Fracking Runs Into A Wall (and dies)

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:57 pm

No big surprise, the go-go greed monger, Aubrey McClendon, who couldn't wait to fuck up the planet fast enough in his rapacious drive for quick and short-sighted capital gain, was indicted as a crook, and the very next day--which is today--committed suicide by driving his gas-guzzling truck into a highway overpass, hopefully roasting a bit in excruciating pain before exiting the stage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/che ... 0dab344e90

Most likely he's not the last of the drill, baby drill swine to desperately reel in horror, as the entire fiasco of "fracking" has fallen apart and is threatening to pull down several big banks.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/investi ... -jpmorgan/

No doubt the bankers will seek the usual corporate socialist bailout, as with the housing market collapse, and hopefully they won't similarly fuck over millions of Americans who are not sleazy crooks.

As for the practice itself of "fracking," the disastrous effects are as apparent as the earth itself can announce..

http://ecowatch.com/2015/11/16/oklahoma ... -fracking/

Let's hope the fiery immolation of the eco-criminal McClendon will serve as a sacrifice, as it were--a pledge of sanity on our part to change our course from the planet-killing fossil fuel industry and paradigm.

Blessed Be.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:33 pm

Woof!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_1-skzgQ4

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:41 pm

i couldnt post a bigger fucking eyeroll. so i'll just go with the one that the powers that be give us.

i'm taking it you don't like oil or natty gas?

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:43 am

I don't give a shit no how (typical, retarded American voter).... big oil still gets their $22 million per day of taxpayer money in the form of corporate welfare (subsidies). Nanny state plus "tax" anyone?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:03 am

First off, fracking had fukk all to do with his decision to eject. Second, fracking is having a rough time at the moment for reasons that have nothing at all to do with the practice itself. It is simple economics. Fracking works, but it costs money. And as long as the world market for earl is under 50 (or possibly higher) it is not economically feasible. And seeing as it is not subsidized like all the alleged green forms of energy, it will not happen. Eventually, the price will come back up and the fracking will continue.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:20 am

Wrong. He was indicted for bribes and so forth directly connected to his fracking frenzy. And no, "fracking" isn't working at all--unless you mean to create the most active earthquake zone in the world in Oklahoma, along with poisoned water tables. What's worth celebrating here is the all-but poetic justice of it all--his suicide a living metaphor of the earth's due.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:38 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Wrong. He was indicted for bribes and so forth directly connected to his fracking frenzy. And no, "fracking" isn't working at all--unless you mean to create the most active earthquake zone in the world in Oklahoma, along with poisoned water tables. What's worth celebrating here is the all-but poetic justice of it all--his suicide a living metaphor of the earth's due.

The charges were about bribery. What the bribery was over is irrelevant, you fukking moron. Fracking is legal. He was not going to be thrown in the klink because he was involved in fracking. It was because he offered bribes. Period.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:53 am

smackaholic wrote:It was because he offered bribes. Period.

Typicall fukkin GOPer. "I just wanted to provide JOBS!! I'M A FUKKIN VICTIM!! SO I 86ED MYSELF!"

Fuck that piece of shit.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:47 am

smackaholic wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Wrong. He was indicted for bribes and so forth directly connected to his fracking frenzy. And no, "fracking" isn't working at all--unless you mean to create the most active earthquake zone in the world in Oklahoma, along with poisoned water tables. What's worth celebrating here is the all-but poetic justice of it all--his suicide a living metaphor of the earth's due.
The charges were about bribery. What the bribery was over is irrelevant, you fukking moron. Fracking is legal. He was not going to be thrown in the klink because he was involved in fracking. It was because he offered bribes. Period.

What do you mean irrelevant? The bribes were specifically dealing with fracking contracts. Are you kidding? Sure, it's legal--so are nuclear power plants. At issue is how utterly foul and dangerous they are, just like fracking--and refer now to the Oklahoma earthquake situation. What's to be celebrated is the bald face of greed and exploitation being burned alive--having chosen to commit suicide rather than face the facts. Fracking is nothing more than the rape of the earth, and rapists need to go to prison.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:43 am

Wishful thinking. I'll settle for a falling anvil or a lightning strike during a stump speech, or a stroke, or the ghost of Vince Foster slowly stuffing her horrified visage with Maggie Willams' panties, or a fracking quake occurring as her motorcade passes, leaving her in a body cast for her final pain-filled years, or Bill just losing it one night and first you, then me--and finally keeping his word.. wishful thinking..

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:50 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
smackaholic wrote:It was because he offered bribes. Period.
Typicall fukkin GOPer. "I just wanted to provide JOBS!! I'M A FUKKIN VICTIM!! SO I 86ED MYSELF!"

Fuck that piece of shit.

Yer right, screwey, those rascally GOPers are the only folks to ever get caught giving bribes.

There is a difference actually between dems and reps. When reps are caught, they go to jail and when they get out, they are finished in politics. The dems get out and get re-elected to the job they were in when they were caught bribing. Rich Gannon(D) fresh off a 7 year stint in the fed hooskow was put back into the mayors office by the citizens of Bsmack's favorite town, Bridgeport, Ct.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:24 pm

smackaholic wrote:First off, fracking had fukk all to do with his decision to eject. Second, fracking is having a rough time at the moment for reasons that have nothing at all to do with the practice itself. It is simple economics. Fracking works, but it costs money. And as long as the world market for earl is under 50 (or possibly higher) it is not economically feasible. And seeing as it is not subsidized like all the alleged green forms of energy, it will not happen. Eventually, the price will come back up and the fracking will continue.

Bullshit.

Fracking is a large part of the reason that oil prices have dropped so precipitously.

Google "Law of Supply and Demand."

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:47 pm

Mikey wrote:
Bullshit.

Fracking is a large part of the reason that oil prices have dropped so precipitously.

Google "Law of Supply and Demand."

Huhh? I thought it had more to do with the Saudi's keeping their spigots wide open to push the cost down in an attempt to make it economically unfeasible for our frackers while maintaining their dominance as an oil exporter. I guess in a convoluted, roundabout way your statement is partially correct. Why do you hate America?

Pick your poison, the fricking frackers or the sucking Saudi's.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:59 pm

atmdad wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Bullshit.

Fracking is a large part of the reason that oil prices have dropped so precipitously.

Google "Law of Supply and Demand."
Huhh? I thought it had more to do with the Saudi's keeping their spigots wide open to push the cost down in an attempt to make it economically unfeasible for our frackers while maintaining their dominance as an oil exporter.

Pick your poison, the fricking frackers or the sucking Saudi's.

The Saudis didn't increase their production, at least not nearly as much as the US. The major glut in world oil supplies, as compared to a few years ago, comes mostly from North America. We are now a net exporter of energy (oil + natural gas) where a few years ago we were a net importer.

Notice how the red and yellow lines actually cross at 2014?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:03 pm

Another telling chart

Like I said, supply and demand.

atmdad · Post by **atmdad** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:36 pm

Facts be damned Mikey, it is still the fault of those picnic table cloth wearing Saudi's.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:53 pm

Mikey wrote:
smackaholic wrote:First off, fracking had fukk all to do with his decision to eject. Second, fracking is having a rough time at the moment for reasons that have nothing at all to do with the practice itself. It is simple economics. Fracking works, but it costs money. And as long as the world market for earl is under 50 (or possibly higher) it is not economically feasible. And seeing as it is not subsidized like all the alleged green forms of energy, it will not happen. Eventually, the price will come back up and the fracking will continue.
Bullshit.

Fracking is a large part of the reason that oil prices have dropped so precipitously.

Google "Law of Supply and Demand."

No shit Sherlock. My point to dumbfukk was that fracking isn't on hold due to any other reason than economics and I never said that it didn't have a large part to do with the problem. It is quite obvious that those sitting on cheap oil have dropped the price cause the frackers to blow up. From what little I have read/heard about it, this means that the frackers will basically just cap things off and wait. The rest of the world will eventually get tired of making just 10 dollars a barrel on a finite resource. So, the result is either the price remains low, which is nice or the price starts northward again and eventually the frackers start back up. What is quite clear is that we are not going back to $120/barrel for any extended periods. They could run it up quickly, but as the fracking comes back on line, it would get beat back down.

The trouble with this is that you windmill/solar pimps can't stand the idea of another 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 years of affordable oil. I honestly don't know how long it will last and believe it or not, I really would like to see an economically viable alternative come along before scarcity forces us to something else.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:07 pm

The policy of the Saudis of maintaining high production, thus dramatically lowering the oil price, is not aimed at the U.S.--though this is a secondary target. No, rather it is being pursued at the behest of the U.S. (Council On Foreign Relations) as part of its prolonged attack on Russia--and Venezuela.

The idea that because we can conceivably drill and frack oil for another fifty years or so--and therefore of course we should--completely ignores the environmental disaster resulting from the fossil fuel model in the first place. And really, what part of Oklahoma being the most active earthquake zone in the world aren't you getting?

As for the various renewable energy sources, of course this is the only conceivable sustainable model for human survival. Consider always when digesting the Koch brothers propagandic pap, that their extremely expensive agencies--Americans For Prosperity, the Cato Institute, etc--have for many decades done everything they can to undermine and stall and smear any sort of alternative energy sources. And this goes straight back to Nikolai Tesla and his astonishing development of Radiant Energy

http://www.nuenergy.org/nikola-tesla-ra ... gy-system/

Stop being such simplistic puppets of these craven and hateful industrialist fiends.

WW

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:44 am

All I know is gas in The Netherlands is still expensive as fuck.

No changes in the last two years.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:27 am

Hey "Carson," hope yer stayin' hip. Seems like you are with your concerns for Dutch folk and all, but I think what you need really to consider in a serious way is the amazing solution to your problem..and it's been here for a good while, just covered up by these sleazy J P Morgan kind of semi-humans, who enjoy enslaving you--that's why you're all torn up over "gasoline" prices. See, you tired little redneck prick, the whole game's been rigged since you was a squallin' little puddle in your mama's line of ...um "necessary" gentlemen visitors so as to make your mutha fuckin' rent. Now pay attention you lil' puddle, cuz things is about to get all technical and shit..just shut up and suck the rubber clean that was just spent in yo' mammy's hole---does I have yo attention?

http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/repor ... adiant.htm

Now examinate and considerize the particulate factualization of the situation..and don't start you cryin' and buns up appeallin' cuz it ain't happenin' no more.

WW

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 9:26 am

Did I just troll El Kabong into melting down?

I wasn't even trying.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Mar 05, 2016 2:29 pm

So...fracking causes earthquakes...

Fascinating.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:01 pm

Carson wrote:Did I just troll El Kabong into melting down?

I wasn't even trying.

Dumb ofay, don't even knows the Kingfish when he's curbstomplin' yo tired ass..

As for bris-juice attemptin' to confuse the situlation, here's a bit of explainin' that might illuminate your lacks of observation..

https://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/earthquake/

And here's some more, cuz you such a dumb muthfucka..

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -companies

Now reads it and try not to cuts your foot off with your lawn mower, you dumb honky..

What a dumb muthafucka...

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:20 pm

The only thing fabulous about you is the astonishing amount of gravy you can guzzle before breakfast, you one-chord fake. Now let's get back to the real matter at hand, the way we've been scammed by the oil baron muthafuckas in keeping us from the free and clean energy we want, need, and deserve..

examine and realize you've been snookered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyf-rihMUv0

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:23 pm

G'wan you ankle-bitin' fake fuck one-chord inbred trailer-park eyesore, you give hillbillys a bad name.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:29 pm

You guys should have a "guitar-off"...

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:36 pm

Already did, and fat fuck couldn't even figure out a three chord tune. He kept playing over the four chord as a minor. And he can't play chords or double stops, or any sort of nuance or partials. He played his lawn mower ("short attorney") crap and that's all he's got. Game over.

As for you, you should try and wake the fuck up, you spindly lil' creep.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:06 am

Go scream into a bucket, you tedious hack.

And if you could tell the difference between a minor four and a major, you might actually lay claim to being a musician.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:43 am

No, you shit the bed. You couldn't get the tune, Villanova Junction at all. You automatically droned your single line boring lead melody into a minor four--ala The Thrill Is Gone--both times. But...no one asked you to play it. No one, least of all me, gives a shit as to your metal-head blatherings. I don't care about your tedious playground "competition" bullshit.

The subject here is fracking--its dreadful effects and it s fortunate collapse as per the glorious basterd suicide of its primary champion. And the truth of our being swindled for a hundred years by these slimy oil industry corporations and the bankers who've aided and abetted them the whole way. It's about Tesla and the possibilities of actual radical positive change.

Go away..you ankle biting punk. Get a stomach stapling, ingest a tape worm--fuck it, just shoot yourself and save some time.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:59 pm

Get all your information from the Mockumentary Gasland much?

you don't know the first thing about fracking ...causing earthquakes??

The avg depth of a well is only about 9,000 ft deep. That's about where it kicks off to the horizontal another (on the DEEP wells) 12-15k feet. again..the DEPTH of this 'avg' well is about 9,000 ft. The "pay zone" is at MOST 200 ft thick. about 100 ft on either side of where the perfs are. Pay Zone being where the sand and water get pumped in to. Each stage or "zone" is pumped with about 10,000 bbls or roughly 420k gallons of a water/slurry of sand mixture...out of that..less than 1% is chemical that's pumped along with it, most of which all gets flowed back ANYHOW.

here's a little math.

4×10*22 J - estimated total energy released by the magnitude 9.1–9.3 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

3.9×10*22 J - estimated energy contained in the world's fossil fuel reserves as of 2010

2.1×10*17 J - yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested (50 megatons)

30,000,000 hydraulic horsepower from Frac pumps equals 2.2 X 10* J.

It is impossible for hydraulic fracturing to create an earthquake. It would take every pump truck on earth X 10 pumping down a well bore to even get 1/10th the energy to create a very small earthquake.

get the fuck out of here with your bullshit

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:59 pm

I don't claim to be current on the science or research on fracking as the "cause" of earthquakes, but you obviously didn't understand your own C&P because your "math" is partly incomplete and partly pure bullshit:

1. You posted the energy released by one of the largest earthquakes of the 20th century ( estimated 9.1 to 9.3, 4 x 10^22 J).

OK

2. You posted "30,000,000 hydraulic HP from frac pumps equals 2.2 x 10* J."

a. I assume this is an estimate of "all pump trucks on earth?"

b. You conveniently left out the exponent, so what are you claiming here?

c. HP is a measure of power. J (joules) is a measure of energy, which is power x time. So this is in no way a valid conversion.
1 horsepower (international) = 2,684,519.532 joule/hour
30,000,000 HP = 8.05 x 10^13 joule/hour

3. You posted: "It is impossible for hydraulic fracturing to create an earthquake. It would take every pump truck on earth X 10 pumping down a well bore to even get 1/10th the energy to create a very small earthquake."

a. The Richter scale is a base 10 logarithmic scale, expressing the amplitude of the seismic waves produced by a quake: 1.0 points on the Richter scale represents a tenfold increase in the wave amplitude. However, energy is not the same as wave amplitude: 1.0 points on the Richter scale corresponds to a factor of 31.6 in the amount of energy released.

b. You compared (or attempted to compare) the energy used by fracking pumps to the energy released by a "very small earthquake" but didn't post the energy of a small quake. Going from a 9.3 to a 3.3 (pretty small but maybe not "very small") is a factor of 31.6^6 (995,686,217.81), or roughly 10^9. So, the energy released by a 3.3 quake would be around 4 x 10^13 J, a small fraction of the Indian Ocean quake.

c. If you continue with the math, you'll find that the POWER released by a quake is still several orders of magnitude greater than "all the pumps." But this is where your logical bullshit is piled the deepest. The amount of power or energy needed to TRIGGER an earthquake is not the same thing as the amount of power or energy RELEASED by an earthquake.

For those of you who are not particularly deep thinkers, look at it this way. Say you have a mid sized car parked on the top of a 50 story building. Put the transmission into neutral, take off the brake, and push it over the edge. Do you think that the energy released by the car hitting the ground is in any measurable way related to the energy needed to push it over the edge?

Google: Kinetic energy vs. potential energy

So, would you care to revisit the subject or just keep drinking the industry Koolaid?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:25 pm

And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

But thanks, "Moby Dick," I'm sure the "Americans For Prosperity" would give you a nice pat on the head.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:46 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

That's mostly caused by an increase in illegal immigrants.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:36 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:And let's not forget the very simple math that Oklahoma has gone from two 3.0 quakes a year to two a day. And that adds up to more earthquakes in the panhandle state than in all of the continental U.S. combined.

But thanks, "Moby Dick," I'm sure the "Americans For Prosperity" would give you a nice pat on the head.

I am going to go out and a limb here and admit that you might be right about the frequency of these "quakes". Why are we not seeing the carnage from them? Oh, yeah, that's right, because there is none. I suspect that Macon has 3.0 quakes every time spray eats Mexican. Who gives a fukk. 3.0 quakes cause no damage and it stands to reason that frequent micro quakes, if anything, keep the occasional big quake from happening.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:19 am

First, smaller quakes do not relieve the tension, as it were, for a big quake. Second, there's been lots of damage in Oklahoma..

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/0 ... s-lawsuit/
http://kfor.com/2016/01/25/are-earthqua ... a-bridges/

Third, they're not just 3.0s, but 5.0s as well.

Come on in and sit a spell..er.

Must be one of those New Deal roads...grrr..

Oh, that's not a quake, it's just gravy guzzler fucking the vaseline-filled slot in his mattress...again...

Going out of business sale!

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:28 am

Seriously though it's Oklahoma. Who the fuck cares?

Mess around in my neighborhood you'll see a man gettin' mean.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:42 am

Mikey wrote:Seriously though it's Oklahoma. Who the fuck cares?

Mess around in my neighborhood you'll see a man gettin' mean.

There's no need for frackers to fukk with you left coasters, g0d's been doing a good job of that over the years.

As for the picks el kabong posted, looks like sinkholes to me. Could sink holes be caused by fracking? I suspect there's a good chance they could. But there are all sorts of places that have been having sinkholes for years. Fortunately, I don't live in one of those places. I think they are more common where you have large amounts of limestone bedrock.....and illegals, as mikey pointed out.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:49 am

I think the next guitar battle between spray and el kabong should be the Tesla song of their choice, seeing as EK has such a hard on for Tesla.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:03 pm

smackaholic wrote: looks like sinkholes to me. Could sink holes be caused by fracking? I suspect there's a good chance they could. But there are all sorts of places that have been having sinkholes for years. Fortunately, I don't live in one of those places. I think they are more common where you have large amounts of limestone bedrock.....and illegals, as mikey pointed out.

No, the damage in no way resembles sinkholes, and no one has suggested any sinkholes. However, faced with suddenly being the earthquake center of the planet, the state officials in Oklahoma have actually faced reality and taken a bit of responsible action.

Oklahoma officials on Monday told oil and gas producers to dramatically scale back underground disposal of wastewater that has led to a dramatic surge in the number and intensity of earthquakes.

The new restrictions, imposed by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, will require drillers to cut the amount of underground-injected wastewater by 40 percent from the peak in 2014. The move represents a shift in strategy for the state, which had initially targeted individual wells linked to seismic activity, said Matt Skinner, a spokesman for the commission.

I don't think we can expect Kansas to follow suit any time soon, what with the disastrous Tea Bagger guvnor and so forth...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:12 pm

Oklahomans are always the first to fall for this kind of anti-business eco-fascist pseudoscience.