"Only Congress can stop ripping children from their parents"

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:12 pm

Whoops!

The Trump administration insisted it didn't have a policy of separating children from their parents at the border. It said that it was merely following the law. And it said “Congress alone can fix” the mess.

It just admitted all that was nonsense — and that it badly overplayed its hand.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, who on Sunday and Monday insisted this wasn't an actual a policy and that the administration's hands were tied, will now have to untie them as the White House will reverse the supposedly nonexistent policy. Amid an outcry from Senate Republicans and a threat to fix the problem themselves — just as the White House had demanded — the Trump administration has drafted an executive action to change the policy and keep families united.

Just another bald face lie from King Dipshit's adminstration

Duncedale and Joe Blow and Duhrron will continue kneeling with their tongues extended to fellate King Trump upon command.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:35 pm

But...but...but...

Fuck it. Never mind.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:35 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote: Duncedale and Joe Blow and Duhrron will continue kneeling with their tongues extended to fellate King Trump upon command.

So, care to link us up with any pro-Trump statement I've ever made?

Take your time... like forever.

You are a perpetually melting tard.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:37 pm

Fuck Trump.

He should be ripping apart brown children from their parents the R2P, neo-liberal way...

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:39 pm

Humanitarian the fuck outta those people.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:46 pm

/shrugs
Not sure why those kids should be the American citizens' concern. It's not like we forced those families to bypass the first country they entered (Mexico) to request asylum. We certainly didn't force these families to uproot themselves and travel to a place where they might not be welcome either.
Perhaps they should expend a bit of all that energy they've used to travel and make their own country a better place to raise their bambinos?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:53 pm

Just confer Palestinian citizenship on the migrants.
Then, you can just machine gun them at the border. You'll probably get a standing ovation in Congress.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:48 am

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:Just confer Palestinian citizenship on the migrants.
Then, you can just machine gun them at the border. You'll probably get a standing ovation in Congress.

Yes!

I like someone who can think outside the box.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:52 am

"Dear Mr. President. I think I might be able to help out with this 'lost child' problem..."

Sincerely,

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:54 am

Marty's back.

But is it too late?

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:24 am

Leave a child in a hot car and CPS takes the kids away. Drag a kid for hundred of miles through the desert exposing them to not only the environmental dangers, but the dangers from smugglers, and the left says no problem with that.

The cognitive dissonance from the left, while normal behavior for them, is still stunning in its idiocy.

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:58 am

it is all relative, the rule of law is just a guideline.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:25 am

Rooster wrote:Leave a child in a hot car and CPS takes the kids away. Drag a kid for hundred of miles through the desert exposing them to not only the environmental dangers, but the dangers from smugglers, and the left says no problem with that.

These people claiming asylum were dealt a shit sandwich in life. They are doing what they can to make that sandwich taste better. They can hardly be confused with a careless person who leaves their kid in a car.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:45 am

Rooster and schmuck have lost their minds.

Maybe they never had one to begin with.

Just because the people don't belong on U.S. soil does not mean that you ought to then disregard basic human mores when dealing with them.

The U.S. ought to be better than this.
Much better.

Any country should be.

Donald thought he could get by with treating people like shit, because that's just the way he rolls.
He was called out.
This became hot, politically hot.
Too hot.
He caved.

He is an immoral piece of trash.
A sad little man with sad little hands.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:23 am

OK then, asshole, how would you treat them?

Invite them in?

We are a country of well over 300 million. We don't need more, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:55 pm

They should be deported the day they are caught. Put them all on a plane to Cancun. Weather is nice, Playa Del Carmen is growing like crazy and needs workers. If these illegals really want to work, they can find it in Playa.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:55 pm

smackaholic wrote:, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.

The irony is quiet thick here.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:28 pm

smackaholic wrote:OK then, asshole, how would you treat them?

Invite them in?

We are a country of well over 300 million. We don't need more, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.

Why would I invite them in?

Dude, Don signed an order two days ago to STOP separating kids from parents.

If his policy was noble and correct, why did he sign the order?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:50 pm

Softball Bat wrote:
smackaholic wrote:OK then, asshole, how would you treat them?

Invite them in?

We are a country of well over 300 million. We don't need more, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.
Why would I invite them in?

Dude, Don signed an order two days ago to STOP separating kids from parents.

If his policy was noble and correct, why did he sign the order?

I think it was a mistake.

Let me ask again, what would you do when you catch someone illegally entering the country?

There are 3 options.

Turn they around. (The only real solution, IMO)

Detain them.

Release them into the country, with a promise to show up at a later date for their hearing.

That third option, which was practiced by Obama has resulted in millions of illegals roaming free in the US. It is essentially, an open invite.

We should go to a policy of immediate return to Mexico, or maybe even their home country.

You want due process?

Fukk you. You aren't a citizen. We don't owe you due process. If you have a legit asylum claim, carry your ass to the nearest port of entry and make that case.

This shit really isn't that complicated.

Arch Angel · Post by **Arch Angel** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:41 pm

Mikey wrote:
smackaholic wrote:, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.
The irony is quiet thick here.

You can say that again.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:47 pm

The ierny is quite thick here.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:15 am

Softball Bat wrote:Rooster and schmuck have lost their minds.

Maybe they never had one to begin with.

Just because the people don't belong on U.S. soil does not mean that you ought to then disregard basic human mores when dealing with them.

The U.S. ought to be better than this.
Much better.

Any country should be.

Donald thought he could get by with treating people like shit, because that's just the way he rolls.
He was called out.
This became hot, politically hot.
Too hot.
He caved.

He is an immoral piece of trash.
A sad little man with sad little hands.

Look, I think you misunderstand my position, goobs. I am not anti-immigration. On the contrary, I am extremely pro-immigration, just in a lawful, orderly manner wherein people gain admittance and citizenship based on numbers determined to be acceptable by designated representatives duly elected by US citizens.
Just like we were all taught in kindergarten, there is no cutting the line to get ahead. If you do and get caught, you go to the back of the line. Full stop.

There are protocols for those people who are requesting asylum. Economic privation is not an acceptable reason for granting asylum and care needs to be taken to prevent the casual abuse of our largesse towards those who would take advantage of the system.

Having a child does not grant the parent(s) special status when examining them for a green card or citizenship. Fecundity is not a useful attribute when discussing an adult's ability to contribute in our society.

Finally, it is incumbent on the immigrant to show us what they bring to the table, not the other way around. We don't owe them a thing.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:56 am

smackaholic wrote:
Softball Bat wrote:
smackaholic wrote:OK then, asshole, how would you treat them?

Invite them in?

We are a country of well over 300 million. We don't need more, particulalrly uneducated illiterate ones.
Why would I invite them in?

Dude, Don signed an order two days ago to STOP separating kids from parents.

If his policy was noble and correct, why did he sign the order?
I think it was a mistake.

Before we go further with this, what was the mistake?

Signing the order or enforcing a policy of separating kids from their parents?

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:07 am

Rooster wrote:Look, I think you misunderstand my position,

Don't try to turn it back on me.

You posted this...

Rooster wrote:Leave a child in a hot car and CPS takes the kids away. Drag a kid for hundred of miles through the desert exposing them to not only the environmental dangers, but the dangers from smugglers, and the left says no problem with that.

The cognitive dissonance from the left, while normal behavior for them, is still stunning in its idiocy.

Nobody in here is saying it is good to drag kids through the desert for hundreds of miles.
There is a reason why a parent does that, Rooster.
The other options they see are more fearsome.

Rooser wrote:/shrugs
Not sure why those kids should be the American citizens' concern. It's not like we forced those families to bypass the first country they entered (Mexico) to request asylum. We certainly didn't force these families to uproot themselves and travel to a place where they might not be welcome either.
Perhaps they should expend a bit of all that energy they've used to travel and make their own country a better place to raise their bambinos?

Sincerely,

Archie Bunker

Rooster wrote:Look, I think you misunderstand my position, goobs. I am not anti-immigration. On the contrary, I am extremely pro-immigration, just in a lawful, orderly manner wherein people gain admittance and citizenship based on numbers determined to be acceptable by designated representatives duly elected by US citizens.
Just like we were all taught in kindergarten, there is no cutting the line to get ahead. If you do and get caught, you go to the back of the line. Full stop.

There are protocols for those people who are requesting asylum. Economic privation is not an acceptable reason for granting asylum and care needs to be taken to prevent the casual abuse of our largesse towards those who would take advantage of the system.

Having a child does not grant the parent(s) special status when examining them for a green card or citizenship. Fecundity is not a useful attribute when discussing an adult's ability to contribute in our society.

Finally, it is incumbent on the immigrant to show us what they bring to the table, not the other way around. We don't owe them a thing.

You said nothing about the policy to separate kids from parents.
That is what we are talking about here.

What is your take on that?

It is a very simple starting point.
However you go about dealing with the migrant situation, it is a GIVEN that you do not separate children from parents.
Period.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:24 am

I would say that not every person (or culture) places the same value on human life. It's an ugly biological inheritance that we haven't shaken...Inhospitable environment? Have 10 kids and cross your fingers that 4 of them will reach adolescence.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:53 am

Softball Bat wrote:[

You said nothing about the policy to separate kids from parents.
That is what we are talking about here.

What is your take on that?

The policy that has been in place and unenforced by ALL previous administrations for the last 20 or more years. So some mid level drone starts enforcing it, and the media gets wind and knows they can prostitute this and use the kids to get media exposure, so they get out their gas cans and have at it.

The obvious media bias and slant against the POTUS has EVERY media outlet creaming their jeans and running this shit story every 30 seconds. Move on now, and start looking for the next manufactured perceived crisis to pour gas on and get media coverage.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:16 am

Derron wrote:...mid level drone starts enforcing it

I don't have much respect for Jeff Sessions either, but I would hardly call him a mid-level drone. Don't think for a second that something this pervasive wasn't ordered by POTUS.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:05 am

Derron wrote:So some mid level drone starts enforcing it...

Who is the person?

It isn't very hard to detect when someone is blatantly talking out of his ass.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:09 pm

Softball Bat wrote:
It isn't very hard to detect when someone is blatantly talking out of his ass.

Now that is funny. Way to bring the laffs!

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:51 pm

88 wrote:We are a country of laws, some of which should be enforced some of the time against some of the people, maybe.

— BSmack

Maybe when they start enforcing sexual assault laws against Mango Mussolini I'll take what you say seriously.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:52 pm

My response to your question regarding separating children from their parents is we make a good faith effort to avoid it. Obviously it cannot be a blanket rule for any number of reasons, but families should remain together in as much as we can keep them that way.

That being said, just because you show up with a supposed family in tow, doesn't mean you get admittance no questions asked. Once again, it's not our problem that you uprooted your family on the chance you could get in the US.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:33 am

schmick wrote:Separate the kids from the parents, sell the kids to the Arabs so they can make them slaves or camel jockeys, I don't give a fuck. They're criminals and they deserve Jack-shit from the USA and it's tax payers.
The worse you treat them the less likely any more of them will show up.

If you went into a *DO NOT ENTER* area and someone blew your brains out, I would laff.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:16 pm

88 wrote:Like all non-thinking, programmed-to-react-by-someone-else libtards, you are incapable of seeing how inconsistent you are on all issues.

You went a bit over the top with this, but your general point has some merit.

Libs are bent about these kids being traumatized, but have no problem with mass slaughter of the most vulnerable.
The unborn.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:44 pm

Softball Bat wrote:
88 wrote:Like all non-thinking, programmed-to-react-by-someone-else libtards, you are incapable of seeing how inconsistent you are on all issues.
You went a bit over the top with this, but your general point has some merit.

Libs are bent about these kids being traumatized, but have no problem with mass slaughter of the most vulnerable.
The unborn.

Not to mention the unconceived. Seriously, you need to stop jacking off.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:09 pm

Rooster wrote:
Softball Bat wrote:Rooster and schmuck have lost their minds.

Maybe they never had one to begin with.

Just because the people don't belong on U.S. soil does not mean that you ought to then disregard basic human mores when dealing with them.

The U.S. ought to be better than this.
Much better.

Any country should be.

Donald thought he could get by with treating people like shit, because that's just the way he rolls.
He was called out.
This became hot, politically hot.
Too hot.
He caved.

He is an immoral piece of trash.
A sad little man with sad little hands.
Look, I think you misunderstand my position, goobs. I am not anti-immigration.

I am not Softball Bat, you gibbering fucktard.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:06 pm

Sorry. I can’t tell you guys apart, what being nearly identical in every way.

Goobs = Softball Bat = Moving Sale = Screwy

I’m not sure there’s an iota of difference between you guys.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm

Rooster wrote:Goobs = Softball Bat = Moving Sale = Screwy

I’m not sure there’s an iota of difference between you guys.

LMAO!

Yeah, other than me being a conservative and the others all being liberals.

Wtf?

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:06 am

When you accuse me of losing my mind despite having only reasonable takes on politics and culture war issues, how else am I supposed to think when it comes to your anti-Trump jeremiads? A reasonable person could differentiate between the good, the bad, and the ugly, so to speak concerning the present administration, just as I can when discussing Obama and Clinton.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:58 am

Rooster wrote:how else am I supposed to think when it comes to your anti-Trump jeremiads?

Trump has many conservative detractors.
Common sense should tell someone that a person like Don is not fit to be president -- regardless of what party he represents.

Conservatives should distance themselves from this president.
He is not doing conservatism any favor at all.

Sadly, a whole lot of conservatives are showing their true colors.
It isn't pretty.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:26 am

You're a pinhead. You might not KNOW it, but yes - you are a pinhead.

On the issues, I agree with Rand Paul probably more than I do with any other high profile politician.

If you think Rand Paul is a liberal, well, enjoy your very strange evaluation.