RNC Chair: GOP should reach out to gay and pro-choice voters

[Mikey]

That should go over well with the "base".

[Cuda]

What the fuck would you know about their "base"?

[Mikey]

What the fuck would you know about their "base"?

They proliferate like fucking toadstools in the town I live in.

[trev]

Reach out to those who favor abortion "rights?" Sorry, he should have used another term. While the issue of abortion will never be solved you aren't going to make certain people think it's a "right." Not gonna happen. Do I think the GOP should drop the abortion issue? No doubt. They need to let it go. Let the individual make her own decision that she has to live with. There are too many people in society who simply think it's OK to abort a life. If the GOP wants to stay afloat they need to concentrate on economic, education, health and safety issues and leave the abortion issue personal.

[PSUFAN]

This guy is a political operative. He is looking for things that might help the GOP reinvent itself. He's looking at all the options, NOT sitting back from an ideological perspective.

[PSUFAN]

He's the guy they paid to help them win elections. He's advising that they move away from the social conservative side of their platform.

The GOP is fucked.

[PSUFAN]

So let's get this right - you say he's offering good advice, but you think he's a token...isn't good advice good regardless of where it comes from?

But ultimately, you're right - the GOP is exploring the use of tokens, both this guy and Palin - and it just shows you how fucked they really are.

[Tom In VA]

The Radical Republicans, largely fueled by Christian belief that slavery was an inherent evil, led the Abolitionist Movement.

I find it ironic that a black man is now "kicking them out" of the Republican Party.

However, I do believe it to be in the short term economic best interests of the country.

It's a strange thing, this "karma". We're still paying for slavery. Imagine when the "chicken comes home to roost" of killing the most innocent and helpless among us.

[PSUFAN]

I think you're getting things a bit garbled, Tom. The radical Republicans of 135 years ago are not those of today. In fact, it seems you forget that in the second half of the 20th century, many self-professed bigots switched from the Democratic Party to the GOP.

You may uphold the spirit of the original GOP, but you're one of the few, in my estimation.

[Tom In VA]

What's your point?

My point ?

I agree with Steele, I said as much after the election and as I've gotten into argument after argument with my father - it's time for the GOP to focus on getting back fiscal conservatism and the U.S. Constitution. "Social Issues" be damned, so to speak. But I do so reluctantly for the issues I just mentioned. I wanted to throw that opinion in there.


PSUFAN,

You are correct. I don't forget that fact, it's just I might - underestimate their presence. But I do believe their presence and political weight in the party is vastly overstated. Just as the overstatement of hardcore communists in the Democratic is overstated IMHO. Could be where I live and the fact half my family is Northern Virginia native and the other half is from Brooklyn. I'm half Yankee :D

[GOSD]

Reach out to those who favor abortion "rights?" Sorry, he should have used another term. While the issue of abortion will never be solved you aren't going to make certain people think it's a "right." Not gonna happen. Do I think the GOP should drop the abortion issue? No doubt. They need to let it go. Let the individual make her own decision that she has to live with. There are too many people in society who simply think it's OK to abort a life. If the GOP wants to stay afloat they need to concentrate on economic, education, health and safety issues and leave the abortion issue personal.

Concerning what you believe about "economic, education and health", I'd kindly like to tell you to shut the fuck up! Republicans can't do that either. They are going to stick with rallying the stupid fucking idiots for a couple more decades, because any idea they come up with concerning the continued existence of our nation, fails.

[War Wagon]

Sounds like he's giving them good advice.

So, you support abortion on demand and fags getting married.

Makes sense, I suppose. Fags can't have babies, so you're killing two birds with one stone.

[War Wagon]

I don't give much of a fuck about either issue.

The issues have your tacit support, then. That's your option, and you may do so at the peril of your own family, but not mine.

I do give a fuck, and I vote.

I'm not going to look the other way and pretend it doesn't matter, because it does.

I identify with the party who opposes murdering the unborn and believes homosexuality is an abomination. Those beliefs will never change for any reason, least of all for political expediency. If the RNC under Steele veers from these core values, then you can damn sure bet I'll look elsewhere for leadership.

[War Wagon]

It's not about emotion.

Any society that permits or sanctions murder of unborn innocents is a very sick one.

That's why I fear you.

[.m2]

It's not about emotion.

Any society that permits or sanctions murder of unborn innocents is a very sick one.

That's why I fear you.

Odds are you're too stupid to see the irony.


This is why evolution... has put you in the Midwest.


It need a place to bury it's kill.





the truth

[Mikey]

WW will be voting for James Dobson in the next election.

[Terry in Crapchester]

people who share my view

I don't know whether to laugh or to tremble in fear.

[poptart]

The GOP, clueless as usual.


Let's see ...

The American people, according to polling and voting, come down overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

The majority of American people also think, according to polling, that abortion should be legal only under certain conditions and that public funding ought not be available.


So what a winner of a strategy.
Let's prop up candidates who are in the MINORITY on both issues. LOL

Dumb.Fucking.Shits.

Deserving of losing elections.


B.H. Obama didn't win the '08 election because of his views on fruit marriage or abortion rights.

He won the election because the current GOP prez was historically unpopular, the candidate the GOP ran was TOO liberal, and B.H. Obama ran an effective campaign.

And it's MY take that even as BAD a candidate as McCain was, he would likely have been able to pull out the election if he had come out AGAINST the bailout.

If he had come out strongly in opposition to the bailout he would have seen a surge in his polling numbers and may have been able to sway things his way.

He missed a GOLDEN opportunity on that.

Voting yea for that was the kiss of death.


If the GOP wants to gain favor with the American people they will prop up candiates who are FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE and Constitutionally aligned.

[trev]

Reach out to those who favor abortion "rights?" Sorry, he should have used another term. While the issue of abortion will never be solved you aren't going to make certain people think it's a "right." Not gonna happen. Do I think the GOP should drop the abortion issue? No doubt. They need to let it go. Let the individual make her own decision that she has to live with. There are too many people in society who simply think it's OK to abort a life. If the GOP wants to stay afloat they need to concentrate on economic, education, health and safety issues and leave the abortion issue personal.

Concerning what you believe about "economic, education and health", I'd kindly like to tell you to shut the fuck up! Republicans can't do that either. They are going to stick with rallying the stupid fucking idiots for a couple more decades, because any idea they come up with concerning the continued existence of our nation, fails.

You started up a troll for that?

[Screw_Michigan]

It's FUBUtard/Guntslinger/Birdy, are you really surprised?

[PSUFAN]

even as BAD a candidate as McCain was, he would likely have been able to pull out the election if he had come out AGAINST the bailout.

If he had come out strongly in opposition to the bailout he would have seen a surge in his polling numbers and may have been able to sway things his way.

He missed a GOLDEN opportunity on that.

Voting yea for that was the kiss of death.

Exactly. However, the issue is a perfect example of how McCain was painted into a corner. Not only did McCain's handlers have him come out in favor of the bailout, they tried to portray him as so passionate about it that he was going to "suspend his campaign" in order to lead the effort. This came in response to what his now very much discredited campaign team felt was important. If McCain had been guided by his own instincts all along, he might have gained ground with real conservatives. Perhaps not, though - McCain has been a goat to those folks for quite a long time. Everything about the McCain campaign stunk of desperation.

So make no mistake - a black RNC chairman begging for a more socially inclusive platform for the party is basically the GOP's last gasp effort before they have to chuck the whole thing and start from scratch. Like I said - they're doomed. Whoever rises from the ashes will do so when they emphasize the core values that made the GOP what it was in the early 80s - and even then, it won't be easy against a solid progressive POTUS who has been succeeding.

[Dinsdale]

I don't give much of a fuck about either issue.

As a real conservative, I care very much about both issues... and feel the legislatures/voters of each individual state should actually be given the opportunity to vote how they see fit on the matters*.


Because the US Constitution told me those issues were none of the Fed's fucking business. And that's what the GOP, and modst people who describe themselves as "conservatives" don't seem to get -- they're not willing to take the bad with the good when it comes to conservatism... hence the ill-fated neocon movement, which set conservatism back several decades. When the GOP, or an emerging party actually PRACTICES conservatism, things might change. "Conservatives" like Whitey, who are willi8ng to toss the Conservatives' Bible (US Constitution) aside when it suits them are what kills the movement.


* - most of them did on gay marriage... it was overwhelming. In '06, here in Oregon, it was a citizens initiative on the ballot to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Considering an openly gay man was elected as mayor in Oregon's largest city (huuuuuuge mistake-btw), it's hardly fair to characterize Oregonians as "homophobes," or any such nonsense, and while Oregon's anti-gay marriage vote was the closest of any state in the country in 06, it still passed (no gay marriage) with plenty of room to spare.

[Dinsdale]

Anyway, that guy was pro-choice and supported gay rights.

Because that is the nature of Conservatism. It's not an individual's job to dictate what other individuals do when it doesn't have any direct æffect on their lives.

[JayDuck]

The problem with the Gay Marriage and Abortion issues aren't about how people are voting right now. Its about reading the trend and getting out before they get fucked. Gay marriage bans pass right now, but they are passing by smaller margins each time.

The Christian right is going to take the Party down with them, if they haven't already, because they have this foolish belief that they can close Pandora's box, after its been opened. Not going to happen. We get socially more liberal with each passing generation, and taboos become more and more accepted. You can argue until you are blue in the face, about your values, but you simply are not going to reverse this tide. The GOP is going to bring less and less people of future generations into their fold unless they lighten up on these social taboos. Wether it is women in the workplace, interacial marriages, swearing, tatoos & piercings, porn, gay marriage, or whatever social issues you can think of. The more exposure you have of it, the more accepted it becomes, and because of that, over time this always leads to more liberally accepted social norms.

Also, they are simply non-issues, from the standpoint that they don't swing votes. If you are care that much about your anti-abortion beliefs, you know that the democrats are more lenient there and you vote repiblican every time. There's nobody sitting there, planning an Abortion clinic bombing, and on the fence about wether they are voting Republican or Democrat.

If all your issue does for you is some form of "rallying the base", its a bad thing to focus on. The people that care enough about these issues to be "rallied" don't need much motivation to vote.

[PSUFAN]

Also, the timing is rotten. No one cares about their clumsy token efforts at this point. They just lost the fucking election. Instead of rallying their base, they are reaching out to fags and pro-choice people?

What - did they recently hire the Vatican PR team, or something?

[Tom In VA]

Also, the timing is rotten. No one cares about their clumsy token efforts at this point. They just lost the fucking election. Instead of rallying their base, they are reaching out to fags and pro-choice people?

Agree on the timing. Disagree with you throwing around the "token" word (as well as MVSCAL), there does exist a significant number of minorities that hold onto conservative values, it's about time they were showcased. A friend of mine opined about the "color" of RNC convention photos and how it was a vast sea of white people. There is no rule or exclusion of anyone, it's people's choice. Since Nixon, the DNC has won the propaganda campaign of lies associating the conservative base of the RNC with the orphaned southern democrats. This misconception must be smashed - and who better to do it than conservative minorities.

As for the "token" efforts regarding abortion and gay marriage. I think JSC explained that Goldwater conservatives are all about individual choice and freedom. Mind your own business and as long as your business doesn't interfere with my business - we're cool.

But, going back to your timing, I can't argue that.

[PSUFAN]

Similarly, choosing Sarah Palin was a disastrous, transparent move. Of course there are female conservative figures who are at least passably conversant on a couple of issues...Palin isn't one of them.

These people need to be chosen on MERIT - or it will explode in their faces.

[Terry in Crapchester]

If the GOP wants to gain favor with the American people they will prop up candiates who are FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE . . .

Good luck with that. The last Republican Presidential candidate about whom that was true was Gerald Ford.

and Constitutionally aligned.

This is the Republican Party we're talking about. Now I know you're trolling.

[Dinsdale]

and Constitutionally aligned.

This is the Republican Party we're talking about. Now I know you're trolling.

I'd say the trolling is on your part. mvscal gave a very good synopsis on true conservatism. He also noted that the GOP has gotten away from true conservatism a long time ago, and that the very basis of their platform needs to go back to conservatism, rather than the Republicrat platform they have embraced for a long time.


Seemed pretty basic, if you actually read it.

I'll even RACK mv for such a good, brief rundown of the true conservative movement vs. the GOP status quo. The GOP represents true conservatives about equally well as the Dems do -- IOW, not at all.

[PSUFAN]

Oh and spare me the bullshit lie that you were actually considering voting for McCoot before he selected Palin. You weren't and everyone here knows it.

You're entirely wrong. I certainly was considering it.

[Terry in Crapchester]

and Constitutionally aligned.

This is the Republican Party we're talking about. Now I know you're trolling.

I'd say the trolling is on your part. mvscal gave a very good synopsis on true conservatism. He also noted that the GOP has gotten away from true conservatism a long time ago, and that the very basis of their platform needs to go back to conservatism, rather than the Republicrat platform they have embraced for a long time.


Seemed pretty basic, if you actually read it.

I'll even RACK mv for such a good, brief rundown of the true conservative movement vs. the GOP status quo. The GOP represents true conservatives about equally well as the Dems do -- IOW, not at all.

Oh, he talks a good game on that point, all right. The problem lies in his application of it.

I suspect that if you were to ask mvscal for an example of what he's looking for, he'd cite Reagan. Of course, it was Reagan who brought the nutjobs he now bemoans into the Republican Party's umbrella in the first place, all for the sake of winning an election.

[Tom In VA]

Of course you understand absolutely nothing about genuinely conservative values.

Admittedly, I'm learning. But "absolutely nothing" ? C'mon man, give me a break. I get this:

Small, unintrusive government and individual liberty are the core values of conservative political philosophy. That is what needs to emphasized. Keeping more of the money that you earn and keeping the government the fuck out of your personal life has nothing to do with race, gender, religion or ethnicity and has appeal to all of those groups.

Thanks Marcus.

[Dinsdale]

Uhm... Ray-gun was fiscally irresponsible. And bhringing the thumpers and tarot card readers and astrologers into the mix flies in the face of conservatism.

[JayDuck]

And bhringing the thumpers and tarot card readers and astrologers into the mix flies in the face of conservatism.

Its not like he had any choice, since they were the only way he was able to still communicate with the world of the living.