Arab control of ports?

[Mister Bushice]

Second.

[Diogenes]

Third. :twisted:

I already said that not letting Congress be involved prior to the decision being made was a political misstep. The leftist hypocrites who don't give a shit about national security that are now bellyaching over this wouldn't have said a thing if they had been informed ahead of time, the vast majority of republicans would have been (and will be) satisfied by a more in depth investigation, and the xenophobic fucks who think that we should nuke Mecca, put a moat at the border and revoke citizenship of children of illegal aliens born in America are a distinct minority.

Even if they are the Leftists' last best hope of regaining Congress (talk about irony).

If you want to spend your money to take care of foreigners who knowingly break our laws go ahead and do it. You and your cheap labor buddies can spend till you're up to your eyeballs in dept for all I care.....just don't make me to do the same. You may like the open border, borrow and spend big government of the Bush administration...

Link?

[Solo]

A link won't help a blind man.

[Diogenes]

I've got nothing.

Thanks for playing, dipshit. For the record, I've been for discouraging illegal immigration since forever, only with methods that would actually work. We don't need a moat (or troops) on the border or to screw with the Constitution by denying so called 'anchor babies' their rights as Americans.

Fuck Tancredo, Savage and Buchannan with their union allies and their mindless xenophobic neo-mercantilist idiocy.

[War Wagon]

No hatred here, asshole. I'm just sick and tired of the mexican government thinking it's the duty of the American taxpayer to take care of their poor. If you want to spend your money to take care of foreigners who knowingly break our laws go ahead and do it. You and your cheap labor buddies can spend till you're up to your eyeballs in dept for all I care.....just don't make me to do the same. You may like the open border, borrow and spend big government of the Bush administration, but I sure as hell don't.

I may be in the republican minority, but it's a growing minority that's getting more and more frustrated with this administration (and congress) with each passing day. The party of fiscal conservatism, small government, and national security my ass. Fuck you and the big government elephant Bush rode in on.

Wildly careen off topic much? Hey Bushy, what happened to the not hi-jacking threads rule? Only enforced when it suits your agenda? I thought this thread was about DPW taking over operations of ports, not about illegal aliens or whatever.

I despise Diogenes NFL takes, and the bold type is fingernails on a chalkboard, but dude is spot on here and you're just another hysterical xenophobe w/o a clue.

Yeah, provide a link for your baseless accusations.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Buchanan is not a mercantilist, you asshead.

Must you fall for the old "banana in the tail-pipe" gag over and over?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Wildly careen off topic much? Hey Bushy, what happened to the not hi-jacking threads rule? Only enforced when it suits your agenda? I thought this thread was about DPW taking over operations of ports, not about illegal aliens or whatever.

I despise Diogenes NFL takes, and the bold type is fingernails on a chalkboard, but dude is spot on here and you're just another hysterical xenophobe w/o a clue.

Yeah, provide a link for your baseless accusations.

Yeah, Bushice. Save the shrinking population of Bush diehards and dead-enders holed up
in der bunker, with your magic delete function.

[Mister Bushice]

The only 9 page thread I ever saw stay on topic was the fuck thread. :)

Besides, our borders and ports have two things in common. Lack of security, which is the base topic of this thread, and the Bush Administration not doing enough to improve either situation, including this write off of the port management.

And from the sound of it, it appears that it is just another bad intelligence gap, as the coast guard gave the deal a thumbs down but those who lead went ahead with it anyway without congressional or presidential review.

[Diogenes]

Buchanan is not a mercantilist

I said Neo-mercantilist (or has he gotten on board with the whole free trade thing and I missed it) you ignorant neocom putz.

[Solo]

For the record, I've been for discouraging illegal immigration since forever

Fair enough.

only with methods that would actually work.

What would those methods be?

We don't need a moat (or troops) on the border

Nothing we've tried in the past twenty has worked. Maybe that will.

[Solo]

Yeah, provide a link for your baseless accusations.

What baseless accusations would you like a link for, whitey?

[RadioFan]

We don't need a moat (or troops) on the border

Nothing we've tried in the past twenty has worked. Maybe that will.

No, it won't. And at least the blind one ... i.e. YOU, in this case, is asking before assuming this time.

Word to the blind: Don't smack another poster if you don't have a fucking clue as to what your target's stance is on a given topic. Or religion. 'sup mvscal?

[War Wagon]

The only 9 page thread I ever saw stay on topic was the fuck thread. :)

Ground floor, babee.

Besides, our borders and ports have two things in common. Lack of security, which is the base topic of this thread, and the Bush Administration not doing enough to improve either situation, including this write off of the port management.

Hmm, write off? I hardly see that. Was British P&O who ran it before a similar write off? Are the Chinese companies who run the ports in Los Angeles a write off?

I think not. I think these are more lame attempts by the Bush & Co. haters to score brownie points however possible. Sorta' like other attempts I've seen around these parts to claim BODE and such, when no such BODE exists.

And from the sound of it, it appears that it is just another bad intelligence gap, as the coast guard gave the deal a thumbs down but those who lead went ahead with it anyway without congressional or presidential review.

I'll be needing a link on the Coast Guard thumbs down, but you already knew that.

Bottom line folks: This is business, not politics. What company in their right fucking mind spends $7 Billion and doesn't have the ability to take care of insuring ROI?

Are you people smoking crack, or are you just this deluded by irrational anger towards the current administration?

[RadioFan]

Are you people smoking crack, or are you just this deluded by irrational anger towards the current administration?

Mirror, meet WW.

If the sale goes through, don't think for one second that the DPW won't sneak a boatload of campaign contributions to the GOP, under the radar.

That shot in the dark hits closer to home than you may have realized or intended, but perhaps for different reasons.

The UAE recently made good on it's pledge of $100 million for Hurricane Katrina disaster relief - four times more than all other foreign countries combined. Many countries who pledged cash haven't up a dime yet.

Me-thinks that may have had a little something to do with the Bush administration looking on this deal in a favorable light, and for good reason.

Money talks.

So is it about money, or "not really" that big of a deal, with the Dems making political hay out of "nothing?" Or have you been listening to AM talk shows again?

[War Wagon]

What baseless accusations would you like a link for, whitey?

Ooh, whitey smack. Amazing how some of you think that works.

Just for starters Solo, you might want to see if you can back up your first ignorant sentence.

I'm just sick and tired of the mexican government thinking it's the duty of the American taxpayer to take care of their poor.

I'll not be expecting much more content than your original post contained, but good luck with that.

[Diogenes]

Since you asked....

What was working in the late 80s/early 90s was going after employers who hire illegals. That was a part of the 86 amnesty (which BTW Buish's program isn't_) until we had a change of administration (let's not mention any names) and enforcement was done away with. We should also have draconian measures against those who transport illegals and especially those who provide fake documentation. Getting rid of the government programs that provide assistance would help, but the real magnet is jobs. As far as 'Americans won't do that kind of work argument...
A)Let the free market decide.
B)Two words.
Chain Gang.

Oh yeah, if you are a child of illegal aliens born in this country, you are a citizen, end of story. Your parents, on the other hand, can go fuck themselves. Permenantly. If you have someone here legal to support and raise you, you can stay. If not, come back when you're older. Instead of parents coming here to have kids so they can stay, they can come here, their kids are citizens, but they can get the fuck out and NEVER will be welcome. No citizenship by proxy for the parents, no incentive. And you don't need to fuck with the Constitution.

[War Wagon]

So is it about money...

Yes.

Welcome to economics 101.

It's always about money. Or lack thereof.

Tell me you knew?

[RadioFan]

So is it about money...

Yes.

Welcome to economics 101.

It's always about money. Or lack thereof.

Tell me you knew?

Of your "take" on this subject, not really. Other than, "It's always about money. Or lack thereof." Only that's not the subject.

The subject is whether or not it's a good or a bad thing that the UAE is about to buy six major U.S. ports, errrr, "run" them. Earlier, you inferred that it was all about quid-pro-quo. Now you seem to be saying that this is no big deal, that it's just some sort of political opportunism for the opposing party, and not really a legitimate issue.

I think these are more lame attempts by the Bush & Co. haters to score brownie points however possible.

[Spicoli] Yay? [/Spicoli]

[Mister Bushice]

The subject is whether or not it's a good or a bad thing that the UAE is about to buy six major U.S. ports, errrr, "run" them. Earlier, you inferred that it was all about quid-pro-quo. Now you seem to be saying that this is no big deal, that it's just some sort of political opportunism for the opposing party, and not really a legitimate issue.

From everything being reported, it sounds just like another piss poor job at intel on the part of the Bush Administration. An appointee of Bushs had ties to this company, and so just like the post war iraq rebuilding, the contract went to that bidder with too few questions asked.

[Solo]

Don't smack another poster if you don't have a fucking clue as to what your target's stance is on a given topic.

Apologies to dio. Lesson learned.

Just for starters Solo, you might want to see if you can back up your first ignorant sentence.

About a year ago the Mexican government was passing out pamphlets promoting illegal entry (and how to avoid detection) into the United States. I'll see if I can find you a link when I have more time.

What was working in the late 80s/early 90s was going after employers who hire illegals. That was a part of the 86 amnesty (which BTW Buish's program isn't_) until we had a change of administration (let's not mention any names) and enforcement was done away with. We should also have draconian measures against those who transport illegals and especially those who provide fake documentation. Getting rid of the government programs that provide assistance would help, but the real magnet is jobs. As far as 'Americans won't do that kind of work argument...
A)Let the free market decide.
B)Two words.
Chain Gang.

Oh yeah, if you are a child of illegal aliens born in this country, you are a citizen, end of story. Your parents, on the other hand, can go fuck themselves. Permenantly. If you have someone here legal to support and raise you, you can stay. If not, come back when you're older. Instead of parents coming here to have kids so they can stay, they can come here, their kids are citizens, but they can get the fuck out and NEVER will be welcome. No citizenship by proxy for the parents, no incentive. And you don't need to fuck with the Constitution.

Sounds like a good start.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Back on topic, . . .

Look, the deal may not compromise security in any way (I have doubts, btw), yet the knee-jerk reaction many/most Americans have to this is entirely negative, and not at all likely to be swayed by assurances from this admin.
Logic is out the window.
It's an ARAB nation.

It's just the way it is.

True, but don't think for a moment that the Bush Administration didn't have their hand in fomenting this sort of illogic. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, yet the Bush Administration, or at least its proxies, succeeded in convincing at least a vocal minority of Americans that it did.

What goes around, comes around.

Bush = complete and utter imbecile.

Under the category of "first time for everything," rack.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Btw, in case anyone missed it, in the "Haaa Haaaaaahhhh!" thread, Fester nailed it:

The crux of the problem:

What is the islamic understanding about democracy, Is there any place for it in islam?

The common form of democracy prevalent at the moment is representative democracy, in which the citizens do not exercise their right of legislating and issuing political decrees in person, but rather through representatives chosen by them. The constitution of a democratic country will be largely influenced by the needs and wants of its people. Thus, if its people want casinos, bars, gay marriages, prostitution, etc. then with sufficient public pressure, all these vices can be accommodated for. From this, it becomes simple to understand that there can never be scope for a democratic rule from the Islamic point of view.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=15522

Oh, but the UAE is different, right?

So is Iraq.

Sincerely,

Bushie Dittosheep

[Mister Bushice]

This administration that:

Totally fucked up on the WMD intel.
Totally fucked up on post invasion insurgent intel.
Totally fucked up planning and implementing post war iraq rebuilding
Totally fucked up a response to a disaster here in the US

Now expects that we all shall just trust their judgement and analysis on how they dealt with and addressed a potential major security problem with our ports?

Not any more, Lucy:



L to R Americans, Security Promises, Bush Administration.

[Uncle Fester]

The latest:

Keep in mind that this is only from the Coast Guard and as mvscal would say, what the fukk do they know, dumbfuck?

Feb 27, 4:03 PM (ET)

By LIZ SIDOTI

WASHINGTON (AP) - Citing broad gaps in U.S. intelligence, the Coast Guard cautioned the Bush administration that it was unable to determine whether a United Arab Emirates-owned company might support terrorist operations, a Senate panel said Monday.

The surprise disclosure came during a hearing on Dubai-owned DP World's plans to take over significant operations at six leading U.S. ports. The port operations are now handled by London-based Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Company.

"There are many intelligence gaps, concerning the potential for DPW or P&O assets to support terrorist operations, that precludes an overall threat assessment of the potential" merger," an undated Coast Guard intelligence assessment says.

"The breadth of the intelligence gaps also infer potential unknown threats against a large number of potential vulnerabilities," the document says.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060227/D8G1MIJ00.html

[Felix]

Now expects that we all shall just trust their judgement and analysis on how they dealt with and addressed a potential major security problem with our ports?

"We're all over this Port Security thingee......and it's a top priority under our watch"

Sincerely
The Administration that requested a total of 46 million for Port Security

(Thank God and GOD Congress increased that to 140 million)

[PSUFAN]

Where's the lie? Bush certainly did convince people that Iraq and 9/11 were directly related.

The decision to depose Saddam was made long before 9/11. 9/11 became an convenient opportunity for the case to be made.

If you deny this, then you do so alone.

[BSmack]

Now expects that we all shall just trust their judgement and analysis on how they dealt with and addressed a potential major security problem with our ports?

"We're all over this Port Security thingee......and it's a top priority under our watch"

Sincerely
The Administration that requested a total of 46 million for Port Security

(Thank God and GOD Congress increased that to 140 million)

What was the extra 134 million spent on?

[Felix]

What was the extra 134 million spent on?

You'd need to talk to Gdub about that......

By my calculations the additional 134 million would cover the cost of the war in Iraq for about 22 hours......

why can't you get your priorities right......

[BSmack]

What was the extra 134 million spent on?

You'd need to talk to Gdub about that......

By my calculations the additional 134 million would cover the cost of the war in Iraq for about 22 hours......

why can't you get your priorities right......

I figured since you were thanking God and GOD for the additional spending that you might know what said additional spending entailed. Why were you so happy?

[Mister Bushice]

In 2003, There were a total of $75 Million in Port Security Grants. The American Assoc of Port Authorities estimated that the '05 costs would be around 1.125 Billion, and they asked for 400 million in grants. They got 150 million.

[Felix]

In 2003, There were a total of $75 Million in Port Security Grants. The American Assoc of Port Authorities estimated that the '05 costs would be around 1.125 Billion, and they asked for 400 million in grants. They got 150 million.

whats the problem......150 million for port security

the dubai port deal is worth 6.5 billion

i'm hoping someone will remind me that the UAE gave 100 million in relief for hurricane katrina.....

see, somebody has their priorities straight.....

[Felix]

So...the states don't spend anything on port security?

see, it's the state's problem......

it's okay lapdog, we know where their priorities lie.....

[BSmack]

In 2003, There were a total of $75 Million in Port Security Grants. The American Assoc of Port Authorities estimated that the '05 costs would be around 1.125 Billion, and they asked for 400 million in grants. They got 150 million.

whats the problem......150 million for port security

the dubai port deal is worth 6.5 billion

i'm hoping someone will remind me that the UAE gave 100 million in relief for hurricane katrina.....

see, somebody has their priorities straight.....

I don't have a problem with the spending if it is for something useful. I'm not sure that you know this, but just because Congress says the money is for port security doesn't mean the money is being used properly.

[Felix]

B, the whole point is that for fiscal 2005, the Bush Administration requested a total of 46 million for port security......

the coast guard estimates that it would take approximately 5.5 billion to make our ports as secure as possible.....

meanwhile, we continue to hemorrhage money in Iraq at the rate of a billion/week......

where do you think our money would be better spent if we're talking about our national security?

why do you suppose port security is so low on Bush's priority list.......

yet operation of the ports is so high on that priority list......

[Felix]

Just answer the question, douchebag.

i don't know--maybe millions....

but exactly when did our national security start to fall on the shoulders of the states?

[Felix]

The correct question would be when did they become a Federal responsibility?

September 11, 2001

your turn

why do you suppose port security is so low on Bush's priority list, yet operation of the ports is so high on that list......

[PSUFAN]

Where's the lie? Bush certainly did convince people that Iraq and 9/11 were directly related.

Link?

http://www.washingtontimes.com
http://www.billoreilly.com
http://www.hannity.com
http://www.anncoulter.org
http://www.drudgereport.com

[Felix]

I'm not aware of any such Constitutional amendment.

did you miss that whole Homeland Security thing?

Who says that it is a low priority? You?

Bush did with that paltry request for 46 million......

[Mister Bushice]

Who says that it is a low priority? You?

no, him proposing 46 million for port security sure as shit does though.

[Mister Bushice]

doh....