Environmentalism: the scam

[Rooster]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... l-potatoes

The upshot is the US Navy paid $424 a gallon for an algae blended fuel and for a JP-8 blend for fighter aircraft, $67 a gallon. While it'd be easy to blame the military for this egregious overspending, it is the environmental movement and the Democratic Party that has pushed this narrative. Follow the money.

[Screw_Michigan]

Because oil will remain cheap forever. And lord knows DoD NEVER, EVER pisses away money on crap.

Do you ever post here without having your head planted firmly up your ass?

[Wolfman]

I was laughing at the news about the frozen bird killers--errr---windmills. Wonder how the solar panels worked out in the snow up north too.
And some are giving Ted Cruz grief because he knows that ethanol subsidies are a rip off.

[BSmack]

Mabus told Reuters in an interview before the ceremony that focusing on energy and energy-saving technology, from fuel-efficient propulsion systems to LED lighting, gave the Navy a military advantage.

An amphibious assault ship like the USS Makin Island, which uses a dual electric-diesel propulsion system, can stay deployed three times longer than a conventionally powered vessel, he said.

Sounds logical to me.

[BSmack]

[LTS TRN 2]

What an utterly trivial parade of troll imitation this false thread presents. From "Rooster, " surely the lamest attempt at over the top right-wing frothing lunacy. But the (in fact) non-existent "BSmack" dutifully salutes. And the ever pathetic guzzler chimes in (no chords, just a simple fake line) that yep, that darn conservationism is every bit as bad as commies and queers.

The price of oil isn't the issue, but rather its toxic effect upon the entire planet, and even War Inc. (formerly the "United States Of America") is avoiding it, despite initial higher expense.

But don't let me interrupt your careful tonguing and cleaning of every single scrotum hair of the Koch brothers and their depraved minions and partners.

[BSmack]

[Rooster]

This week was the drop dead date for Gore's An Inconvenient Truth, where the world was going to end, the seas would turn to blood, a third of the stars in the sky would fall, and Abaddon's reign of terror would begin. But wait! All those fat cats are busy planning next year's Davos meeting where they'll arrive in their swanky jets, limos, and Segways to map out a more benevolent future for our planet. The theme that has been proposed is "For Thee, But Not For Me." The forum that has the highest number of sign-ups registered for the event is covering the topic, "The next big fake crisis we can exploit for personal gain." Another popular topic is "Solyndra, the Reprise!"

On and on it goes. The climate doesn't heat up, the data is altered, the forecasts of catastrophe never occur, etc, etc, etc. Environmentalism is a scam designed to enrich the Left.

[LTS TRN 2]

Rooster, your wind-up act of playground screed is way past its "do not consume after' date. The obvious need to move away from oil and nuclear power is demonstrated by the fact of Germany and Japan--and even China--moving in an all-out policy of change. Why is it, you should rather be screaming about, that America is stuck in the quagmire of giant oil companies and Koch brother propaganda organizations (Americans For Prosperity, etc) distractions. Why, you should be demanding to know, can Southern Florida be literally sinking, while the leading government officials of that dreadful state are all Climate Change deniers.

As for Solyndra, you completely shit the bed with pure misguided and misleading nonsense. In fact there was no scandal or malfeasance at all connected with the failure of that company, but rather a dramatic and unexpected cornering of a key component in the solar panels by the Chinese during that particular business cycle. Solyndra simply got caught in a bad bind. Not really so different than the host of oil companies currently teetering on total default of the massive loans they secured to go balls in on fracking. The difference is that Solyndra was producing an effective and wholesome product, while the oil companies are shamelessly fucking the planet for short-term profits.

[BSmack]

On and on it goes. The climate doesn't heat up, the data is altered, the forecasts of catastrophe never occur, etc, etc, etc. Environmentalism is a scam designed to enrich the Left.

You must be too young to remember the kind of pollution common in America during the 60s and 70s. You know, rivers on fire, cars spewing lead into the atmosphere, asbestos, Fluorocarbons, smog on an absolutely epic scale. To paraphrase a man much smarter than you, "You're wrong."

[Rooster]

I remember the Indians crying, the smog, the water pollution, blah, blah, blah. We've cleaned up our act since then. But that doesn't change the fact that environmentalism as it is today is an industry, a political ideology based on Marxism, and a black hole that sucks dollars into it's maw for no other purpose other than its' growth. This is evidenced by the sheer fraudulent claims by it's most vocal adherents and doubled down on by their hypocritical behavior. It's a money/power game. Pure and simple. Concern for the planet doesn't factor into it.

[Screw_Michigan]

I remember the Indians crying, the smog, the water pollution, blah, blah, blah. We've cleaned up our act since then. But that doesn't change the fact that environmentalism as it is today is an industry, a political ideology based on Marxism, and a black hole that sucks dollars into it's maw for no other purpose other than its' growth. This is evidenced by the sheer fraudulent claims by it's most vocal adherents and doubled down on by their hypocritical behavior. It's a money/power game. Pure and simple. Concern for the planet doesn't factor into it.

What a sad, pitiful life you live.

[smackaholic]

I remember the Indians crying, the smog, the water pollution, blah, blah, blah. We've cleaned up our act since then. But that doesn't change the fact that environmentalism as it is today is an industry, a political ideology based on Marxism, and a black hole that sucks dollars into it's maw for no other purpose other than its' growth. This is evidenced by the sheer fraudulent claims by it's most vocal adherents and doubled down on by their hypocritical behavior. It's a money/power game. Pure and simple. Concern for the planet doesn't factor into it.

What a sad, pitiful life you live.

He is right. algore and many others have stuffed their pockets full on this scam. And they couldn't possibly give less of a fukk about the actual environment. How big is his house? What sort of private jet does he roll in these days?

He is an enviro-pimp and there are plenty others. They are in the same boat as the race pimps and all the other DC pimps. It is time to give DC a good pimp pruning.

[mvscal]

What a sad, pitiful life you live.

Says a semi-literate "journalist" who drops quarters into a wash machine down the hall from his shitty apartment while his boyfriend is putting on a new Tom Hanks DVD.

[Screw_Michigan]

Says a semi-literate "journalist" who drops quarters into a wash machine down the hall from his shitty apartment while his boyfriend is putting on a new Tom Hanks DVD.

Bitter much, you pathetic shitstain?

[smackaholic]

Says a semi-literate "journalist" who drops quarters into a wash machine down the hall from his shitty apartment while his boyfriend is putting on a new Tom Hanks DVD.

Bitter much, you pathetic shitstain?

Yes, obviously. He, myself and most others on this board are just bitter that every now and then, a major appliance we own needs repair or replacement. At such times, we think, "curses, why do I subject myself to these bandits!!!! why can't I be more like screwy, who never has to worry about such things".

[BSmack]

[Rooster]

In that video Oliver states the earth's temperatures are rising. WRONG. Full stop. This "fact", as he likes to point out negates anything else he has to say because the subject of his awful humor is entirely based on a falsehood.

[Rooster]

I'd also point out it appears that at the beginning of the vid that he is making an unwelcome pass at the guy on the left. Awkward. Unless you are LTS.

[BSmack]

The reality is that the train has already left the station. Electric cars (more torque, faster acceleration, capable of Farrari like speeds) simply make sense. Renewable US based energy production makes sense. Not spewing carbon (and other pollutants) into our atmosphere makes sense. Are there smarmy people out there looking to make a buck? Of course. There were smarmy people looking to make a buck from every movement in history. Why should this be different?

[L45B]

Because humans do not want to be told not to reproduce.

[BSmack]

The ZPG movement was 40 years ago. It failed everywhere but China. China managed to slow the population rise by doing some truly fucked up shit to people who dared have kid #2.

[smackaholic]

The ZPG movement was 40 years ago. It failed everywhere but China. China managed to slow the population rise by doing some truly fucked up shit to people who dared have kid #2.

And how did that work out for them? They have some seriously fukked demographics now. What is it? 60-70 percent male population? I'm no mikey when it comes to math, but even I know that that is going to cause a small problem in a species that is hardwired to stick a dick in something even if it means killing other dick equipped organisms in the general vicinity.

This topic is the one that bugs me regarding capitalism. Capitalism seeks growth. That was a good thing 4 or 5 billion people ago. Communism does sort of try to get a handle on this, which, in theory, makes sense. The trouble is, people being inherently self centered, tend to become assholes when they get in charge of others. So, to me, anyway, going down the road of capitalism, knowing that it likely won't end well, makes more sense than going down the socialism road, as it will inevitably result in another Mao/Stalin/Hitler/Castro.

What it really comes down to is, do I want to chose a path that, an unknown number of generations down the road is gonna have a problem or should we try that other path....again, you know, the one that crashes hard within a generation or two, every fukking time it has been tried.

[Left Seater]

The reality is that the train has already left the station. Electric cars (more torque, faster acceleration, capable of Farrari like speeds) simply make sense. Renewable US based energy production makes sense. Not spewing carbon (and other pollutants) into our atmosphere makes sense. Are there smarmy people out there looking to make a buck? Of course. There were smarmy people looking to make a buck from every movement in history. Why should this be different?

Wrong. Hybrid vehicles make sense. All electrics are fine for a little grocery grabbing or short work commute. They do not make sense for pulling a trailer at highway speeds with small grade fluctuations. The Tesla X can carry 7 people and pull a tiny trailer. But that kills the stated 250 mile range of a full charge. Full of pax and at max trailer weight, the range can drop below 100 miles. That makes no sense.

Renewable energy makes sense when it is subsidized. Does Mikey have his magic shade tree if we didn't help pay for it? My mom has found that solar doesn't make sense for her house in Northern NM where the sun shines like crazy. The break even point even assuming increases in fossil fuel prices is more than 15 years. That doesn't make sense.

[smackaholic]

If we ever come up with an affordable way of producing Hydrogen, fuel cells will be the answer for longer range vehicles. The trick is figuring out how to do that.

[LTS TRN 2]

The climate change debate is a scam. If it were truly the case that CO2 from man's activities was ruining the planet, then the climate change peeps should be screaming from the rooftops for a reduction in the growth of human population (or a reduction in the number of humans on the planet). There is a direct correlation between the number of human beings on the planet and the amount of CO2 emitted by human beings.



Reduce the number of human beings, you reduce the CO2. It is fucking math. But they do not mention that at all. Why? Because humans do not want to be told not to reproduce. We are kind of plumbed and programmed to do that yo. It is way easier (and politically expedient) to simply make up some stupid shit, take their money from them and pat them on the head while telling them they have been good stewards, and then let them do whatever the fuck their lords and rulers will let them do after that.

SS, your Koch brothers rote screed (seriously, are you on some pay-roll?) is typically twisted and inverted. Simply put, the very same bible-thumping morons who deny Climate Change are the same ones screaming to defund Planned Parenthood and contraception agencies, etc. Theirs--and propably yours if you were ever honest a day i your life--is not a scientific perspective at all, but a religious one. We notice you won't go anywhere near the rising acidification of the oceans. Or the rather dramatic increase in catastrophic storms--which are now the norm.

[R-Jack]

Nick, just send the Koch brothers one of your links already. You can bring them to your knees with one click

[Dinsdale]

We notice you won't go anywhere near the rising acidification of the oceans.

Because it's an absolute, undisputable MYTH from the grant-whores, and there isn't one shred of evidence to support it.

Or the rather dramatic increase in catastrophic storms--which are now the norm.

Uhhhh.... link?(J/K)

Since there's been a serious LULL in catastrophic storms in recent years.


Any other party-line lies you'd like to trot out?

[R-Jack]

Uhhhh.... link?(J/K)

You son of a bitch.....don't even joke about that.

[LTS TRN 2]

We notice you won't go anywhere near the rising acidification of the oceans.

Because it's an absolute, undisputable MYTH from the grant-whores, and there isn't one shred of evidence to support it.

Or the rather dramatic increase in catastrophic storms--which are now the norm.

Uhhhh.... link?(J/K)

Since there's been a serious LULL in catastrophic storms in recent years.


Any other party-line lies you'd like to trot out?

Here's the basic info on the crisis of ocean acidification..
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/oce ... ification/

And here's some data on the drastic surge of severe storms--caused by Climate Change.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles ... report.htm

Your all-but hysterical denial is really something you've obviously digested (and now shitting out) from the non-stop Koch-sponsored propaganda on the hack right-wing radio programs. Of course you can't refute any of the data I present--beyond the usual nonsense. A lull? This is the standard "reversal" technique of simply stating the exact opposite of the obvious facts, and then claim a lame equivocation--"some say that, some say this."

As for the shameless and very deep-pocket agenda of the Kochs in funding the Denial movement,

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-wa ... ndustries/

[Dinsdale]

Here's the basic info on the crisis of ocean acidification..
http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/oce ... ification/

Where to start...

The first line of the article:

"For tens of millions of years, Earth's oceans have maintained a relatively stable acidity level."


Is the exact OPPOSITE of the truth. Coral samples show that 0.5 changes in pH happen in as little as 300 years. This is FACT.

I notice there wasn't one shred of actual data in the article to back up their claim... the reason being, that none exists.

And here's some data on the drastic surge of severe storms--caused by Climate Change.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles ... report.htm

Hmmm... another article completely devoid of data. Because recent years have set records for lack of tornadoes and hurricanes.

And that article even says "research SUGGESTS..." Well, guess what? If your (grant-whore) pseudo-"research" runs excatly opposite of actual observed data...

then your "research" fucking sucks... BASIC. FUCKING. SCIENCE.

Of course you can't refute any of the data I present--beyond the usual nonsense.

Uhm... you presented a grand total of exactly zero "data." You posted opinion pieces that are clearly incorrect (beyond debate).

A lull?

Did I stutter?

Not sure which part of "record breaking low numbers of hurricanes and tornadoes" you didn't understand?

This is the standard "reversal" technique of simply stating the exact opposite of the obvious facts

The "facts" are that there's been no increase in ocean pH beyond what's been routinely observed seasonally for decades (carbonic acid is a very weak acid, and is food for coral when it precipitates). There's been less hurricanes and tornadoes than average (since people started keeping records) in recent years. And from satellite data *(the one method of measuring global temperature that hasn't been radically altered in recent years) shows little-to-no warming in the past couple of decades.


I know every ounce of your being really wants to run counter to everything the Koch's say, but reallyreallyreally wishing something was true doesn't make it so. In fact, you're not alone -- some people wish it so much, that they've gone back and altered actual observed data to make their failed models seem accurate.

Chin up, buddy -- the sky isn't actually falling. In fact, I appreciate your passion for environmental issues. But you and humanity would be better served by focusing on issues that actually have merit -- habitat restoration, reforestation, riparian stream buffers, cleaning up coal-plants... you know, REAL issues. Not made-up ones that serve grant whores and the ultra-wealthy.

[LTS TRN 2]

Dins, your annoying manner of simply denying everything that you've been programmed to oppose is thoroughly bogus. You offer nothing whatever to support your assertion, for example, that ocean acidification has displayed variations over the millennia. I have offered an actual scientific perspective--which, despite being from National Geographic, is not a "government" agency looking to profit or scam anyone. Further, you offer nothing to support your ridiculous suggestion of a lull in tornadoes or severe and irregular storms. And you sure as hell offer nothing to dispute the shameless protracted efforts of the Koch brothers in funding and organizing a wide web of Denialist groups, whose basic function is to obfuscate the issues of environmentalism and confuse people with simplistic "libertarian" gibberish.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You offer nothing whatever to support your assertion,

[Mikey]

The "facts" are that there's been no increase in ocean pH beyond what's been routinely observed seasonally for decades (carbonic acid is a very weak acid, and is food for coral when it precipitates).

Check your "facts" because you're arguing against yourself here.

Low pH = acid
High pH = alkaline

[LTS TRN 2]

Are we to be surprised that Dins, the shuffling, grouchy old fool, would be dug in, bunkered with an absolutely ass-backwards take--and spouting it vociferously?

How sad that basic general awareness of the crucial environmental problems--and their proper address--should be hindered by the likes of such ignorance and seething cowardly fear.

Dins' hero and role model...