Cheney shoots something other than his own foot

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:42 am

PSUFAN wrote:
Whichever, will that salve the liberal lefts enflamed twats for the time being?
Is healing them a priority of yours or something?

I've been married to the same woman for going on 23 years. She votes Dem, I vote Rep.

When she's on the rag, I do one of two things.

1. First run, and then hide.

2. First hide, and then run.

You bitches are no different, 'cept I don't have to listen to your incessant whining and nagging, and can tell you to go fuck yourself when you get on your high horse w/o suffering any consequences.

I love that.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:47 am

Here to help, whitey. I'd stick you with a birdshot, if I had one. Just a little lovetap.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:48 am

So do you think the old leadbag's flushed his last quail?

fix · Post by **fix** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:39 am

PSUFAN wrote:So do you think the old leadbag's flushed his last quail?

Could be since the guy he shot just had a heart attack...

Man Shot by Cheney Has Mild Heart Attack By LYNN BREZOSKY and NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writers
26 minutes ago

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer wounded by Vice President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident suffered a mild heart attack Tuesday after a shotgun pellet in his chest traveled to his heart, hospital officials said.

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Harry Whittington was immediately moved back to the intensive care unit and will be watched for a week to make sure more of the metal pellets do not reach other vital organs. He was reported in stable condition.

Whittington suffered a "silent heart attack" — obstructed blood flow, but without the classic heart-attack symptoms of pain and pressure, according to doctors at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial.

The doctors said they decided to treat the situation conservatively and leave the pellet alone rather than operate to remove it. They said they are highly optimistic Whittington will recover and live a healthy life with the pellet in him.

Asked whether the pellet could move farther into his heart and become fatal, hospital officials said that was a hypothetical question they could not answer.

Hospital officials said they were not concerned about the six to 200 other pieces of birdshot that might still be lodged in Whittington's body. Cheney was using 7 1/2 shot from a 28-gauge shotgun. Shotgun pellets are typically made of steel or lead; the pellets in 7 1/2 shot are just under a tenth of an inch in diameter.

Cheney watched the news conference where doctors described Whittington's complications. Then the vice president called him, wished him well and asked if there was anything that he needed.

"The vice president said that he stood ready to assist. Mr. Whittington's spirits were good, but obviously his situation deserves the careful monitoring that his doctors are providing," the vice president's office said in a statement.

Cheney, an experienced hunter, has not spoken publicly about the accident, which took place Saturday night while the vice president was aiming for a quail. Critics of the Bush administration called for more answers from the Cheney himself.

Whittington has said through hospital officials that he does not want to comment on the shooting. A young man at Whittington's Austin home who identified himself as his grandson said Tuesday he did not have time to talk to a reporter and closed the door.

The furor over the accident and the White House delay in making it public are "part of the secretive nature of this administration," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "I think it's time the American people heard from the vice president."

Before hospital officials announced details of Whittington's condition, the hunting accident had produced a raft of Cheney jokes on late-night television.

"I think Cheney is starting to lose it," Jay Leno said. "After he shot the guy he screamed, `Anyone else want to call domestic wiretapping illegal?!'"

On Tuesday morning, the White House spokesman briefly joined in the merriment, joking that the orange school colors of the visiting University of Texas championship football team should not be mistaken for hunters' safety gear.

"The orange that they're wearing is not because they're concerned that the vice president may be there," press secretary Scott McClellan said. "That's why I'm wearing it."

Hospital officials said they knew that Whittington had some birdshot near his heart and that there was a chance it could move closer since scar tissue had not had time to harden and hold the pellet in place.

After Whittington developed an irregular heartbeat, doctors performed a cardiac catheterization, in which a thin, flexible tube is inserted into the heart, to diagnose his condition, said Peter Banko, the administrator at the hospital.

The shot was either touching or embedded in the heart muscle near the top chambers, called the atria, officials said. Two things resulted:

_It caused inflammation that pushed on the heart in a way to temporarily block blood flow, what the doctors called a "silent heart attack." This is not a traditional heart attack where an artery is blocked. They said Whittington's arteries, in fact, were healthy.

_It irritated the atria, caused an irregular heartbeat known as atrial fibrillation, which is not immediately life-threatening. But it must be treated because it can spur blood clots to form. Most cases can be corrected with medication.

White House physicians helped advise on the course of treatment, hospital officials said.

Texas officials said the shooting was an accident and no charges were brought against the vice president.

A Texas Parks and Wildlife Department report issued Monday said Whittington was retrieving a downed bird and stepped out of the hunting line he was sharing with Cheney. "Another covey was flushed and Cheney swung on a bird and fired, striking Whittington in the face, neck and chest at approximately 30 yards," the report said.

Nishlord · Post by **Nishlord** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:41 am

I can't help noticing how many experts there are at being blasted across the face by Dick on this board.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:03 pm

It
was
a
freaking
hunting
accident!

Whole lotta stuck on stupid in this thread.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:22 pm

88 wrote:If it had been someone other than the VP, it would not have been a news story. But the VP shot someone. That is news.

Agreed. OTOH, however, if this had been me, while it would not have been lead national news, I'd be willing to be that I, unlike Cheney, would be up on charges of some sort by now.

IMHO, in addition to making one millionaire pay the medical expenses of another, they should take Cheney's firearms away. He has demonstrated that he isn't a responsible shooter.

Agreed.

I can honestly say, without fear of being wrong, that this will never happen to me. And I can say that for one simple reason: I have never owned a firearm, and never will. It's precisely this kind of incident that deters me from ever buying one.

And, should the pellet-filled geezer croak, they should consider indicting Cheney for criminally negligent homicide. Just sayin'.

Agreed. But imho, they probably have enough already to file assault charges against Cheney.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:26 pm

Nishlord wrote:I can't help noticing how many experts there are at being blasted across the face by Dick on this board.

Gracias.

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PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:43 pm

Hospital officials said they were not concerned about the six to 200 other pieces of birdshot that might still be lodged in his body.

Nothing to see here. No problem. Go fuck yourself.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:24 pm

Why does Harry Reid need to make this a Left v. Right scenario? Does everything have to be about party lines?

Why does Cheney have to answer to the American people? Honestly, who cares. It was an accident. He has been hunting for 30-40 years. I doubt Mr Whittington blames Cheney, cause they both were at fault.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:25 pm

War Wagon wrote:You bitches are no different, 'cept I don't have to listen to your incessant whining and nagging, and can tell you to go fuck yourself when you get on your high horse w/o suffering any consequences.

I love that.

And just like your old lady, we laugh at you and wonder why her stupid ass stays with a dweeb jerk like you.

If she says eat my pussy while she is on the rag, I imagine you drop and lick right ??

Some Damn Retard · Post by **Some Damn Retard** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:48 pm

Roach wrote:Four shooting safety basics:

1- Treat every gun as loaded

2- Never cover (point at) anything you are not willing to kill or pay for

3- Keep your finger off the trigger until the target is in your sights

4- Be aware of the background, what is behind your target

An axiom:

Most accidents occur when two people make a mistake.

Other facts:

1- Old dying dude didn't make his presence known.

2- VP got "quail fever" and didn't observe rule #4.

Bottom line is VP is cuplable for the damages.

Just sayin'

Right, he should have to pay the going rate to replace an attorney.

Handful of loose change should cover it.

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:14 pm

Didn't he call the local sheriff right after it happened? that's like all he needs to do you fucktards.

EOS!!!!!1111111111111111

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:21 pm

Why does Cheney have to answer to the American people?

Because he's an elected official. He wasn't granted imperial powers, despite his machinations toward them.

Government in America happens By the People, For the People. Cheney has lost his touch on this simple ideal. He wants to set the executive branch higher than the law of the land, to work in total opacity towards his own ends - ends that aren't necessarily the ends of the American People who are the wellspring of his power.

He's running afoul of what is good for this country, and slowly, folks are coming to realize it, even folks who supported him in the past. Dick doesn't realize that after he's a corpse that is beyond daily microwaving, this country will move forward without him. He's done a good job channeling off resources for his buddies, but he's done nothing but hamper the forward momentum of this country.

His time in office will be recalled as a chancre on our legacy, a black eye for American government.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:32 pm

His time in office will be recalled as a chancre on our legacy, a black eye for American government.

Like the ass kicking in Somolia...
Like the bombing of the USS Cole
Like making the American public listen to testimony about blow jobs, gaking and blue dress's in the White House.
Like the circumstances of Vincent Fosters death being fully investigated.
Like the investigation into the pimping by the Arkansas State Pimps.
Like the circumstances of Whitewater.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:39 pm

I agree.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:43 pm

Like the ass kicking in Somolia...

That was started by Bush I and then tossed in Clinton's lap as Poppy Bush got the hell out of Dodge.

Like the bombing of the USS Cole

Like terrorist attacks haven't happened on other Presidents' watches?

Like making the American public listen to testimony about blow jobs, gaking and blue dress's in the White House.

Say thanks to Ken Starr for that one.

Like the circumstances of Vincent Fosters death being fully investigated.

Like the investigation into the pimping by the Arkansas State Pimps.

Like the circumstances of Whitewater.

That doesn't even make sense you half wit conspiracy nut. After 50 million dollars, not a single charge from the Whitewater fiasco ever even made it past a grand jury. It took an affair so lame that it would have shamed Newt Gingrich, Strom Thurmond and Henry Hyde to even admit to something so tame to get the impeachment ball rolling.

Now, can we get back to talking about Cheney? or have you nothing to say about the worst administration in American history?

Nishlord · Post by **Nishlord** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:59 pm

Cicero wrote:Why does Harry Reid need to make this a Left v. Right scenario? Does everything have to be about party lines?

Potero wrote:Hey Kettle, you black bastard!

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:01 pm

Derron wrote: Like the circumstances of Vincent Fosters death being fully investigated.
Like the investigation into the pimping by the Arkansas State Pimps.
Like the circumstances of Whitewater.

You forgot those 47 or so people that "knew" him who are now dead.

If you're going to break out the tinfoil hat, at least do it right.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:14 pm

Some good points there...however, I still decry the move toward Imperial Power so consistently championed by Cheney. Yes, a wartime president and his Vice President (capitalization choices intentional) must act decisively, but Cheney has acted recklessly and counter to much of the workings of even his own administration. Most importantly, he acts as if the laws of the land are for others to follow, not for him. He seems to have the interests of his cronies placed ahead of what is good for the American People. For example, his routine on energy policy was deplorable. What part of energy policy is so needy of secrecy that it isn't the public business of the American People? The part where you steer pork towards your frinds and financial colleagues, that part. Also...the cost-plus contract with Halliburton is downright crooked at best.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:19 pm

Did Terry actually say assault charges against Cheney...?

What an incredible dumbass.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:21 pm

mvscal wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:
Why does Cheney have to answer to the American people?
Because he's an elected official. He wasn't granted imperial powers, despite his machinations toward them.

Government in America happens By the People, For the People. Cheney has lost his touch on this simple ideal. He wants to set the executive branch higher than the law of the land, to work in total opacity towards his own ends - ends that aren't necessarily the ends of the American People who are the wellspring of his power.

He's running afoul of what is good for this country, and slowly, folks are coming to realize it, even folks who supported him in the past. Dick doesn't realize that after he's a corpse that is beyond daily microwaving, this country will move forward without him. He's done a good job channeling off resources for his buddies, but he's done nothing but hamper the forward momentum of this country.

His time in office will be recalled as a chancre on our legacy, a black eye for American government.
And this hysterical screed has what, exactly, to do with a hunting accident?

You know a few things about hysterical screeds, tortilla folder. The post comes in response to Sissyroo's witless query: "Why does Cheney have to answer to the American people?".

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:26 pm

On the contrary...the VP has run afoul of the law in this incident. It is the business of the American People to see laws upheld by elected officials...even when they have a serious Caesar jones and don't care for our opinions on the topic.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:29 pm

Cheney should have just garnered some illegal Campaign Funds from the Chinese like any other VP. This hunting accident spells doom for America.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:33 pm

So you've already said. I politely decline.

The American VP has no business pretending his affairs are not our affairs. Next thing you know, we'll hear about him getting a hummer in the Oval Office, and lord knows you people will have a few things to say then.

Cheney will be grudge-fucking James Watt in federal prison within 6 months.

See You Next Wednesday · Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:34 pm

How can this be a hunting accident, considering what they were doing could hardly be called hunting.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:36 pm

This hunting accident spells doom for America.

Now you're getting it. I can scarcely think of worse outcomes for the American People than what we've witnessed in the past few days from our VP.

Next time he has to break a tie in the senate, will he do so with an elephant gun?

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:40 pm

I can scarcely think of worse outcomes for the American People than what we've witnessed in the past few days from our VP.

I can.......
The guy could have been Black Democrat, then we would have a bigger spin on all the hysterics.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:53 pm

PSUFAN wrote: The post comes in response to Sissyroo's witless query: "Why does Cheney have to answer to the American people?".

Honestly. Why should the American people feel betrayed by him not letting us now w/ in 18 hours? Do you have a man crush on me or something? You refer to me a lot lately and the name is Cicero, you old tired punk bitch.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:56 pm

Sissyroo,

you've become the Elephant in the Room, asscheeks akimbo, handing out plungers, screaming to be attended to. I didn't design this role for you, you wrestled it from your dormmate Crown.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:58 pm

How bitch? Cause you had a hard on for Crown? B/c I disagree w/ almost everything you say and I am not a member of your little Westside Story clique?

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:30 pm

Washington Post wrote:Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) said he referred to Cheney as the "shooter in chief" in a meeting with members of Congress. Ex-Rep./lobbyist Vin Weber (R-MN): "I cannot believe he does not look back and say this should have been handled differently."

Dallas Morning News wrote:Sen. Kay Bailey Huthchison (R-TX) "was among those saying she was mystified": "I'm sure they wish that they had handled it differently"

NY Daily News wrote:There was also some surprising criticism from two ex-GOP WH press secs. Marlin Fitzwater told Editor & Publisher: "I am appalled by the whole handling of this." And Ari Fleischer said: "It could have and should have been handled differently"

When will the liberals stop their hand-wringing already?

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:00 pm

88 wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
88 wrote:If it had been someone other than the VP, it would not have been a news story. But the VP shot someone. That is news.
Agreed. OTOH, however, if this had been me, while it would not have been lead national news, I'd be willing to be that I, unlike Cheney, would be up on charges of some sort by now.

IMHO, in addition to making one millionaire pay the medical expenses of another, they should take Cheney's firearms away. He has demonstrated that he isn't a responsible shooter.
Agreed.

I can honestly say, without fear of being wrong, that this will never happen to me. And I can say that for one simple reason: I have never owned a firearm, and never will. It's precisely this kind of incident that deters me from ever buying one.

And, should the pellet-filled geezer croak, they should consider indicting Cheney for criminally negligent homicide. Just sayin'.
Agreed. But imho, they probably have enough already to file assault charges against Cheney.
I don't think that Cheney can be charged with assault because it requires intent. There is no intent in an accident. The best they can do is charge him with negligence, but that usually only comes into play if there is a death resulting from the negligence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/15/polit ... nted=print

Depends on the jurisdiction you're in. Some jurisdictions allow assault charges to be brought on reckless conduct, which is less culpable, of course, than intentional conduct.

Agree that you can't charge assault based on ordinary negligence. Whether this was negligence or reckless conduct would appear, at least to me, to be in question.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:16 pm

or have you nothing to say about the worst administration in American history?

SQUAWK...SQUAWK....

I see you paid attention to your life idol Hillary the Cunt, when she was speaking over Coretta's cold stiff corpse.

Nice job parroting.... I see you shufffling around her trying to stuff your liberal nose in that icy snatch.

The American VP has no business pretending his affairs are not our affairs.

Anybody want to serach the archives and see if any of these parinoid skitzo's can come up with

" What Clinton does personally is his own business and not the publics affairs ."

I seem to recall that mantra coming out of B Monicas grille a few or 100 times. What do you care what Cheney did on a PERSONAL hunting trip.
No different than Bubba putting his bare ass hole on the American publics desk. No, no compairson at all.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:32 pm

What do you care what Cheney did on a PERSONAL hunting trip.

Hey, more power to him if he wants to pump his buddies full of lead. J Edgar Hoover was pumping his buddies full of semen for decades - none of my concern, either.

Maybe we'll get even luckier and Cheney will hit some more paydirt at cabinet meetings, energy policy meetings, and fundraisers.

Bubba putting his bare ass hole on the American publics desk.

I laughed pretty hard.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:34 pm

poptart wrote:Did Terry actually say assault charges against Cheney...?

What an incredible dumbass.

Uhhh, next time you might want to let the lawyers discuss this.

I don't practice in Texas, so I'm not familiar with their laws (Lawman does practice there, but unfortunately, he's MIA). Where I do practice, in New York, if Cheney's conduct were found to be reckless, Cheney would be guilty of Assault in the Second Degree, a Class D Felony.

A person is guilty of assault in the second degree when:

. . .

4. He recklessly causes serious physical injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon or a dangerous instrument; . . .

I don't think there's any question that Whittington's heart attack meets the threshold condition for "serious physical injury" (although, of course, the prosecution would need medical testimony to prove causation), and while Cheney's bird gun might not be a "deadly weapon," it most certainly would qualify as a "dangerous instrument," given that there is caselaw holding that a kitchen knife qualifies as a "dangerous instrument."

Assuming the prosecutor properly dotted his i's and crossed his t's, the only remaining question would be whether Cheney's conduct was reckless, or merely negligent.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:07 pm

Before this is all done, we might be able to add a conspiracy charge to the mix.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=60212

Katherine Armstrong just might have some 'splainin to do.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:15 pm

mvscal wrote:

And then you woke up in a sticky puddle.

You losers couldn't be more pathetic if you worked at it.

So just how much booze was served at that lunch? Was Cheney walking around with his own private stash? Why is Armstrong defending such obviously reckless conduct by saying that the victim "walked into a line of fire"?

Could it be because of this?

22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an
offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in
imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a
firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals; or
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless
as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor
knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another
whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation,"
and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section
30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A
misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the
third degree.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/petoc.html

At the very least, the VP is likely guilty of a misdemeanor charge of Deadly Conduct.

Now what's that in the Constitution about High Crimes and MISDEMEANORS?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:24 pm

Cheney got tanked and eased some lead balls into this poor old guy's failing ticker. Nothing newsworthy here.

At least the Kennedys are chasing a little trim when they fuck up and kill people. The last time Cheney got aroused was for one of Donald Rumsfeld's private wrestling audiences...which may have been this morning, for all I know.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:28 pm

mvscal wrote:Yes, of course. He has a life threatening heart condition so he obviously goes stumbling around shitfaced drunk. Got it.

With his heart condition, I have to wonder how much medication he is on. Probably a lot. Probably so much that it wouldn't be wise to even mix one drink with that kind of chemical cocktail.

"There may be a beer or two in there, but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."----- Katherine Armstrong

With his medical history, he might well have been 3 sheets to the wind with just one beer.