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Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 2:05 pm**

Given these choices and assuming money is the same, who do you take?

1. Mario Williams or Jared Allen?

2. Steve Smith or Wes Welker?

3. Jason Witten or Antonio Gates?

4. Adrian Wilson or Bob Sanders?

5. Brian Westbrook or Clinton Portis?

6. Brian Urlacher or Kirk Morrison?

7. Tony Romo or Carson Palmer?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 2:38 pm**

1. Mario Williams
2. Steve Smith
3. Jason Witten
4. Bob Sanders
5. Brian Westbrook
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Tony Romo

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 2:55 pm**

poptart wrote:Given these choices and assuming money is the same, who do you take?

1. Mario Williams or Jared Allen? Mario Williams

2. Steve Smith or Wes Welker? Steve Smith

3. Jason Witten or Antonio Gates? Whitten

4. Adrian Wilson or Bob Sanders? Bob Sanders

5. Brian Westbrook or Clinton Portis? Westbrook

6. Brian Urlacher or Kirk Morrison? Kirk Morrison

7. Tony Romo or Carson Palmer? Palmer

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 4:16 pm**

1. Mario Williams
2. Steve Smith
3. Antonio Gates
4. Bob Sanders
5. Brian Westbrook
6. Kirk Morrison
7. Carson Palmer

Tough one between Palmer and Romo, but I go with Palmer for now.

Gates over Witten any day.

Williams is younger than Allen and seems to be a little more level headed, so Williams is the guy.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 4:30 pm**

1. Mario Williams
2. Steve Smith
3. Jason Witten (though Tony Gonzalez is BETTER)
4. Bob Sanders
5. Brian Westbrook
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Carson Palmer

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 4:44 pm**

In a league dominated by "what have you done for me lately".....

Witten: 96 REC, 1145 YDS, 7 TDS
Gates: 75 REC, 984 YDS, 9 TDS

I gotta go with Witten, and just think, he's not even the featured receiver on the team unlike Gates. I don't see it being hands down Gates like MV and Frump seem to think. Let the debate begin.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 4:57 pm**

DallasFanatic wrote: Witten: 96 REC, 1145 YDS, 7 TDS
Gates: 75 REC, 984 YDS, 9 TDS

Let the debate begin.

Gonzo: 99 rec, 1172 yds, 5 TDs - on a 4-12 football team.

What debate?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 5:06 pm**

Thats just it, Gates IS the go-to-guy meaning without any attention being drawn away from him, defenses were doubling up on him. Give Gates a receiver like Owens to play off of and his numbers will go up. Also, Gates was banged up last year for a few games making the "what have you done for me lately" angle meaningless.

I think Chambers getting a full season with SD and Jackson's continued development, you're going to see a monster year out of Gates this year. He offers more athleticism than Witten and is much more dangerous down in the redzone.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 6:34 pm**

Admittedly I see Whitten play 2x a year whereas I might see Gates and Gonzo 1x. There is no question that Gates is the better athlete but Whitten brings a lot to the table for the Cowboys including his run and pass blocking. His pass catching number speak for themselves.

Consider my hatred for the Cowboys and my praise for this guy.... it's a hard thing to do but Whitten is a very good TE and Garret has figured out how to incorporate him more in the passing game. His numbers will not drop off.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 6:37 pm**

mvscal wrote:Allen
Smith
Gates (how is that even a dilemma?)
Sanders
Westbrook
Morrison
Palmer (no real difference though)

Are you finally warming up to Westbrook?

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 6:57 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:Admittedly I see Whitten play 2x a year whereas I might see Gates and Gonzo 1x. There is no question that Gates is the better athlete but Whitten brings a lot to the table for the Cowboys including his run and pass blocking. His pass catching number speak for themselves.

Consider my hatred for the Cowboys and my praise for this guy.... it's a hard thing to do but Whitten is a very good TE and Garret has figured out how to incorporate him more in the passing game. His numbers will not drop off.

Holy crap jimbo, let me make some room aboard the wagon.

I'm not saying Witten is hands down better than Gates. I just think he brings more to the table and is a better bang for your buck.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 7:12 pm**

I will assume for next year only.

1. Jared Allen
2. Wes Welker
3. Jason Witten
4. Bob Sanders
5. Brian Westbrook
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Tony Romo

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 7:44 pm**

mvscal wrote: 4-12, huh? I guess he had a lot of catches because they had a lot of catching up to do, don't you think?

Well, that and the fact that with LJ hurt, a decimated O-line, and the only other option at WR being a rookie, they didn't have many "go to" guys other than Gonzo.

Hall of Fame player, though.

FTFY

Get back to me when Gates has over 12+ years in the league playing at a Pro-Bowl caliber level.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 7:57 pm**

mvscal wrote:
DallasFanatic wrote: I just think he brings more to the table
More of what...exactly? Certainly not points or big plays. Witten is good, he's just not as good as Gates.

Blocking, toughness, locker room presence, and leadership come to mind.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 8:00 pm**

DallasFanatic wrote:toughness, locker room presence, and leadership come to mind.

Are you serious?

How do you know Gates doesn't have that in him?

You are definitely spinning here, DF.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 8:07 pm**

1. Mario Williams

2. Steve Smith (we had Wes Welker and got rid of him)

3. Antonio Gates (are you kidding?)

4. Bob Sanders

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Kirk Morrison

7. Carson Palmer

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 8:08 pm**

RumpleForeskin wrote:
DallasFanatic wrote:toughness, locker room presence, and leadership come to mind.
Are you serious?

How do you know Gates doesn't have that in him?

You are definitely spinning here, DF.

Joe in PB's grandmother's brothers, half-sister told me. Nuff said.

Posted: **Wed May 28, 2008 11:35 pm**

For those pimping T. Gonz, you might consider age.
I didn't set this up as a one year deal.
I just asked who you wanted.
I think you take Gates or Witten over Gonzo at this point.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2008 1:44 am**

poptart wrote: I think you take Gates or Witten over Gonzo at this point.

Oh yeah?

Well you're not auction drafting in the JFFL this year, so your opinion counts for squat.

:wink:

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2008 6:35 pm**

...I had TG and dumped him.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 4:11 pm**

DallasFanatic wrote:1. Mario Williams
2. Steve Smith
3. Jason Witten
4. Bob Sanders
5. Brian Westbrook
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Tony Romo

+1

And yeah, I'd take Witten over Gates every day. He's a 5 tool player with leadership that the team responds to, and that can't be taught. Witten is a HOF player.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 4:45 pm**

How can you tag a guy as a HOFer when he as only played 5 seasons?

Man, look at all that myopia oozing from DF and HH's heads.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 6:24 pm**

RumpleForeskin wrote:How can you tag a guy as a HOFer when he as only played 5 seasons?

Man, look at all that myopia oozing from DF and HH's heads.

Says the king of Myopia.

Was it not you who said Andre Johnson will be on the list of the 10 best all time receivers? And I'm myopic because I think Witten will continue on his course to the hall of fame? Nigga please.

But it's also good to know that TE HOF credentials begin and end with touchdowns.When the fuck did that become the litmus test for a good/great TE? Oh yeah, when you started getting great TE's on teams with no fucking receivers. Gotcha.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 6:51 pm**

So the tight end who scores the most touchdowns is the best TE?

No flaw in that logic.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 6:54 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Says the king of Myopia.

Was it not you who said Andre Johnson will be on the list of the 10 best all time receivers? And I'm myopic because I think Witten will continue on his course to the hall of fame? Nigga please.

There is one glaring word that is ommitted from your statement. I said Andre Johnson "will" be on that list 10 years from now.

I would have been more agreeable had you said Witten "will" be a HOFer instead flat out just saying he is a HOFer.

EAD.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 7:01 pm**

Yes, an active player has already been inducted in the HOF. If you couldn't figure out what that meant you should probably deep throat a shot gun. Good lord rumps, are this fucking stupid in real life, or do you make a special effort for us?

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 7:19 pm**

You're too stupid to figure out what I meant by that. It's okay, I prepared for this.

What you said is Jason Witten is a HoFer right now which means if his career ended today then he would be a HoFer.

Of course I know you can't be in the HoF unless you've been retired for 5 years.

I'm simply pointing out that anything can happen and you are a dumbfuck.

Who knows, Bennett could come in there and play better than Witten. Or, Witten can suffer a serious injury and never bounce back from it.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 7:44 pm**

RumpleForeskin wrote:You're too stupid to figure out what I meant by that. It's okay, I prepared for this.

What you said is Jason Witten is a HoFer right now which means if his career ended today then he would be a HoFer.

Of course I know you can't be in the HoF unless you've been retired for 5 years.

I'm simply pointing out that anything can happen and you are a dumbfuck.

Who knows, Bennett could come in there and play better than Witten. Or, Witten can suffer a serious injury and never bounce back from it.

But Andre Johnson can't get hurt, and if he does he's still top 10 all time? Talk out of both sides of your mouth much?

Of course dudes could get hurt. every fucking player in the NFL is one play away from injury/paralysis/death.

Got any more brilliant water is wet arguments?

If you're so fucking stupid that you think that when I said Witten is a HOF'er I meant he'd already been inducted or had done enough already , you're a blithering idiot of epic proportions. Got anymore straw men you'd like to trot out.

I mean, really, your argument over the word "will" is really the stuff everyone is tuning in for.

I mean fuck, at least mvs and I are fans of the teams the players are on, so we'll never agree. But your fascination with a debate over who's future forecasting of a players career is less predicated on the 'what if" is fucking genius. Bravo Rumps. You're getting close to your effective running game stupidity. Keep it up, champ. I'm sure you can top yourself.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 8:09 pm**

Headhunter wrote:Good lord rumps, are this fucking stupid in real life, or do you make a special effort for us?

RumpleForeskin wrote:You're too stupid to figure out what I meant by that. It's okay, I prepared for this.

RACK any and all KC Tard resets.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2008 8:15 pm**

Even cut-n-pasting one of Paul's takes at this point would be a step up.

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