When vince goes to the NFL...

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:40 pm

Will he be better than Vick? I think he has surpassed vick as far as arm shrength and accuracy and he still has a year of CFB left. When Vince goes, he will be a better pro than Leinert and will be lightyears ahead of Vick. I dont think Leinert is better than palmer. Leinert has relied on White and Bush to carry his ass for two years. he makes too many bad reads and throws the ball up too much..

Congrats Texas.

The nic stays for another week for respect. Rack em!

Hook 'em!

p

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:45 pm

In Bill Simmons' new column, written with all of the comedy of his old columns, of course, he goes from ranking Vince as "no way he's an NFL QB," to "I'd only put Manning, Brady, and Palmer" ahead of him.

I love his running diaries...

the_ouskull

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:45 pm

Accuracy? Yes. Arm strength? No. And considering I don't think Vick is worth two shits, Vince doesn't have much to do to prove it to me.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:47 pm

Vince's arm strength is not better than Vicks. Vick has a missile. Too bad his missile is about as accurate as an Arab on a Camel.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:57 pm

the_ouskull wrote:In Bill Simmons' new column, written with all of the comedy of his old columns, of course, he goes from ranking Vince as "no way he's an NFL QB," to "I'd only put Manning, Brady, and Palmer" ahead of him.

I love his running diaries...

the_ouskull

I saw that article, it was pretty funny, but he needs to let go of the Pete Carroll hate and the College football bashing.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:00 pm

Killian wrote:Accuracy? Yes. Arm strength? No. And considering I don't think Vick is worth two shits, Vince doesn't have much to do to prove it to me.

I don't know how strong Vick's arm is but I remember when Vince first came to Texas they were running some passing drills and he was on one knee working on his mechanics he was able to throw the back almost 50 yards from one knee. I was impressed

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:03 pm

Watch out, NFL.

I mean guys like Steve McNair, Daunte Culpepper, Michael Vick, and all those "dual-threat" QB have just DOMINATED the NFL over the last couple of decades.

Anyone care to name one besides Steve Young(who picked his spot, and only used the ruun as a bailout from a broken play, for the most part), who has A) Led their team to a Super Bowl victory, and B) Had more than a couple of years of effective running? Hell, Vick is already starting to slow down, and he's just getting started in the NFL. Steve McNair hasn't been a running threat for a long, long time -- he just tried to keep the running attack going because that dude is a stright-up WARRIOR(and no mouth, all game, like every player should be).

Hey, remember all those times that Joe Montana kept those silly defenses honest with his feet? Yeah, me neither. Bradshaw? Yup, couldn't keep that guy in the pocket for a second. Staubach? Yeah, think of how good he could have been if he ran around the backfield like a female "guest" at a CU recruiting party? And Theisman? If he would have got himself a set of happy feet, he'd probably still be playing today.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:04 pm

Oh, and btw -- I'll give VY my vote for being the better passer. Much better...but it's much easier to look cool on saturdays than it is on sundays.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:05 pm

Until Young can prove that he can sit in the pocket and throw downfield, I don't see him being a great, or even a decent NFL QB.

See You Next Wednesday · Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:10 pm

Young was impressive but there were too many passes that his recievers had to take with a knee on the ground.

Van · Post by **Van** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:10 pm

Well, Vick is already supposed to have the strongest arm in the NFL.

Not that it matters in the least.

With Young there's no way of knowing yet whether he'll pan out in the NFL. Obviously he won't be able to take off and run all the time and there won't be so many designed runs for him, not if his employers wish to keep him healthy. Also, he won't have all day to throw to wide open receivers either. He'll have to rely on quick reads, good footwork in the pocket and throwing accurately into tight spaces on the run once he's flushed, just like every other NFL QB...

He hasn't had to do any of these things yet and he's never had to play behind even an equally matched offensive line, much less an inferior one, which will be the case in the NFL...

In order for him to pan out in the NFL he'll have to completely revamp his game and his coaches will have to rein him in or else he'll be a walking, talking turnover on his way to frequent stints on the IR list...

As soon as he's in the NFL and playing for a horrible, overmatched team we can all forget about the way he played in college. It's not going to fly.

If he has the ability to reinvent himself while still having at his disposal all those athletic skills he of course could be dominant but unless and until that happens he's going to be a ticking time bomb to his offensive coordinator...

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:11 pm

the_ouskull wrote:In Bill Simmons' new column, written with all of the comedy of his old columns, of course, he goes from ranking Vince as "no way he's an NFL QB," to "I'd only put Manning, Brady, and Palmer" ahead of him.

I love his running diaries...

the_ouskull

Guy cracks me up. He is a very clever and funny writer. His running diaries and mailbags are hilarious.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:45 pm

Vince would be perfect in New Orleans since they have a nice group of skilled position players already in place and he'd be in the same division as Vick...making for two must see games each season.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:49 pm

Van wrote: In order for him to pan out in the NFL he'll have to completely revamp his game and his coaches will have to rein him in or else he'll be a walking, talking turnover on his way to frequent stints on the IR list...

And rumor has it that the guy is borderline uncoachable, and almost refuses to listen to one word his coaches say (which Mack Brown almost came right out and said last night), so good luck with that.

M2 · Post by M2 » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:56 pm

Cicero wrote:Vince's arm strength is not better than Vicks. Vick has a missile. Too bad his missile is about as accurate as an Arab on a Camel.

What the ....???

m2

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:59 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Van wrote: In order for him to pan out in the NFL he'll have to completely revamp his game and his coaches will have to rein him in or else he'll be a walking, talking turnover on his way to frequent stints on the IR list...
And rumor has it that the guy is borderline uncoachable, and almost refuses to listen to one word his coaches say (which Mack Brown almost came right out and said last night), so good luck with that.

Rumor is wrong, fact is Vince is one of the most coachable kids Greg Davis has ever worked with. Vince and the Texas coaches have great relationship so much so that he said in the DMN that he is coming back (pre-Rose Bowl).

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:01 am

Vito Corleone wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
Van wrote: In order for him to pan out in the NFL he'll have to completely revamp his game and his coaches will have to rein him in or else he'll be a walking, talking turnover on his way to frequent stints on the IR list...
And rumor has it that the guy is borderline uncoachable, and almost refuses to listen to one word his coaches say (which Mack Brown almost came right out and said last night), so good luck with that.
Rumor is wrong, fact is Vince is one of the most coachable kids Greg Davis has ever worked with. Vince and the Texas coaches have great relationship so much so that he said in the DMN that he is coming back (pre-Rose Bowl).

Heard the same on the Houston sports shows for the past two years. Vince is a coach's wet dream.

Roofer · Post by **Roofer** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:19 am

Is it me, or is everyone overlooking the size of Vince Young (save the elgrande/VAL homosmack kids). They mentioned last night that SC lined up their TE at QB in practice to simulate VY so they could try to get some perspective of his size.

To have that size, combined with speed and agility, is a pretty scary point to ponder.

All that has been said about Young and what he has to/will look forward to at the next level is spot on....great points. But I thhink his size and ability to break tackles while in the grasp easily makes him more of an impact player than Vick. Vick, from what I've seen, has been pretty easy to bring down once you get a hold of him.

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:25 am

Young is 6'5" and 240 lbs. He's a big guy, with some serious speed. He's not quite Vick fast but he's a helluva lot bigger than Vick.

Houston talk shows were all gung ho in debate on whether the Texans should draft Bush or Young with the first pick.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves people. Bush is more of a "sure thing" at this point.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:37 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Van wrote: In order for him to pan out in the NFL he'll have to completely revamp his game and his coaches will have to rein him in or else he'll be a walking, talking turnover on his way to frequent stints on the IR list...
And rumor has it that the guy is borderline uncoachable, and almost refuses to listen to one word his coaches say (which Mack Brown almost came right out and said last night), so good luck with that.

Most ridiculous post of the internet 1/05/06. Where did you find this BS you bathe in?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:53 am

Vince Young is the black Tommie Fraser. He has no chance in the NFL.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:58 am

I thought he was the white Eric Couch?

GrizBearStare · Post by **GrizBearStare** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:18 am

I thought he was the mulatto Franco Harris?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:10 am

He is the Chinese We Fuckem Young

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:24 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Staubach? Yeah, think of how good he could have been if he ran around the backfield like a female "guest" at a CU recruiting party?

Not the best choice to bolster your argument.

Making Staubach particularly dangerous was his ability to scramble out of trouble – his 410 career rushes netted him 2,264 yards for a 5.5-yard average and 20 touchdowns.

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:39 pm

Nice find ^^^^

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:48 pm

I'm old enough to have witnessed his entire career.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:43 pm

There is a reason he was called Roger the Dodger the guy was a witch at getting out of trouble. It also contributed to his 7 concussions and early retirement.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:43 am

Elway wasn't immobile by any means either.

Tarkenton doesn't have a ring but he was obviously better than plenty of guys that have rings.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:37 am

Tark and papa Manning are the first QBs that come to mind when I think of old school moble QBs. Bradshaw was another guy who early on was a pretty good runner.

BTW the inside guys over on OB.com are saying that Vince is coming back, but if he comes out he will likely go 3 to the Titans.

The scariest thing in the NFL is Norm Chow and Vince Young. If norm can teach him how to throw with good form Vince will become the ultimate freak QB.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:45 am

I think Vince may go #1 to the Texans, the PR disaster that they would face not drafting Houstons favorite son (at this time) would be too much for them to risk. then Leinart would go to the Titans to be around Trojans like Chow and Fischer

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:06 am

Insiders for the Texans are saying they will take Bush #1.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:20 am

Drafting a project like Young when you've already got a #1 overall pick QB in David Carr simply doesn't make a lick of sense for Houston.

"Feel good" stuff aside, there's no way Houston's GM is going to risk his paycheck on a position that's already the strength of the team anyway.

Houston needs more weapons for their QB and they desperately need help on the O Line in order to give their QB and that added skill position help the ability to shine.

If you're Houston's GM you have to either take Reggie or trade down in the draft to get some strength in numbers.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:38 am

Would someone ban this bitch already

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:42 am

Van wrote:Drafting a project like Young when you've already got a #1 overall pick QB in David Carr simply doesn't make a lick of sense for Houston.

"Feel good" stuff aside, there's no way Houston's GM is going to risk his paycheck on a position that's already the strength of the team anyway.

Houston needs more weapons for their QB and they desperately need help on the O Line in order to give their QB and that added skill position help the ability to shine.

If you're Houston's GM you have to either take Reggie or trade down in the draft to get some strength in numbers.

There is talk that they could trade down for extra picks, and also trade Carr for more picks and then still draft Vince at #3-5. The problem is that Tennessee is probably looking at taking Vince at #3 if he declairs, Vince is related to Steve McNair and has been working out with the Titans organization since he was a freshman. There is nothing about Vince they don't know and lets not forget they have Norm Chow to help him fix his throwing motion.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:48 am

I used to laugh at the idea of Vince being an NFL quarterback. I now stand corrected.

Dude is the second coming of McNair.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:19 am

Vito Corleone wrote:Insiders for the Texans are saying they will take Bush #1.

Although I'm not buying it yet, it's rumored that the Dolphins are interested in trading Ricky Williams and conditional draft picks to the Texans for Carr. If this were to happen, there's no doubt we'd pick Young then look for a Vet to start at QB in 2006 while Young sits and clipboard's his brain for a full NFL season.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:05 am

the thing is.... nobody is labeling Young a "System QB" I want to see how well he will do under center, dropping back from a pro set. Unless an NFL team is going to go to the spread option

Maybe the Texans trade Carr, draft Young and get a few O linemen or a RB in the trade for Carr or in free agency

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:12 am

Listening to some radio talk show the other day, Sean Salisbury and Troy Aikman were going on about Young's prospects in the NFL and to echo what SoCalTrjn just posted the main point they were making is Young will really struggle in the NFL because he's been nothing but a shotgun QB playing behind a dominant line during his short career.

No three, five and seven step drops, no precision timing off those drops, no precision routes, no footwork...none of it; none of the things that must be mastered to the point where it becomes second nature before a young QB can even begin to take the next step in his learning curve, which is the ability to read defenses and then smoothly check down through his pattern progressions in the face of a dizzying array of coverages and blitzing schemes.

The inate athletic abilities aren't even factors. They won't mean a thing until first the guy (any guy) learns how to smoothly operate at a high rate of execution inside the pinball machine.

As for Houston, yep, trading Carr would be the only way they could entertain thoughts of drafting Vince.

If Houston could pick up a (motivated) Ricky Williams in exchange for David Carr that'd open the door but man, what a risky endeavor that'd be: Ricky Williams as your franchise back and Vince Young as the clipboard carryin', $$ hoardin' project who'll need at least a year or two simply to learn how to play the position...

That'd have to be one not-the-least-bit-worried-about-getting-fired GM who'd bank his future on that scenario....

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:01 pm

PrimeX wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Insiders for the Texans are saying they will take Bush #1.
Although I'm not buying it yet, it's rumored that the Dolphins are interested in trading Ricky Williams and conditional draft picks to the Texans for Carr. If this were to happen, there's no doubt we'd pick Young then look for a Vet to start at QB in 2006 while Young sits and clipboard's his brain for a full NFL season.

Change that to Ronnie Brown and I'm in. No way do we went Williams.

We're going to keep Carr and draft Bush. Straight out of Casserly's mouth.