Texas Posters - Does This Concern You?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:39 am

Papa Willie wrote:We've gone undefeated twice since '94 in the SEC. Enough said.

I'm in no way saying Texas isn't a great program. I'm just saying that Auburn has been in the thick of things in recent memory, and it IS a big-time football program now - whether you want to admit it or not.

Gone undefeated twice in your conference in 14 years? Enough said? Say it isn't so! t.u. went undefeated in their conference twice since 1994 as well. So fucking what? Are you saying the champ of the self-proclaimed meatgrinder is the national champ? HAHA!

Congrats to allbarn for being "in the thick of things" in recent memory. Congrats also for being a big time program. A&M is a big time program too...even though the team sucks. Still does not mean we can hold a candle to the accomplishments of t.u. I'm one of few A&M fans who knows their place when it comes to t.u. [attempt to analogize so you understand]Just because I have to eat shit don't mean I like it...but at least I know it's shit.[/attempt to analogize so you understand]

I think someone else mentioned it earlier. Why would one take a lateral move to another school? Anserw: Because it is a better team/program. Enough said.

By the way, call allbarn a big time program all you want. Elite programs, in a bad year, still bowl in their conference's top 2-3 bowls. Elite, allbarn is not. Anything suggesting otherwise is "flawed".

Now, if you make me take t.u.'s side one more fucking time, I will see this as a troll job and nothing more. Because seriously, you saying allbarn and t.u. are on the same level is the same as me saying UAB and allbarn are on the same level. At least I know the latter isn't true. In reality, allbarn is as close to t.u. as UAB is to allbarn.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:21 am

IndyFrisco wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:We've gone undefeated twice since '94 in the SEC. Enough said.

I'm in no way saying Texas isn't a great program. I'm just saying that Auburn has been in the thick of things in recent memory, and it IS a big-time football program now - whether you want to admit it or not.
Gone undefeated twice in your conference in 14 years? Enough said? Say it isn't so! t.u. went undefeated in their conference twice since 1994 as well. So fucking what? Are you saying the champ of the self-proclaimed meatgrinder is the national champ? HAHA!

Congrats to allbarn for being "in the thick of things" in recent memory. Congrats also for being a big time program. A&M is a big time program too...even though the team sucks. Still does not mean we can hold a candle to the accomplishments of t.u. I'm one of few A&M fans who knows their place when it comes to t.u. [attempt to analogize so you understand]Just because I have to eat shit don't mean I like it...but at least I know it's shit.[/attempt to analogize so you understand]

I think someone else mentioned it earlier. Why would one take a lateral move to another school? Anserw: Because it is a better team/program. Enough said.

By the way, call allbarn a big time program all you want. Elite programs, in a bad year, still bowl in their conference's top 2-3 bowls. Elite, allbarn is not. Anything suggesting otherwise is "flawed".

Now, if you make me take t.u.'s side one more fucking time, I will see this as a troll job and nothing more. Because seriously, you saying allbarn and t.u. are on the same level is the same as me saying UAB and allbarn are on the same level. At least I know the latter isn't true. In reality, allbarn is as close to t.u. as UAB is to allbarn.

i almost went the 2 for 14 route earlier, props to Indy. that's a whopping 14%. i know 14% of anything is whipping ass, no matter what it is.

Elite programs also win under more than one coach as a general trait. and i mean the national championship not the premise that winning 6 games in the SEC puts you in a NFL wildcard game. and are more than the statistical category: "in the thick of things". Elite programs are more the things than the thick.

Auburn is a program to be proud of for its fans....but, it's not Texas. Texas sucks the chrome off a trailer hitch....but with the 05 NC and Mack's 4-5 top 10 finishes....Auburn isn't there. and they don't have a Darrel Royal, IMO. minus the 05 NC maybe you could try it...

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:37 pm

Then maybe Auburn should get out of the SEC, since they aren't even elite in their conference let alone the entire NCAA.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:46 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
WolverineSteve wrote:Then maybe Auburn should get out of the SEC, since they aren't even elite in their conference let alone the entire NCAA.
Guess you haven't bothered to see how Auburn has played the rest of the SEC. Keep searching....

they went undefeated 2 of 14 selective years.

case closed.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:48 pm

Papa Willie wrote:

Again - it's much easier to end up in the Top 10 when you play in a lesser conference.

so, you admit Auburn doesn't end up in the Top 10 as much as Texas in "modern times"?

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:07 pm

Papa Willie wrote:I don't have to tell you how fucking awful the Suck 12 is.

You hired your head coach from what school, again?

Congrats on the textbook KYOA you have just laid on yourself. You aren't a "legend" for nothing.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:40 pm

Papa Willie wrote:.

I just get tickled when some pussy comes in and feels that his team is an "elite" team based on his love for the team.

if you are talking me/Oklahoma fan here....and it seems like you might be. though i can't believe anyone is that stupid unless there is a new T1B star chamber troll called papa willie.

i was born in 1970, Oklahoma has won 4 national championships in my lifetime. Auburn can't even sniff the unwiped, dried up shit off my asshole hairs when it comes to "elite" programs.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:55 pm

King Crimson wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:.

I just get tickled when some pussy comes in and feels that his team is an "elite" team based on his love for the team.
if you are talking me/Oklahoma fan here....and it seems like you might be.

He could not possibly be talking about me since I have not said A&M is an "elite" program simply due to my love for the team. He can't be talking about you because as we all know, OU is one of the few "elite" programs in the country. Actually, I think he is talking about himself. He's the only one in here claiming to be "elite" all the while being blinded by his love for his team. I just don't understand why he called himself a pussy.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:23 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:We've gone undefeated twice since '94 in the SEC. Enough said.

I'm in no way saying Texas isn't a great program. I'm just saying that Auburn has been in the thick of things in recent memory, and it IS a big-time football program now - whether you want to admit it or not.
Gone undefeated twice in your conference in 14 years? Enough said? Say it isn't so! t.u. went undefeated in their conference twice since 1994 as well. So fucking what? Are you saying the champ of the self-proclaimed meatgrinder is the national champ? HAHA!

Congrats to allbarn for being "in the thick of things" in recent memory. Congrats also for being a big time program. A&M is a big time program too...even though the team sucks. Still does not mean we can hold a candle to the accomplishments of t.u. I'm one of few A&M fans who knows their place when it comes to t.u. [attempt to analogize so you understand]Just because I have to eat shit don't mean I like it...but at least I know it's shit.[/attempt to analogize so you understand]

I think someone else mentioned it earlier. Why would one take a lateral move to another school? Anserw: Because it is a better team/program. Enough said.

By the way, call allbarn a big time program all you want. Elite programs, in a bad year, still bowl in their conference's top 2-3 bowls. Elite, allbarn is not. Anything suggesting otherwise is "flawed".

Now, if you make me take t.u.'s side one more fucking time, I will see this as a troll job and nothing more. Because seriously, you saying allbarn and t.u. are on the same level is the same as me saying UAB and allbarn are on the same level. At least I know the latter isn't true. In reality, allbarn is as close to t.u. as UAB is to allbarn.

Keep in mind, lil' guy - it's a lot easier to look good when you hang out in a bowl of shit. I don't have to tell you how fucking awful the Suck 12 is. You can feed your inferiority complex all you want, but Texas more than likely would probably have been little more than a middle of the pack team over the last 20 years in the SEC.

The fact that you're melting over something like this only goes to prove it, too.

Texans have always displayed a general lack of security. You know you're not really the South, yet you try to speak like the rest of us. The North won't claim you. Shit - nobody will. Sorry I have to state the obvious.

Just go ahead and tell yourself that Texas has the best college program in the country. Enjoy!

OK now I'm in.

First off the worst thing that happened to the SEC is Texas joined the Big 12, by doing so we regained our status as a elite team, before that (80's early 90's) most of the best college talent went out of state because Texas was no longer in a premier conference. Once Texas joined the Big 12 all the elite Texas talent began to stay in state and go to Texas.

Right now we would be the premier team in any conference, and the reason why is because we pretty much own the state as far as recruiting, yea Oklahoma and LSU are getting some top talent but I have yet to see the year when Texas hasn't gotten the majority of the top 20 players in the state.

And along those lines there are only 2 schools that have that kind of advantage, Florida and USC, and really Florida has to fight against Miami and FSU for the instate talent as well as the other elites. Texas has no other instate elite.

Texas also has a 100 million Athletic budget name the SEC that can come close to that.

Texas has done all that while maintaining a very high academic standard, something that is completely foreign to the SEC (Vandy being the exception).

Year in and Year out there are only 2 SEC programs that can hang with Texas and they are LSU and Florida.

Don't even start with Allbarn vs Texas, all you need to know about that is that Coach Boom chose to be the Texas DC rather than become the allbarn head coach. That's all I need to know about that little wanna-be.

Even LSU is inferior to Texas, if Texas went after Les Miles we would get him plain and simple, about the only SEC program that is on par with Texas is Florida as there is really nothing Texas could offer a Florida coach that he didn't already have in Florida.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:40 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:We've gone undefeated twice since '94 in the SEC. Enough said.

I'm in no way saying Texas isn't a great program. I'm just saying that Auburn has been in the thick of things in recent memory, and it IS a big-time football program now - whether you want to admit it or not.
Gone undefeated twice in your conference in 14 years? Enough said? Say it isn't so! t.u. went undefeated in their conference twice since 1994 as well. So fucking what? Are you saying the champ of the self-proclaimed meatgrinder is the national champ? HAHA!

Congrats to allbarn for being "in the thick of things" in recent memory. Congrats also for being a big time program. A&M is a big time program too...even though the team sucks. Still does not mean we can hold a candle to the accomplishments of t.u. I'm one of few A&M fans who knows their place when it comes to t.u. [attempt to analogize so you understand]Just because I have to eat shit don't mean I like it...but at least I know it's shit.[/attempt to analogize so you understand]

I think someone else mentioned it earlier. Why would one take a lateral move to another school? Anserw: Because it is a better team/program. Enough said.

By the way, call allbarn a big time program all you want. Elite programs, in a bad year, still bowl in their conference's top 2-3 bowls. Elite, allbarn is not. Anything suggesting otherwise is "flawed".

Now, if you make me take t.u.'s side one more fucking time, I will see this as a troll job and nothing more. Because seriously, you saying allbarn and t.u. are on the same level is the same as me saying UAB and allbarn are on the same level. At least I know the latter isn't true. In reality, allbarn is as close to t.u. as UAB is to allbarn.

Keep in mind, lil' guy - it's a lot easier to look good when you hang out in a bowl of shit. I don't have to tell you how fucking awful the Suck 12 is. You can feed your inferiority complex all you want, but Texas more than likely would probably have been little more than a middle of the pack team over the last 20 years in the SEC.

The fact that you're melting over something like this only goes to prove it, too.

Texans have always displayed a general lack of security. You know you're not really the South, yet you try to speak like the rest of us. The North won't claim you. Shit - nobody will. Sorry I have to state the obvious.

Just go ahead and tell yourself that Texas has the best college program in the country. Enjoy!

You foolish little man spray. There isn't an Oklahoma fan who doesn't realize the Big 8 schools pulled Texass and A&M out of a tailspin in SWC days (we've had this thread at least 6 times since T1B opened alone). So basically you're saying at best they would have been Allbarn (a traditional middle of the pack SEC ball sucking homer) at the end of the SWC conference days but within 2 years of the exposure nationally the Big 12 provided it had already once again surpassed South Bama Barnyard University in prestige and exposure.

No where in the thread did any Tejass fan try and claim they are the best football program in the country. They simply stated the obvious in the fact that Tejass is on a whole 'nother plain than than Allbarn. There isn't a single person in the college football watching free world outside of Allbarn homer who would even attempt to make a claim that Allbarn and Tejass football programs should be mentioned in the same breath, sentence, or utterance of speech when it comes to status in the college football community. I've tried to be polite about it until now but you're starting to sound like Jonsense or M2ool in this fucking thread.

Hanging out in a Bowl of Shit? You realize that the Big 12 and it's member institutions have won more BCS titles and more overall national titles than the SEC... don't you? You do realize that in the 11 years of the BCS era a Big 12 team has represented in the designated title game SIX fucking times and the SEC five times which are pretty comparable but in none of those five fucking trips was it Barnyard U. of South Alabama doing the traveling.

Further more there isn't a self respecting native Texan, myself included, who fucking claims to be a southerner or part of the south. We're a region unto ourselves or at worst with Oklahoma and New Mexico but not with the fucking south. Texas' economic status, culture, money, and lifestyle swallows Louisiana, Pississippi, Tennessee, and Alabomba up before breakfast and shits them out before lunch. You're right about one thing in this entire thread... we're not your southern brothers we're fucking Texans!!!We don't have any desire to be claimed by your pile of crap states as regional or cultural brothers!

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:27 am

with all respect to my good friend SCS, count me out of the "we're Texas/Texans" chest thumping. though, i would agree that Texas and OK aren't exactly confederate states and they are both west of the Mississippi. you got your chicken fried steak and cream gravy...culture.

I'm an Oklahoman. straight up. my great, great granddad was living in the Cherokee Strip trading with the Cherokees and Osage 30 years before the land run. after the land run and statehood, he moved to northern Mexico. he wasn't really a guy made for "civil society" as we might call it.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:05 am

King Crimson wrote:with all respect to my good friend SCS, count me out of the "we're Texas/Texans" chest thumping. though, i would agree that Texas and OK aren't exactly confederate states and they are both west of the Mississippi. you got your chicken fried steak and cream gravy...culture.

I'm an Oklahoman. straight up. my great, great granddad was living in the Cherokee Strip trading with the Cherokees and Osage 30 years before the land run. after the land run and statehood, he moved to northern Mexico. he wasn't really a guy made for "civil society" as we might call it.

Holy shit, your GG grandpa is Barry Switzer!!!

As for you papa you really don't have very good reading comprehension do you. Every argument I made about how superior Texas is to the SEC you have turned into an SEC vs Big 12 debate.

It's not, this is a Texas vs allbarn and SEC debate.

BTW Texas has a 4-2 record vs the SEC under Mack Brown, We are 2-2 vs Arkansas, we are 1-0 vs LSU, and 1-0 vs Mississippi State. The latter two were wins in the Cotton bowl. Texas is 2-1 in bowl games vs the SEC under Mack, with wins over Jackie Sherrill and Nick Saban.

That's right, Nick is Mack's bitch.

Next year it is shaping up to be a huge title run between Texas and Florida so Mack will get his first (should have happened this year) shot at Urban Meyer.

As for Texas being overrated. Some years they are and some they are not. This year they started outside the top 10 and will likely finish #2 in the country. There have been a number of years when we finished above our preseason rankings.

Texas is #2 in all time wins trailing only meat chicken.

I could go on and on boasting about Texas but I won't, this thread has entered troll status, your arguments are rather boring and really lack any substance. if the sec was so damn good why is it we can take your top assistants for what should be parallel jobs.

Maybe it is because by taking a job at Texas they are moving into a much more visible position at an elite program.

Good luck to Gene Chizik, I'm really looking forward to following him at Allbarn, I think he is going to make Mack proud.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:44 am

Papa Willie wrote: High win totals are easy to achieve in what is normally a #4 tier conference. Understand?

i totally agree. Mississippi State would have won the Big 8 and SWC every year twice.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:32 pm

So Papa you've made a compelling case for the SEC, but nobody here has said that the SEC isn't a top conference. But again how can Auburn be "elite" nationwide if they're not "elite" in the SEC? If you use the SEC as reason for being great than you can't use it for reasoning as to why you haven't won more games. In other words, is Auburn great because they're in the SEC or is being in the SEC what's kept Auburn from being a top tier team?

The final link was a +/- as far as ranking and where teams finished. This is skewed imo as a) pre season rankings are a crap shoot. b) Teams that are usually ranked fairly high on a year in year out basis have little room to gain positive numbers. Take this year for example. Texas and Auburn were ranked roughly 14th and 15th pre-season (depending which poll you use). Texas is now at #3 or +11 and Auburn is, uh I dunno, outside of the top 64 bowl teams at least so maybe -50 or give or take. So in just this season Texas picks up at least 60 points on that graph. But you can use it if you'd like.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:36 pm

Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Big East...even SEC...If we took a poll, I can't imagine people in ANY of these regions recognizing Auburn as being on the same plane as Texas. I mean, it's painfully obvious to me and I have no dog in this fight. Whether it be all time wins, championships, talent/recruiting, coaching, or more immeasurable things like tradition and "national perception," Texas has AU's number in every category. Auburn is a bigtime CFB program. Texas is elite. There's a distinction.

And the "SEC is soooooooo much better than the Big 12, that makes Auburn automatically even with Texas" argument is totally hilarious.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:41 pm

Papa Willie wrote:No - you're not a Southerner, SCS. You're from a small part of the country that nobody really knows or gives a fuck about. Odd how you live in Florida. Texas folks' inferiority complex precedes them in most cases - it's painfully obvious.

Inferiority complex? Most everyone I know thinks Texans are arrogant.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... nkings.php
Hey - look who's 5 and 6! Far out. Auburn isn't up there with them.

You must not have really read this one before you posted it cause you just KYOA
3 big 12 schools in the top 10 and a 4th in the top 25. How many does the SEC have? Six so it looks like the SEC has better overall depth but with the Big 12 having 3 in the top 10 vs 1 for the SEC it is pretty obvious which one is tougher to win.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... =2000-2007
Decade team ratings.

I have yet to see where anyone didn't say that the SEC isn't the toughest conference right now, but in the top 10 you have 3 SEC schools and 2 Big 12 schools it hardly seems like its that much better now does it. It does however lend fuel to the fire that the Big 12 South is the toughest division in all of college football.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... nkings.php

Note the distance between the SEC and the Big 12. See it? See - this is why people cry about the SEC. This is why SEC teams don't usually go undefeated - they are playing tougher schedules - EVEN when they throw in the Citadel, etc... Just how it works out.

This is a stat that proves nothing without some back ground information like time frames, I mean it hardly seems conclusive since the Big 12 is only 12 years old and the BCS is only about 9 or 10 years old. It also doesn't take into account that there is no Big 4 bowl games before the BCS and conferences like the SWC were locked into the Cotton bowl. This is one of those times where stats lie and liars use stats.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... nkings.php
Big 12 in 4th there (Independents and Ivy don't count).

Again this is another case that the stats mean nothing without the backup data like time frames. How can they determine strength of schedule when that information wasn't kept before the saragin rankings (at lease as far as I can determine). It also doesn't take into account the now defunct SWC and if it does it should still mention where it fell in these rankings as well. If it did you would know that once upon a time teams like TCU and SMU were once power houses in college football.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... nkings.php
Schedule points go to the Big 10. I can believe that as well, as their OOC games are pretty tough a lot of times.

This is sounding like a broke record but stats like this mean nothing unless they are one a level playing field, and they can't be because the Big 12 is only 12 years old and the SEC as we know it has a team from the old SWC in it who in the 60's was a power house and along with Texas owned that decade. I hardly see how that makes the SEC one of the greatest when it was built on the greatness of the old SWC.

When it comes right down to it all your arguments are pretty weak since this is not a level playing field for any of those stats.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... nkings.php
More....

more stats that prove nothing without the data to show how they came up with this BS.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/ra ... =2000-2007
Again - SEC. This is really getting kind of funny, but I feel I'll have to post these links, as I don't think a few of you will have the intelligence to do as such. In fact - I'm sure you'll continue to bog yourselves down in some of your apparent insecurities. Sorry.

As I'm sure your going to continue to piss yourself thinking how great the SEC is when in fact none of the stats outside of the ones with definite time frames like 2000-2007 really mean anything.

Finally - here's a good set of stats: http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/teams.html

Hmmmm. Where's Texas?

Hmmm.

Not good, eh?

All that really says is that the media expects more from Texas and over rates them. Take a real close look at the teams on the top and the teams on the bottom. Which group would you rather be in? the one that groups you with Nebraska, USC, Miami, Oklahoma, or the one that groups you with WSU, Boston College, Boise State and BYU?

Auburn has had a very nice record in the last decade against some of these elite SEC teams. I'm not at all saying AUBURN IS THE BEST PROGRAM IN THE COUNTRY, fuckup, I'm saying that it belongs right up there with all the rest, though. And yes - they're playing in the best conference in the land. I believe I've provided substantial information to clue you in to the fact that Texas is normally overrated, and they play in what is normally a #3 or #4 conference.

You will also note that earlier in the year, I was pretty much under the assumption that the Big 12 IS the best conference THIS year, but we've certainly been fed enough media bullshit about Oklahoma in the past, haven't we? What usually happens to them when they go to a BCS game?

Again - Auburn does belong. Texas would not be nearly as high in some of those all-time rankings if they actually played in a conference that was year-in, year-out worth a fuck.

Getting through to you yet? I doubt it - but enjoy the stats!

congrats to auburn but that doesn't make them elite, hell taco tech has a good record against Texas and Oklahoma over the last few years along with some impressive bowl wins but that doesn't make them elite either. you have yet to prove that auburn belongs any more than Vandy belongs. Just because a clown fish lives in the toughest part of the pacific ocean doesn't mean it can kick a barracuda's ass that lives in a pond.

And make no mistake allbarn is the clown fish of the SEC. BTW I seem to remember a year being 2k5 when the Big 12 really sucked bad but Texas won the conference and went on to beat what was considered the greatest team of all time.

I don't know of anyone in their right mind that would think that Texas wasn't the best team in the country. When ranking the best teams on this decade it is pretty much between the 2k1 Miami team and the 2k5 Texas team as to who is the best. But I'm sure you will come up with some kind of argument to prove that Vandy was better since they played in the meat grinder.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:15 pm

i misread vito's post. nothing to see here.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:16 pm

By your logic, Texas should win the National Championship every year. You're starting to sound like m2. A lot of emotion, regardless of stats to put you in your place.

Thanks for playing - have a good day!

If you believe that is what I implied then you have really poor reading comprehension and an even worse idea of what the word logic means.

Only a true moron would gather what I typed and take it to mean that Texas should play for the MNC every year.

Though I do believe they should play more than once every 25 years to do so every year would mean they were the only elite team in college football and more over they only good team. That is not the case as I have pointed out several times.

Here is a good list of the elite teams of college football

USC
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Texas
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
FSU
Miami
Florida
Alabama
LSU
Notre Dame

Good teams - rich tradition and traditional quality team
Oregon
Washington (not this year but they have a pretty rich tradition)
BYU
UCLA
Colorado
KSU
Oklahoma State
A&M
Michigan State
Perdue
Clemson
Virgina
Virgina tech
Auburn
Georgia
Tennessee
Arkansas
Syracuse

I probably left off a few but those are the ones I consider to be on the 2nd tier of college football.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:28 pm

Yeah nobody pays any attention to that small little corner of Earth in Austin and San Antonio, where I am from.

Everyone knows how much more prestigeous and influencial Birmingham and Jackson are.

Damn right I live in Florida now... Nobody here wants to be associated with those places either!

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:52 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
campinfool wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Are you sure that dirty feeling wasn't just penis envy
I'm sure it isn't. Oklahoma has just a little bit of oil money itself. Maybe you've heard of Phillips 66/Conoco, Kerr-McGee, guys like Clay Bennett (yeah the same one that owns the Thunder), Arrowhead Energy, Cameron Specialty Inc.; as well as two members of the Walton family being alumnus, the Gaylord family, etc.

I'd never be so foolish as to say Oklahoma could go dollar for dollar in an arms race of Cold War proportions with Tejass but as far as athletic departments go both our schools have more money than they could spend at their disposal on an annual basis.

The University of Oklahoma brings a mighty hefty wallet to the table for just a little school on the prairie.
True - and they pay their players well. Just doesn't always work out for them.

Says the AUBURN fan...

the_ouskull

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:03 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
the_ouskull wrote: Says the AUBURN fan...

the_ouskull

All of them do it, dawg. You know it. I know it. We all know it. Anybody stupid enough to say "my school doesn't do it" is dumber than the dark side of a pile of goat shit....

Then why do you constantly use "Texas buys the best players" as ammo against them?

And to your earlier comment where you said I said t.u. was God and allbarn was shit...I never said that. I said why would someone take a lateral move to a lesser team/program. Everyone in this thread not named Allbarn Ball Sucking Homer who have expressed their opinion on the Texas/Allbarn "debate" (though there really IS no deabte) has backed up what I said. You constantly saying everyone here has an inferiority complex simply because we do not have OUR head in the sand is funny as hell though. Inferiority complex? Gotta go with the KC Boys on this one. IKYABWAI?

Hey, at least allbarn's not A.P.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:02 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Texass is obviously buying good players. Why aren't they winning the NC every year? They're obviously the very best program in the land!

I'm pretty sure there's things at all schools as well that are violations. By no means do I think every school turns the blind eye on things like what happened with Mayo and Bush at USC. However, the reasons schools that "get on top" usually "stay on top" is because the best talent wants to go to the best possible place to showcase that talent on a national level so they can get their payday in the NFL.

That being said, t.u. WAS NOT pulling the best talent in the late 80s/early 90s because they hit somewhat of a down spell. That combined with the lack of national coverage of the SWC did not bode well for them. Joining the Big XII gave instant national coverage. Mack Brown and his recruiting machine began. They had some decent success in the mid/late 90s. That has since snowballed. Are they inVINCEable? Nope. They are a John Robinson (USC) or John Macovic (t.u.) or a John Blake (OU) or a John Cooper (tOSU) (note: stay away from John's) away from being a mediocre team again. All of those (elite) programs rebounded BECAUSE they are elite.

Schools like ours, A&M and Auburn (#23 and #21, respectively all time), which are NOT one of the lucky elite few, can still be proud of their program as big time CFB, but facts are facts. WE ARE NOT ELITE. Can we be? Sure. But that takes decades upon decades to accomplish. Neither A&M nor Auburn is there. THAT is the premise upon which I stated Auburn is a lesser team/program than t.u. You can try to justify it by pimping the success of other SEC programs or trying to make what I said into a XII vs. SEC debate like you have with other posters here.

Am I proud of our standing in CFB? Yeah, I'm proud of A&M all time. Am I fully satisfied? Hell no. Then again, I won't sit here and compare my school's tradition and success to that of OU or t.u. or Michigan or OSU or Alabama (etc.) and say we are equals. That, my friend, is Ball Sucking Homering...something I only do for fun. ;)

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:36 am

And you don't think Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't blow the whistle on each other if given the chance, how about Texas and A&M, Arkansas and Texas? Hell anyone and Texas, cause i don't know of too many schools that are partnering with Texas in anything sports related.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:01 am

Chizik should be forced to take the DC and OC he brought to ISU. The defense was horrible and the offense was unorganized.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:27 am

Papa Willie wrote:We're all ball-sucking homers. None of us would be here if we weren't. :D

Actually, the glue that has held this group together for so long is the fact we (sans a few) are as far away from Ballsucking Homers as you can get. If we wanted that shit, we'd go to our team boards where anyone who questions anything related to their team is banned. Hence, the response in this thread.

Despite what you may think, this wasn't a "pile-on" where people just jumped in to spite you for being you. All responses here as far as I could tell were that people felt the same as I have with regard to the differences between t.u. and allbarn. The fact that most of us think this is one of the best CFB boards lends credence to that being more than just an opinion but a fact.

That being said, I have no beef with you in this forum so long as you don't spam the shit out of it like you used to do main forums. I do have a beef with Ballsucking Homers of all varieties, mainly Aggies because some people those assholes represent all of us. Your homering in this thread had reached that level so I called you on it. There's a mindset with many here that, when "challenged", at all costs, maintain your position. I don't post that way. If I fuck up, I admit it. I'm not normally into page counting debates. I know those posters to avoid (BSmack) because it is like talking to a 2 year old when you disagree on something. I never pegged you for that. We'll see though how this thread turns out.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:05 am

Papa Willie wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:And you don't think Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't blow the whistle on each other if given the chance, how about Texas and A&M, Arkansas and Texas? Hell anyone and Texas, cause i don't know of too many schools that are partnering with Texas in anything sports related.
Absolutely not. The all-out hate of the Alabama/Auburn rivalry is beyond silly. Ask Sam.

Yea when no one is looking I send love notes to all the sooner fans on this board. Sooners and Longhorns love each other so much we felt necessary to lose to Tech just to make sure our buddies up north could get the chance to play for the MNC.

Your myopia is beyond stupid, The hatred between Texas and Arkansas, Texas Oklahoma, Michigan Ohio State and tons of other rivalries are all just as big as the hate Auburn and Alabama share. Considering Auburn has never really been that good and Alabama has won countless championships I'd say the hate is probably more one sided, and that hate is probably more of penis envy for Alabama than it is equal hate.

.m2 · Post by **.m2** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:36 am

Blubberspray, is just getting abused in this thread.

By some of the slowest posters in the College football forum.

Too funny.

the truth

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:09 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Absolutely not.

ever heard of Hart Lee Dykes?

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:25 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:I work with many AU fans/grads...

I didn't know you worked on a farm or as a Vet Tech Sam...

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:06 pm

King Crimson wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:
Absolutely not.
ever heard of Hart Lee Dykes?

Or Chris Pryor

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:30 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:I work with many AU fans/grads...

I didn't know you worked on a farm or as a Vet Tech Sam...
I coulda rolled with that, but I feel like I've already alienated Spray.

I think he did a well enough job of that on his own in this thread.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:32 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
I coulda rolled with that, but I feel like I've already alienated Spray.

he's done it to himself with these two unintentional back to back irony blasts:

"Absolutely not. The all-out hate of the Alabama/Auburn rivalry is beyond silly. Ask Sam."

"Your channeled in your little country-fuck portion of the world. It wouldn't do you any good to venture outside of it. Stay right where you are, cat. It's your world - we just all live in it."

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:03 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Difference is - I've been all over the country. You've probably been to your outhouse in the dust bowl. Honestly - the most backwards-assed people I ever saw were in Texas. I've got relatives that moved there and they'd concur.

Well, if it's come to this: I've never lived in Texas, so i wouldn't care to comment on that. i have lived in Norman, OKC, (good for you so far....) Nashville, Boston, Boulder, Lake Tahoe, Durham (NC), Denver, Nederland (CO), back to Boulder and have spent a lot of time in NYC and Rome and Naples, Italy.

edit: and you sunk yourself (if you hadn't completely already) with those unintentional irony blasts.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:14 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
King Crimson wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:
I coulda rolled with that, but I feel like I've already alienated Spray.
he's done it to himself with these two unintentional back to back irony blasts:

"Absolutely not. The all-out hate of the Alabama/Auburn rivalry is beyond silly. Ask Sam."

"Your channeled in your little country-fuck portion of the world. It wouldn't do you any good to venture outside of it. Stay right where you are, cat. It's your world - we just all live in it."

Difference is - I've been all over the country. You've probably been to your outhouse in the dust bowl. Honestly - the most backwards-assed people I ever saw were in Texas. I've got relatives that moved there and they'd concur.

You've officially lost absolutely any inkling of credibility in this thread. I haven't just traveled the country but have actually resided all over the country (Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, California, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New York). I've been to the Iron Bowl, Red River Shootout and Army/Navy and they are all about equal other than one (the Iron Bowl) having a group of fans (Allbarn) with a severe inferiority complex. You're only validating that perception in this thread.

The most backassward people in the country reside in Arkansas, closely followed by Pississippi and most of Alabama. Going to Hunstville or Montgomery is like taking a trip back in time to the 1950s. Birmingham is like a miniature version of Pittsburgh with less education and less to do. Mobile is just a complete shithole, other than Daulphin Island, where you're as likely to get carjacked or robbed as just about any major city in the country. Hell the state of Alabama is so prestigious sports wise and economically that outside of the universities all it can muster are a couple of minor league baseball clubs (Double AA and below).

Keep your myopic South Alabama Farmer College opinions inside your local community because that's the only place I see them gaining any ground.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:32 pm

Papa Willie wrote: Look at OU from '88 - '99. God awful. Look at OU in the 60's.

vastly overstated. It was the end of the Wilkinson era and featured a couple losing seasons but OU won the Big 8 3 times in the 60's--which is below par but not God Awful. the 90's, OU only truly SUCKED from about 94-98 (with another Gibbs year in the mix, 91 maybe). otherwise were top 25 bottom feeder who couldn't beat Nebraska or some of McCartney's better, top 5 type CU teams.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:33 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Look at OU from '88 - '99. God awful. Look at OU in the 60's.

Oklahoma was pretty damn good from 88-91. It was just on probation in 88, 89 & 90. Oklahoma didn't hit it's swoon until 1992 when it went 5-4-1 and even then had a decent season or two mixed in past that point.

1988 Oklahoma finished 2nd in the conference and it's only losses were all to teams that finished the season in top 12 of the country that year. It also beat two teams that finished in top 15 of the country. Finished the season ranked #14 in the AP poll.

1989 Oklahoma finished tied for 2nd in the conference and only had one loss that was really poor.

1990 Oklahoma was one of the best teams in the country. It got upset by Iowa State but that same Iowa State team upset Nebraska, and played the eventual national champs (Colorado) within a touchdown. They also nearly upset Colorado in Boulder but gave up a late pick 6 inside the Colorado 30 that allowed the Buffs to seal the deal. Finished ranked 17th in the country according to the AP poll.

1991 OU's first year off probation and it went to the Gator Bowl where it blasted the ACC #2 team Virginia by 34 points. Damn near tied for the conference by upsetting Nebraska in Lincoln but choked late to lose 19-14 and finished the season rated #16 in the country by the AP.

1993 Oklahoma blasted the preseason #2 team in the country A&M 44-14 and finished the season ranked #17 only having lost to teams ranked in the top 15 of the country during the course of the season and beating 3 other ranked teams.

Granted those aren't traditional top 10 OU football seasons but by no means "God Awful" teams... More like "God Allbarn" like seasons.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:36 pm

King Crimson wrote:
Papa Willie wrote: Look at OU from '88 - '99. God awful. Look at OU in the 60's.
vastly overstated. It was the end of the Wilkinson era and featured a couple losing seasons but OU won the Big 8 3 times in the 60's--which is below par but not God Awful. the 90's, OU only truly SUCKED from about 94-98 (with another Gibbs year in the mix, 91 maybe). otherwise were top 25 bottom feeder who couldn't beat Nebraska or some of McCartney's better, top 5 type CU teams.

It was 1992 ... in both 91 and 93 OU finished the season ranked.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:42 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:
King Crimson wrote:
Papa Willie wrote: Look at OU from '88 - '99. God awful. Look at OU in the 60's.
vastly overstated. It was the end of the Wilkinson era and featured a couple losing seasons but OU won the Big 8 3 times in the 60's--which is below par but not God Awful. the 90's, OU only truly SUCKED from about 94-98 (with another Gibbs year in the mix, 91 maybe). otherwise were top 25 bottom feeder who couldn't beat Nebraska or some of McCartney's better, top 5 type CU teams.
It was 1992 ... in both 91 and 93 OU finished the season ranked.

you are right. i looked it up. 92. it all kind of bleeds together at this point.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:49 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
You've officially lost absolutely any inkling of credibility in this thread. I haven't just traveled the country but have actually resided all over the country (Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, California, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New York). I've been to the Iron Bowl, Red River Shootout and Army/Navy and they are all about equal other than one (the Iron Bowl) having a group of fans (Allbarn) with a severe inferiority complex. You're only validating that perception in this thread.

The most backassward people in the country reside in Arkansas, closely followed by Pississippi and most of Alabama. Going to Hunstville or Montgomery is like taking a trip back in time to the 1950s. Birmingham is like a miniature version of Pittsburgh with less education and less to do. Mobile is just a complete shithole, other than Daulphin Island, where you're as likely to get carjacked or robbed as just about any major city in the country. Hell the state of Alabama is so prestigious sports wise and economically that outside of the universities all it can muster are a couple of minor league baseball clubs (Double AA and below).

Keep your myopic South Alabama Farmer College opinions inside your local community because that's the only place I see them gaining any ground.

Oklahoma is essentially a bland fucking wheat field with some oil pumps in it. Seriously - Oklahoma and Arkansas are pretty much the 2 most forgettable states in the country - unable to really associate with any area of the country. So bad, that you felt the need to get out of it.

Now you're bitter, because you're probably living in a shithole in Destin where your property value has gone down by a x2 factor, yet you're struggling just to meet your ever-climbing property taxes in an area where the local governments are fuck-broke.

If it's so bad here in the South, it's pretty funny that you've chosen to live here.

Perhaps you should come to grips with your own situation as opposed to worrying about mine so fucking much. Comprende?

Why would I have stayed there? I have no connection to Oklahoma other than 3 1/2 years in college there. I'm not from there, no immediate family there, etc?

My house is worth just as much as the day I bought it... I live in Sand Destin to be technical about it, not the west side close to Fort Walton.

My business isn't at the same volume as it was three years ago but I'm not the one on boards telling people how I am going broke in the real estate business as you are so you can stop projecting your professional issues towards me and making a fool of yourself anytime you like. I'm not operating in the red as you have admitted doing. Sucks to be a residential peon for yourself, eh?

I also wasn't the one who chose to live here. I did so my ex wife could live closer to her parents after a short time living back in Pittsburgh. Unfortunately that didn't work out so well for her because her Allbarn daddy couldn't afford the home he purchased and has since been foreclosed on... before the market went bad. I on the other hand have since started a profitable business that is still turning a marginal profit in the bad times while other peons such as yourself go broke. You just keep walking that thin blue line right into a big Crimson wall all day... I'm here for you friendo. Comprende?

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:51 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
King Crimson wrote:
Papa Willie wrote: Look at OU from '88 - '99. God awful. Look at OU in the 60's.
vastly overstated. It was the end of the Wilkinson era and featured a couple losing seasons but OU won the Big 8 3 times in the 60's--which is below par but not God Awful. the 90's, OU only truly SUCKED from about 94-98 (with another Gibbs year in the mix, 91 maybe). otherwise were top 25 bottom feeder who couldn't beat Nebraska or some of McCartney's better, top 5 type CU teams.
1969 6 4
1968 7 4
1967 10 1
1966 6 4
1965 3 7
1964 6 4 1
1963 8 2
1962 8 3
1961 5 5
1960 3 6 1

Elite school numbers? Auburn wasn't very good in the 60's, but did end up winning 3 more games in the same time period than OU did.

Right before your top 5 ranked (at the time) team came into Sugar Bowl in 1971 with Heisman trophy winner that couldn't even rack up 30 yards of rushing against Oklahoma who had the everyone but the band playing by the 4th quarter...