???

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:02 pm

jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote: You know what's real funny? That woman was a year older than Ben. Yet Ben didn't get proofed.
How is that funny?

Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface. Furthermore, the server in question claimed he didn't know who Ben Roethlisberger is. Yet he coincidentally didn't proof the Super Bowl winning QB and yet hassled his date, who was older than him by a year.

Nah, there's not more to that story. Nope, not at all.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:28 pm

BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
BSmack wrote: You know what's real funny? That woman was a year older than Ben. Yet Ben didn't get proofed.
How is that funny?
Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface. Furthermore, the server in question claimed he didn't know who Ben Roethlisberger is. Yet he coincidentally didn't proof the Super Bowl winning QB and yet hassled his date, who was older than him by a year.

Nah, there's not more to that story. Nope, not at all.

Maybe he thought she was a prostitute/escort. That industry thrives in casinos.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:36 pm

jiminphilly wrote:Maybe he thought she was a prostitute/escort. That industry thrives in casinos.

I suppose that's a possibility. Whatever the backstory, I am absolutely certain that this guy wasn't as unaware of his surroundings as his lawsuit claims.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:52 pm

BSmack wrote:Well lookey here. Turns out that the Millageville town drunk wasn't Big Ben, it was the girl who is accusing him.

According to Cansino, authorities told him the woman's blood alcohol level was above 0.20 percent — more than 10 times the legal limit for drivers younger than 21 in Georgia and more than twice the limit for older motorists.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... tml?feed=9
No DNA, a "victim" that has been blowing off the cops for at least a week and now she's been found to have blown a .20???

So an underage girl who already got busted using a fake ID a few weeks earlier gets into the same bar again and this time gets invited back to the VIP area with Rothlisberger (whose own security consists of PA State Police) and they don't check her ID either?

Again- whatever the fuck happened could have been prevented had Ben bought a couple professional hookers with him, rented a back room and screwed like college freshman on the floor. Nobody would have cared.

But just months after being slapped with a civil suit for rape he's once again putting himself in a postion to be accused again and this time the girl isn't even 21.

Now you know why Rooney, Tomlin and Goodell are "concerned."

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 8:53 pm

jiminphilly wrote:So an underage girl who already got busted using a fake ID a few weeks earlier gets into the same bar again and this time gets invited back to the VIP area with Rothlisberger (whose own security consists of PA State Police) and they don't check her ID either?

Again- whatever the fuck happened could have been prevented had Ben bought a couple professional hookers with him, rented a back room and screwed like college freshman on the floor. Nobody would have cared.

But just months after being slapped with a civil suit for rape he's once again putting himself in a postion to be accused again and this time the girl isn't even 21.

Now you know why Rooney, Tomlin and Goodell are "concerned."

Oh, so he was supposed to either live like a monk or, as you suggest, break the law and hire prostitutes just so that he could avoid the perils of associating with women in clubs. Even though the Harrah's employee is obviously a deranged tool who is trying to cash in.

Get real. There is absolutely no evidence that Ben did anything wrong. Period.

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:23 pm

BSmack wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:So an underage girl who already got busted using a fake ID a few weeks earlier gets into the same bar again and this time gets invited back to the VIP area with Rothlisberger (whose own security consists of PA State Police) and they don't check her ID either?

Again- whatever the fuck happened could have been prevented had Ben bought a couple professional hookers with him, rented a back room and screwed like college freshman on the floor. Nobody would have cared.

But just months after being slapped with a civil suit for rape he's once again putting himself in a postion to be accused again and this time the girl isn't even 21.

Now you know why Rooney, Tomlin and Goodell are "concerned."
Oh, so he was supposed to either live like a monk or, as you suggest, break the law and hire prostitutes just so that he could avoid the perils of associating with women in clubs. Even though the Harrah's employee is obviously a deranged tool who is trying to cash in.

Get real. There is absolutely no evidence that Ben did anything wrong. Period.

I was being somewhat sarcastic about the prostitutes. The fact is, a guy in his position with his money has it within his means to avoid situations like the one in GA and still enjoy the single life and I'm pretty sure that's going to be the message from Goodell. The question is whether Ben is smart is enough to listen. In that ESPN link that was posted earlier, some chick named Amber says something to the effect that she and her friends wanted a picture and Ben made some comment that turned her off. She was not part of the entourage of the accuser. Now maybe she just just jilted or maybe Ben really did whisper that he wanted to fuck her in the ass in the bathroom. Guess what? Ben loses credibility with me and a whole lot of other people when you hear stories like that coupled with Pittsburgh Bar/Restaurant owners who claim Ben doesn't pay his tab.

Maybe he needs another motorcycle accident to clear his head.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:35 pm

BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Ben is a world class prick:

http://kdka.com/national/Roethlisberger ... 26454.html
Maybe the server shouldn't have put himself in that position?

You know what's real funny? That woman was a year older than Ben. Yet Ben didn't get proofed.

The server shouldn't have put himself in that position? You mean doing his job? It doesn't matter how old she was, if a server requests ID, you are obligated to provide it. Period. Ben decided to show what a colossal jerk he is and got the guy fired. Like I said, Ben is a world class prick.

BTW, true story, I was in an airport bar in Atlanta a fews weeks ago, ordered a beer, and was aked for ID. I asked if the drinking age in Georgia was 58. Bartemptress laughed, but I wasn't getting the beer without showing ID.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:40 pm

BSmack wrote:Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface.

This babyface? Could you possibly be any more disingenuous?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:12 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface.
This babyface? Could you possibly be any more disingenuous?

BSuckoff dreams of being raped by "Big Ben" one day so don't you dare ruin for him.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:40 pm

BSmack wrote:
Oh, so he was supposed to either live like a monk or, as you suggest, break the law and hire prostitutes

Sure. Because there is no in between.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:42 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface.
This babyface? Could you possibly be any more disingenuous?

When Ben Roethlisberger is clean shaven, he looks like a college frat boy.

This is how Ben usually looks during the off season.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:54 pm

KC Scott wrote:She is meeting with the cops: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=t ... &type=lgns

Whereupon she will more likely than not crack and admit the whole thing was a lie.

and to no one's surprise the surveillence video was mysteriously overwritten at the bar: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sp ... peculation

Unless the bar owner was pulling a Chuck Berry and videotaping in the rest room, I don't see where the video footage is relevant. It isn't needed to put Ben in the rest room, he already admitted they had some kind of encounter there. The only issue as of yet unresolved is whether or not he tried to do some shit to her that she didn't want done. And the lack of any, I repeat ANY of his DNA, combined with her being blitzed out of her mind leads one to conclude that at the very least, there isn't enough evidence to prosecute. And quite possibly, this girl is going to get nailed with a charge of filing a false report.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:07 pm

Jeezus B, are you related to Ben ?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:15 pm

Bucmonkey wrote:Jeezus B, are you related to Ben ?

He's my quarterback.

Well that and I'm killing time before my boy wakes up from his nap. Which should be any minute.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:30 am

BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
BSmack wrote:Well, for one thing, Ben isn't exactly known for his rugged looks. He's a babyface.
This babyface? Could you possibly be any more disingenuous?
When Ben Roethlisberger is clean shaven, he looks like a college frat boy.

This is how Ben usually looks during the off season.

Yeah, he still doesn't exactly look like he's 19. Way to duck the issue of what an incredible prick he is, and why he had a guy fired for DOING HIS JOB.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:44 am

Goober McTuber wrote:Yeah, he still doesn't exactly look like he's 19.

He doesn't look 30. That's usually the standard most servers go by. So why didn't this server (who allegedly had no idea who Ben was) proof the 2 time SB Champ?

Way to duck the issue of what an incredible prick he is, and why he had a guy fired for DOING HIS JOB.

You mean ALLEGEDLY told the guy's boss about his poor service. Nor does the lawsuit allow for the possibility that this guy might well have been a shitty waiter with a whole host of customer complaints. It certainly seems more than a little odd for a high end eatery like that to arbitrarily fire a server for a single incident that, like you said, is in his job description anyway.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:58 am

BSmack wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Yeah, he still doesn't exactly look like he's 19.
He doesn't look 30. That's usually the standard most servers go by. So why didn't this server (who allegedly had no idea who Ben was) proof the 2 time SB Champ?

Way to duck the issue of what an incredible prick he is, and why he had a guy fired for DOING HIS JOB.
You mean ALLEGEDLY told the guy's boss about his poor service. Nor does the lawsuit allow for the possibility that this guy might well have been a shitty waiter with a whole host of customer complaints. It certainly seems more than a little odd for a high end eatery like that to arbitrarily fire a server for a single incident that, like you said, is in his job description anyway.

A shitty waiter? You mean the 12-year management level employee Ben got fired? Again, fuck off you disingenuous fuckwit. He doesn't look 30? Dude is like 6'5" and 260lbs and he doesn't look 19 either. In any case, apparently Ben was already there when the trollop joined his group, so maybe Ben had already gotten carded. I don't know for sure, neither do you, but in any case, your continual defense of a total and complete prick does not reflect particularly well on you.

I don't know all of the details, neither do you, but again, Ben said he was going to talk to the guy's boss who he was boys with, and the guy got fired.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:34 am

Goober McTuber wrote:A shitty waiter? You mean the 12-year management level employee Ben got fired?

Maybe the guy was too burnt out and just couldn't handle dealing with people. Shit happens. The hospitality industry has a lot of turnover.

Again, fuck off you disingenuous fuckwit. He doesn't look 30? Dude is like 6'5" and 260lbs and he doesn't look 19 either.

Who cares how tall he is? You've never seen a 6'5" teenager? He was 26 years old when this all allegedly went down. That means he should have been proofed as well.

In any case, apparently Ben was already there when the trollop joined his group, so maybe Ben had already gotten carded. I don't know for sure, neither do you, but in any case, your continual defense of a total and complete prick does not reflect particularly well on you.

So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about yet somehow that reflects on me? Will somebody please que up the Wilbert Harrison? Because it looks like you're going to Kansas City.

I don't know all of the details, neither do you, but again, Ben said he was going to talk to the guy's boss who he was boys with, and the guy got fired.

You know that? Based on what? Oh yea, the affidavit of a person who stands to make a big score in a lawsuit if his claim holds up.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:21 pm

The moron who wrote:So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about yet somehow that reflects on me?

also wrote:Maybe the guy was too burnt out and just couldn't handle dealing with people.

So you're allowed to offer theories about what happened but I'm not. Nice. Your boy already has quite a reputation for being a dickhead. Just keep blindly defending your piece-of-shit quarterback. He’s obviously none too bright and that will catch up with him eventually.

Here's another picture of babyface for you to jerk off to:

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:11 pm

Van wrote: It's none of your goddamn business what Ben does in his free time, not if what he does is perfectly legal. Until he's ever actually charged with something, much less convicted, here's a novel idea: STFU.

standard "morals" clause in NFL contracts says the commissioner can ask Ben into his office anytime he perceives a player's behavior as potentially detrimental to the NFL

rack Bsmacks Jackie Childs like defense of Rothlisberger

jiminphilly · Post by **jiminphilly** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:38 pm

And the saga continues:

The manager of the club where Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is accused of having sexually assaulted a 20-year-old Georgia woman said Thursday one of the woman's friends told him a member of Roethlisberger's entourage had denied her entrance to the area leading to the bathroom where she believed the accuser and Roethlisberger were that night.

The accuser told police later that night Roethlisberger had assaulted her in the club's bathroom.

Rocky Duncan, the manager of Capital City bar in Milledgeville, Ga., said Roethlisberger and his entourage of "about nine" people, not including the accuser or her friends, had arrived at the bar at approximately 1:10 a.m. Duncan said a member of Roethlisberger's group had asked for VIP seating in a private section of the club and a bouncer from the club to be stationed outside the area. Duncan said Roethlisberger's friend said, "We want the girls [to be allowed back into that section]."

Duncan said he escorted Roethlisberger and his group to the back room, sealed off by a curtain, that serves as the VIP area. Duncan said the bouncer, stationed outside the curtain, allowed women into the VIP area throughout the night.

Later in the evening, according to Duncan, most of Roethlisberger's group had wandered from the VIP area to a larger room that opens up off it -- a room also closed to the general public. Duncan said there were about 25 people in that area, called "the stage room."

Duncan said he saw Roethlisberger standing and talking with what appeared to be a woman sitting on a stool a few feet from the bathroom door, which was separated from the stage room by a 4-foot divider. Roethlisberger's frame blocked Duncan from seeing the woman. But Duncan added he had never seen the accuser and did not know what she looked like. Duncan said a member of Roethlisberger's entourage, whom he called "the ringleader," was sitting on a stool about a foot away from the door that led to the area where Roethlisberger and the woman had been talking.

Approximately 30 seconds after he saw Roethlisberger talking to the woman, Duncan said one of the accuser's friends approached Duncan and said, "I think my friend is in the bathroom with Ben, but the door [leading to the bathroom area] is locked, and I'm trying to get back there, and this guy [one of Roethlisberger's friends] wouldn't let me through." Duncan said she also told him, "I think my friend may be drunk."

Duncan said the accuser's friend "did not seem frantic, it was someone just looking for her friend." He said he told the woman she could either try to hop over the divider that separated the stage room from the bathroom area or "go around to the back and go through the backside entrance, because that door doesn't have a handle to it and you can go in that way." Duncan said he didn't know if the woman tried to get back into the bathroom area.

When asked if he thought there was anything alarming about a member of Roethlisberger's group standing outside a locked door, prohibiting someone from going into that area, Duncan said, "No, not really. Those guys had been protective of Ben all night. You wouldn't want someone taking a snapshot of Ben using the toilet."

There are seven cameras inside Capital City, according to Duncan. There are no cameras in the VIP area or in the "stage room" because those areas were added during a renovation. From camera footage that records the entrance and the main dance floor area, Duncan said he believes he saw the accuser and her friends -- which included the woman who had approached him earlier -- leave the bar around 1:45 a.m.

"They just walked out together," he said, "like you see any other time."

Duncan said he learned someone had made an accusation against Roethlisberger when "I got a call from Sergeant [Jerry] Blash, and he said a young woman approached him and said Ben assaulted her. He asked if they [Roethlisberger's group] were still at the club, and I said, 'Yes.' "

Duncan said police came to the club and spoke "briefly" with Roethlisberger and his group, in what Duncan described as an informal way. Duncan said he talked with police March 5, the day the allegations were made.

When he was asked if Roethlisberger had seemed inebriated that night, Duncan said, "You see a lot at a bar. Was he the drunkest person I ever met? No. Did he have a buzz? Probably."

On March 8, three days after the alleged incident, Duncan said police reviewed video footage of the night at his office in the club. The police were called away suddenly because of a murder in the area. Shortly afterward, Duncan said, his "tech guy" tried to make a copy of the camera outputs to give to the police and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which was assisting on the case, but encountered problems. Duncan said they had trouble accessing the video again, and he was later informed by the GBI that there was nothing on the recordings.

The GBI said it has spoken with every member of Roethlisberger's group, except Roethlisberger. The GBI's initial request for a sample of Roethlisberger's DNA was rescinded more than a week ago, but its request to speak with Roethlisberger is still outstanding.

Despite recently published reports to the contrary, the accuser "is still actively cooperating with the GBI's investigation," a source with knowledge of the investigation said Thursday.

ESPN phoned two women who were listed in the police incident report as being with the accuser that night, to ask for comment or corroboration. One said, "I can't comment on any of this, I'm sorry"; the other woman hung up.

Roethlisberger's attorney, Ed Garland, was not immediately available for comment.

From an earlier report:

"When Roethlisberger talked to police the night of the event he told them there was no sexual intercourse. He did have sexual contact with the woman but it was not consummated. He said he did not force himself on the woman, but she did fall and hit her head," reporter Andy Sheehan read Wednesday during an on-air report.

Nothing to see here folks.