Welcome to the New Reich (Spellcheck courtesy of PSU)

[Dinsdale]

Oh, and Dins, please, since you keep on typing it, the word you want is "breach", not "breech".

Pretty sure you don't mean to keep talking about pants...

I have misspelled that word several times now.

Of course, I saw more than one golden opportunity to run spelling/grammarsmack on some of our mighty stalwarts of literacy, Van and velo.

In a thread that spawned nearly-decent discussion and was almost thought-provoking, I chose to pass.

Way to take that high-raod, Vannar.

[Van]

Dins, were it just a typo I'd leave it be. However, since you kept doing it and since I know you wouldn't want to unknowingly keep making the same mistake I genuinely thought I'd simply help you out on this one occasion so that you wouldn't keep doing it in the future.

You never know. Someone less kindly and respectful and full of admiration than moi might decide to try to use it against you, and we'd both hate to see that.

Oh, and please, if ever you catch me making any repeated spelling and/or grammar errors, yes, by all means kindly correct me.

Neither high road nor low road, in other words. Pure face value. Just helpin' a literary minded brotha' out, is all.

[War Wagon]

I'm not sure what it has to do with the current state of the topic, but yes...I did.

I point that out because it shows how you leap from one absurd extreme to another at the drop of a hat. Getting your ass handed to you about Bush = Hitler? No problem, just move on to the next talking point about the BOR being violated, and type bunches and bunches of smart sounding (you hope) words hoping to obfuscate the facts. And the facts are that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I see you working Dins. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit, and hope that nobody notices. As you are quite aware from the results of this thread so far, that strategy isn't working.

You can boil these similarities down even further by simply stating that both are just absolutely flaming examples of "liberal" leaders. Another similarity would be both of their abilities to take liberties with the status quo (hence, the term "liberal") and have people take a passive stance towards it.

Yet somehow, any time you use the names Bush and Hitler in the same paragraph, the reactionaries put their brains away and come out in force. Both were/are leaders of large nations that were undergoing extreme political unrest during their tenures, and one can certainly compare and contrast how the two very different leaders of the two very different countries dealt with the ever-changing political climate in their respective nations...BUT WAIT!!! That would be making a Bush/Hitler comparison, which obviously wouldn't be approprite...if you're an unobjective retard. Our Right to Free Spech apparently ends with using the names Hitler and Bush in the same sentence, or at least in the minds of some of the "geat Americans" here.

No,no, no. By all means, you every right to make preposterous statements comparing Bush to Hitler. Just expect to get eviserated, point by absurd point, when the likes of a Van gets aholt of one of your rambling, inane, non-sensical diatribes at 2 am.

There's really not much that needed to be added to Van's dismantling of your non-sense regarding Bush v. Hitler. One can just go back and read that anytime one wants.

But I'd like to add a few points that maybe others haven't already expounded upon. I'm not going to pretend to be a scholar about the rise and fall of Adolph Hitler, but I was fascinated that such a creature once existed and exerted considerable influence over the history of the 20th century. I've read a few books and studied up like so that one day 30 years later I could be prepared to argue this very subject on the intranet.

Hitler wanted to create the "master race". Being tall, blonde, blue-eyed and white as a sheet seemed to get you automatic inclusion into this club. And that was interesting, considering that old Adolph had none of these traits himself. So anyways, the plan seemed to be to wipe out the rest of humanity who didn't fit within these parameters by whatever means possible. Gas chambers were a pretty effective means of exterminating some of the more easily corraled vermin that Hitler loathed, but no way was he going to accomplish his dream in totality simply using gas chambers. No! He must take his war to those who might oppose his goal, even if it meant fighting a war on multiple fronts.

Simply put, that strategy didn't work out very well for him either. The man was an insane megalomaniac, and we all know how that story ended.

Which brings me back to saying that any comparison between Bush and Hitler being similar in any way whatsoever is perhaps the most ridiculous stretch of bullshit in the history of message boards.

[Dinsdale]

I point that out because it shows how you leap from one absurd extreme to another at the drop of a hat. Getting your ass handed to you about Bush = Hitler? No problem, just move on to the next talking point about the BOR being violated

Uhm, retard -- that was the entire point I was making in my comparison.

Holy shit, are you smoking crack, dude?

Do you even remember how this came up? That civil rights were curtailed? THAT WAS MY WHOLE FUCKING COMPARISON, IDIOT.

As a matter of fact, you've now proven yourself so flagrantly fucking stupid, I'm not even going to read the rest of your post, beyond what I quoted.

As a matter of fact, you now no longer even exist in this thread, as far as I'm concerned. That's your fallout for being such a moronic fucktard to such an extreme.

Post what you will from here on out in this thread. I'll be scrolling on by and not reading a word of it.

[Dinsdale]

Last edited by Van on 05 Mar 2006 03:23 pm; edited 1 time in total

BWA!

You made me raff, Vanman.

You saw the obvious, and edited that badboy before I even had the chance to come back with

Oh, and please, if ever you catch me making any repeated spelling and/or grammar errors, yes, by all means kindly correct me.

Then for fuck's sake, mix in a freaking comma!

Well done.

[Diogenes]

Awfully big historical stretch to make a point that really has nothing to do with anything, don't you think?

Fair enough to say that the Nazis and the KPD both opposed the Weimar Republic, but to say they were "united" is flat out stupid, which is pretty evident from that whole deal where the Nazis hunted down the KBR and imprisoned them, wouldn't you say?

It's irrelevant, regardless.

It's a historical fact.

Or does the fact that Hitler invaded Russia mean the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact never existed?

Molotov-Ribbentrop existed, yes.

The Nazis and the communinsts united? No, such a scenario never existed. M-R was purely a smokescreen meant to buy Hitler time until his long planned betrayal came to fruition when without provocation the Werhmacht inevitably marched to the U&R... (Dins parlance, dontchaknow...)

Actually I was refering to...

In the Weimar republic era, the KPD maintained a solid electoral performance, gaining 100 deputies in the November 1932 elections. In the presidential election of the same year, Thälmann took 13.2% of the vote, compared to Hitler's 30.1%.

However, at the same time, the KPD pursued the disastrous policy of "Social Fascism", concentrating on the Social Democrats first, assuming that the Nazis were no immediate threat and that a Nazi regime would quickly collapse. This prevented the formation of a left-wing anti-Nazi alliance that perhaps could have stopped Hitler's rise to power(but would have surely lead to the Communists rise to power as well).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany

In response to...

You can boil these similarities down even further by simply stating that both are just absolutely flaming examples of "liberal" leaders.

Weimar represented liberalism, which is why the Nazis and Communists united in opposing them.

Kind of like the neo-communist Dems and the neo-mercantilist Buchannanites are united in their Anti-Bush rhetoric now, since you like 'similarities' so much.

And the point (in context) is that portraying Hitler as a 'liberal leader' is...

Just so Dimsdale.

Clueless and full of shit.

[socal]

Holy shit! 17 pages and nary a credit card theft nor an Inky Dave sighting be had.

Fuck 40 days. You fuckers need lent year-round.

[Van]

Okay, Dio, gotcha. Thanks.

[Van]

Holy shit! 17 pages and nary a credit card theft nor an Inky Dave sighting be had.

Fuck 40 days. You fuckers need lent year-round.

No personal threats...

No disclosed personal info...

No phone calls made...

No behind the scenes IPO nonsense...

Wtf???

[socal]

Holy shit! 17 pages and nary a credit card theft nor an Inky Dave sighting be had.

Fuck 40 days. You fuckers need lent year-round.

No personal threats...

No disclosed personal info...

No phone calls made...

No behind the scenes IPO nonsense...

Wtf???

WTF is right. How many fucking hours did you sit here and pound this shit out? Don't you have like 8 or 10 guitars you could be tuning? Is Susan out of town? That rake of yours break?

[Diogenes]

I don't know if I can handle Lent year round.

Just sayin'

[Van]

<--------Agnostic.

Fuck Lent. I ain't givin' up SHIT!!

SoCal, it pains me to admit this but I recently sold off seven of my fucking guitars plus my Fender Twin in order to buy....

.....another motorcycle.



Notice I didn't contribute to that thread of Filthy's, the one where he asked us to post pics of our guitar gear?

That's why I didn't contribute. I'm down to only three guitars (two electrics and an electric/acoustic, with a third electric on the way, a custom built Strat), three amps, two speaker cabinets and my pedalboard.

The guitars I still have? Yep, they're in tune. Don't need to allocate any time there.

Fuck a buncha rakes. It's cold and it's raining. Yeah, I'd rather banter
with Dins!! What's it to ya'??

[Diogenes]

Total Gnostic here.

I could give you all the answers and shit, but you don't want to know.

Besides, they're lagging on the theology forum.

[Diego in Seattle]

The part you left off...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated...

If there is probable cause to believe that a terrorist act is being planned and/or executed, there is no time for a warrant and it is nessecary and yes REASONABLE to investigate immediatly instead of waiting for one.

Unless the investigators can prove that the terrorists were planning for an attack in the next few hours or so, it is unreasonable to conduct a search (or wiretap).

You see, they have these things called telephonic warrants.......warrants that are obtained over the phone with judges available 24/7. They don't even need to drive down to the 7-11 to use the pay phone to obtain the warrants these days, either; the availability of cell phones now make it possible for a cop to obtain a warrant w/in a 5-10 minutes of obtaining information justifying the search/wiretap.

So you can basically shove your "there's no time for warrants" argument & shove it up your ass.

[Dr_Phibes]

the Nazis and Communists united

Awfully big historical stretch to make a point that really has nothing to do with anything, don't you think?


It's irrelevant, regardless.

Actually, in his own twisted way Dio is getting to the heart of the matter. It's another Straussian idea - mankind is by nature wicked and unless he is controlled he falls into nihilism. As an example Strauss used the Weimar Republic - he considered it a liberal society, thus Nazism and Communism were free to flourish.

As the United States is now considered a liberal country, strong counter measures are required to prevent this from happening. Religion gives the people a moral compass and civil rights are curtailed to keep you all from becoming nihilists, going cuckoo and killing six million jews or as the Communists did - ten hundred million gazillion people.

Thats why he's comparing the democrats to communists and old school consevatives to Nazis.

It's completely fucked.

[Diogenes]

the Nazis and Communists united

Awfully big historical stretch to make a point that really has nothing to do with anything, don't you think?


It's irrelevant, regardless.

Actually, in his own twisted way Dio is getting to the heart of the matter. It's another Straussian idea - mankind is by nature wicked and unless he is controlled he falls into nihilism. As an example Strauss used the Weimar Republic - he considered it a liberal society, thus Nazism and Communism were free to flourish.

As the United States is now considered a liberal country, strong counter measures are required to prevent this from happening. Religion gives the people a moral compass and civil rights are curtailed to keep you all from becoming nihilists, going cuckoo and killing six million jews or as the Communists did - ten hundred million gazillion people.

Thats why he's comparing the democrats to communists and old school consevatives to Nazis.

It's completely fucked.

Actually I'm doing no such thing. Mearly making the obvious observation that extremists of both fringes will unite against the center.

I could have used the example of Hamiltonians who wanted war with France uniting with Jeffersonians who worshiped the Jacobins against John Adams in the 1800 election, but you wouldn't get that either.


Ross Perot and Bill Clinton maybe?

[RadioFan]

Damn.

I leave for a few days and you guys get downright readable.


Rack the hell out of this thread.

War Van selling guitars and Dins skipping off the back 9.

[BSmack]

Just a little note for those who think that geography is supposed to be no more than "learning where countries are on a map". This is the State of Colorado's Model Content Standards for Geography.

People everywhere have a need to know about the nature of their world, beginning with themselves. Therefore, geography has to do with both asking questions and solving problems, as well as memorization of facts. Geography is composed of three interrelated and inseparable components: knowledge, skills, and perspectives. Investigating the geographic dimension of human experience begins with asking the following:

* Where is it?
* Why is it there?
* How and why does it affect the people in this place?
* In what other places do people confront this issue?
* How and why are these places related?
* What alternatives do people have to improve their situation?

The answers to these and other questions constitute geography.

http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/standards/geog.htm

We can disagree about the alleged "slant" of Bennish's presentation. But it is certainly within the scope of the curriculum as dictated by the State of Colorado to analyze and discuss current geopolitical events.

Mike,

Just a few quick points.

1. Lobbing cruise missiles in the general direction of humans presupposes that innocent people will die. The military even has a term for the phenomena. It is called "collateral damage". That's a nice way of saying that it is inevitable that innocent people will die in an armed conflict. So, in that regard, the decision to fire the missiles was a deliberate decision to kill whatever happened to be on the ground at that time. Ergo, to do so on the basis of shoddy intelligence is nothing better than criminal negligence.

2. Capitalism in and of itself may not require that people suffer. However, it does not actively seek to promote the good of humanity either. It strikes me that capitalism promises entirely less than it ultimately delivers in regards to human welfare, whereas socialism delivers far less than it promises. Maybe that is why we as Americans find socialism so reprehensible.

3. As much as my sympathy for Bennish's views might color my perception of his teaching, it is apparent in your writing that your dislike of his perceived views is coloring your take. That is apparent when you say things like "I'm an American and not about to cede my national sovereignty to any "citizen of the world/one world government" crap". That is nothing more than putting words into Bennish's mouth that he did not say, and IMO, did not even imply.

[Diogenes]

Right..

Bottom line, just one more reason we need school choice.

[Van]

Just a little note for those who think that geography is supposed to be no more than "learning where countries are on a map". This is the State of Colorado's Model Content Standards for Geography.

People everywhere have a need to know about the nature of their world, beginning with themselves. Therefore, geography has to do with both asking questions and solving problems, as well as memorization of facts. Geography is composed of three interrelated and inseparable components: knowledge, skills, and perspectives. Investigating the geographic dimension of human experience begins with asking the following:

* Where is it?
* Why is it there?
* How and why does it affect the people in this place?
* In what other places do people confront this issue?
* How and why are these places related?
* What alternatives do people have to improve their situation?

The answers to these and other questions constitute geography.

http://www.cde.state.co.us/cdeassess/standards/geog.htm

We can disagree about the alleged "slant" of Bennish's presentation.

Uhhh, yes, we can.

Comparing Hitler to Bush in what was essentially a one person diatribe that contained no edifying facts to support his case in no way has anything to do with anything on your list there.

But it is certainly within the scope of the curriculum as dictated by the State of Colorado to analyze and discuss current geopolitical events.

No, it most certainly isn't, not in the way he presented it. Like MtLR said, maybe had the teacher put out the topic as subject for debate and had he assigned different groups within the class to offer their arguments, sure, fine.

That isn't how it went down. He basically preached to a bunch of impressionable fifteen year olds, many of whom will simply later parrot what their teacher told them. Lacking any other initiative, that's often all that kids do when it comes to political food for thought.

"If the teacher said it, hey, good enough for me. I'll try to make myself sound smart and say something outrageous and anti establishment! Maybe Mary Sue Cum Lips will think I'm smart!", is often the thought process of the dimwitted fifteen year old.

The shit gets handed down, verbatim, and if a kid says it often enough he even comes to believe it.

1. Lobbing cruise missiles in the general direction of humans presupposes that innocent people will die. The military even has a term for the phenomena. It is called "collateral damage".

General society has an all purpose phrase for it as well: "Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette."

If Pakistan and Afghanistan don't want missiles being lobbed their way then maybe they might want to stop harboring al Queda. Despite the outcome of that particular intelligence and its cause and effect nobody in their right mind is going to try and deny that that village has in the recent past provided safe haven for those targeted by those bombs.

This is war. Shit happens, especially when you bring it on yourself.

That's a nice way of saying that it is inevitable that innocent people will die in an armed conflict. So, in that regard, the decision to fire the missiles was a deliberate decision to kill whatever happened to be on the ground at that time. Ergo, to do so on the basis of shoddy intelligence is nothing better than criminal negligence.

Nope. It's war. While we didn't get who we most wanted to get we did in fact get a few al Queda members. So, that village is not without blame. They were harboring terrorists.

2. Capitalism in and of itself may not require that people suffer. However, it does not actively seek to promote the good of humanity either.

Nonsense. It promotes that which is best in humankind. Those societies that successfully adopt capitalism inevitably benefit from it far more than from any other economic system. Demeaning attempts at artificially sharing the wealth by lowering the standards across the board inevitably create a lower standard of living.

The U.S. is in the position of being the care taker of the world and the most generous nation in the history of the planet precisely because of their successful foray into unmatched freedoms combined with sustained capitalism.

It strikes me that capitalism promises entirely less than it ultimately delivers in regards to human welfare, whereas socialism delivers far less than it promises. Maybe that is why we as Americans find socialism so reprehensible.

Capitalism promises no limits in any direction, and here we are.

3. As much as my sympathy for Bennish's views might color my perception of his teaching, it is apparent in your writing that your dislike of his perceived views is coloring your take.

Once you peel away all the loftier notions discussed in this thread the bottom line is here we had a complete douche of a teacher soap boxing his personal anti American political beliefs to a group of fifteen year olds in a public school geography class. As if that isn't bad enough, the actual meat of his message was downright idiotic, and he delivered that message as Truth, not as an invitation to open debate.

That is apparent when you say things like "I'm an American and not about to cede my national sovereignty to any "citizen of the world/one world government" crap". That is nothing more than putting words into Bennish's mouth that he did not say, and IMO, did not even imply.

The guy did note that his view is the rest of the worl'ds view, without adding the necessary disclaimer that the rest of the world's view is irrelevant since this was a U.S. school and often as not the rest of the world necessarily licks our boots just to survive.

As needy and fucked up as the rest of the world is they're really in no position to be passing judgement on how their gravy train does things. They could only dream of rising to the level of being as fucked up as we are. So, as the saying goes, when we want their opinion we'll give it to them.

Overly harsh? Sure.

Brass tacks bottom line reality? Yep.

We set out and charted a political/economic course that has no parallels in world history. Based on the unwavering support of those unique tenets we've managed as a nation to quickly rise from nothing to a level of national and world success unheard of on planet earth.

That being the case, are we really supposed to give a rat's ass when jealous third world religious zealots cast stones in our general direction?? For that matter, are we really supposed to take heed when France bitches??

They're the fucking French.

Pot/kettle...glass houses...the whole nine yards.

[BSmack]

Uhhh, yes, we can.

Comparing Hitler to Bush in what was essentially a one person diatribe that contained no edifying facts to support his case in no way has anything to do with anything on your list there.

When you learn the difference between a direct comparison to Hitler and what Bennish did, get back to me. Until then, your posts are not even worth the time to read.

[Diogenes]

Uhhh, yes, we can.

Comparing Hitler to Bush in what was essentially a one person diatribe that contained no edifying facts to support his case in no way has anything to do with anything on your list there.

When you learn the difference between a direct comparison to Hitler and what Bennish did, get back to me. Until then, your posts are not even worth the time to read.

Irony.

[Van]

B, he didn't compare Bush and Hitler in all ways but he did make a direct comparison between them. He also didn't merely say something innocuous and true such as, "Hitler and Bush, both leaders of their respective countries."

No, he of course compared them in such a way as to be highly unflattering to Bush.

Spin it any way you need to in order to feel good about it but there's no dodging that's exactly what Benning did in front of a class of fifteen year olds...

There's also no escaping that fact that any such comparisons are completely ridiculous.

[BSmack]

B, he didn't compare Bush and Hitler in all ways but he did make a direct comparison between them. He also didn't merely say something innocuous and true such as, "Hitler and Bush, both leaders of their respective countries."

No, he of course compared them in such a way as to be highly unflattering to Bush.

If the shoe fucking fits, then go to the ball Cinderella.

[Van]

The shoe in no way fits though, and that's where you and Dins have failed in this thread.

It's a preposterous comparison.

[Diogenes]

Besides Hitler never stole an election, so why are you guys dissing him?

[poptart]

I'll give the little squid one thing.



He's prettier than Cindy SheMan.

[rozy]

Those last 2 posts were a good way to close this out.