Obama's first executive order

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:13 am

Birdy wrote:
mvscal wrote:
War Wagon wrote:He can easily issue a proclamation closing Gitmo... that wouldn't actually take effect for months.
Or ever.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_ ... guantanamo

It's been said to you on more than one occasion. The only people wanting to hear your opinion on anything are 4 or 5 fluffers on the set of Ocean's 13 inches or Buttman and Throbbin'.

"At least three military prisons — at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., Camp Pendleton, Calif., and Charleston, S.C. — could house some of the Guantanamo detainees, according to a second senior administration official who also spoke on condition of anonymity."

Love to find out how those folks voted in the election.

""House Republican leader John Boehner said he's open to options, "but most local communities around America don't want dangerous terrorists imported into their neighborhoods, and I can't blame them.""

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:21 am

Tom In VA wrote:
RadioFan wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Yeah, you're an expert on the FOIA. Good one.
Have you ever even made a FOIA request?
No. I am familiar only with processing them for the agency I worked for in the 90's.

Figured as much.

Tom In VA wrote:But do tell. How did your Area 51 request do ?

Nice.

As you well know, this has a hell of a lot less to do with the UFO/LTS TRN 2 community, than not.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:25 am

So you have, big deal. What agency. Different agencies have different requirements and you're never really going to get anything consequential or of "substance".

It gets so specialized they have fucking attornies who specifically focus on areas.

So rather than your standard smarmy bullshit, quid pro quo, I showed you mine, you show me yours.

What was your request ?

What would make you think that the FOIA, completely, is nothing more than a PR move. Rest assured if a fuck up happens that put national security in the throws - you or I ain't finding out about it. Why do you think Bush closed the door on SOME FOIA request - specficially to protect his predecessor(s). That's why.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:30 am

Tom In VA wrote: ""House Republican leader John Boehner said he's open to options, "but most local communities around America don't want dangerous terrorists imported into their neighborhoods, and I can't blame them.""

I doubt anyone around here is worried about security at Leavenworth.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:36 am

Tom In VA wrote:So you have, big deal. What agency. Different agencies have different requirements and you're never really going to get anything consequential or of "substance".

Bro ...

Not even going to go there, givin how idiodic that statement is.

Tom In VA wrote:What would make you think that the FOIA, completely, is nothing more than a PR move.

Um, because our president didn't have to write it?

Tom In VA wrote:Rest assured if a fuck up happens that put national security in the throws - you or I ain't finding out about it.

Ya think?

Tom In VA wrote:Why do you think Bush closed the door on SOME FOIA request - specficially to protect his predecessor(s). That's why.

Re-read my link.

The Bush adminsitration told folks to withhold it from the public, if questionable. The memo the Obama put out is the exact OPPOSITE.

Damn dude. I know you used to be a government bureaucrat and all, but jesus fucking christ. The government's business is the public's business.

TAX dollars, remember?

Never thought I'd see the day when someone would defend government secrecy.

Huge props, Tom.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:38 am

Scott wrote:Tart you've jumped the fence Bro - jus' sayin.......

I'm still in the South part, Scott.

Tempted to down a 12'er, though, and strip bare naked, jump that fence and run around for a minute in the North ... jus' to say I did.

PET to follow.

It's not a requirement for the prez to be sworn in on a Bible.
It's just interesting ... to me ... that Obama chose NOT to.
It's noted.

I expect many or most to go Sirfindafold and say, "Who gives a fuck?"

Or better yet ... "Oh HELL yeah! You GO, B.O.!"

It's all good.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:49 am

poptart wrote:It's just interesting ... to me ... that Obama chose NOT to.
It's noted.

Relax.

There's sure to be a resurgance of Bible-thumping nutjobs ... errrr, a "reformation of America" on TV, shortly, Joel Osteen, notwithstanding. :wink:

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:53 am

RadioFan wrote:Re-read my link.

The Bush adminsitration told folks to withhold it from the public, if questionable. The memo the Obama put out is the exact OPPOSITE.

Yeah he reversed the "presumption of disclosure". Whooooppeeeee, now we'll find out who shot JR.

RadioFan wrote: Damn dude. I know you used to be a government bureaucrat and all, but jesus fucking christ. The government's business is the public's business.

TAX dollars, remember?

Never thought I'd see the day when someone would defend government secrecy.

Huge props, Tom.

All your smarminess aside, nobody is defending "secrecy", personally I agree and have worked with a ton of bureaucrats that agree with you. They face an uphill struggle no matter the administration - complicated by the fact that the REAL bureaucrats are the appointees and the cousins and nephews, frat brothers, sorority sisters etc.. etc.. get into the SES jobs which change every four years BTW. The rest of us were just working hacks.

I left during Clinton when his people got people I knew "invited to leave" because they wouldn't break the law.

Oh, so, what was your FOIA request ?

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:08 am

Tom In VA wrote:All your smarminess aside, nobody is defending "secrecy", personally I agree and have worked with a ton of bureaucrats that agree with you. They face an uphill struggle no matter the administration - complicated by the fact that the REAL bureaucrats are the appointees and the cousins and nephews, frat brothers, sorority sisters etc.. etc.. get into the SES jobs which change every four years BTW. The rest of us were just working hacks.

Fair enough.

Do you honestly think Obama's memo is going to shake up things? I'd be willing to bet yes, at least in the short term, no?

Look, bro. Point is, the memo was sent. It's good for journalists, it's good for the freaks like LTS and, more importantly, it's good for the PUBLIC.

We are a Democracy, with the People PAYING the salaries of government employees. There's no reason whatsoever that there should be a wall between people wanting documents and beaurocrats, wanting to hide them. Ridiculous.

Outside of the Jesus freaks, who can't wait to be blown up in heaven ...

How anyone can find fault in forcing MORE government disclosure is truely mindboggling.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:48 am

Jsc, that pic was from yesterday.

The move today was quintessential Obama.

In front of the multi-millions, B.O. placed his hand on the Bible and took the oath ... butchered.

But today, in the semi-private "do over" dealie, he chose not to use a Bible.

He's a phoney baloney.

I'm a person of faith in God.
I am around people who have a genuine faith in God, people who know where their very LIFE comes from, let alone where the power to attain such a lofty professional position comes from.
To such people it would be unimaginable to take an oath for office (even if it is a "do over") of the president and NOT do so by acknowledgement of the Word of God.

It's by God's grace and His will that B.O. has become president of the United States.
For him, a said man of faith, not to acknowledge it, is, as I said, noted.

Acts 17:26

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:56 am

poptart wrote: In front of the multi-millions, B.O. placed his hand on the Bible and took the oath ... butchered.

By whom? And who was it that caught said butchering?

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:09 am

Who butchered it?

Both B.O. and Roberts butchered it.

B.O.'s teleprompter changed stations and Judge Roberts decided to play "fuck around" with Mr. Yes HE can!

The comedy that ensued was not dissimilar to what goes down when Guntslinger's uncle bamboozles him with shadow bunnies fun.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:13 am

poptart wrote:Who butchered it?

Both B.O. and Roberts butchered it.

You're an idiot.

Mix in a little Art.II Sec.I you hapless tard.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:25 am

You might be spot on IF ...

a) Cuda RACKS you
b) Tardy and Tiny are taking turns telling you you are an i0diot
c) Paul C&Ps your post

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:33 am

poptart wrote:might be spot on IF...

In this case you are just a stupid tard.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:01 am

poptart wrote:Who butchered it?

Both B.O. and Roberts butchered it.

As CJ of the SC, Roberts is supposed to be giving the oath, not fucking it up.

35 words.

If anything, "B.O." made him out to be a complete idiot. Did you even watch the swearing in, or did dog indigestion set in?

Bro, this isn't even open to debate. If it was Obama's fuckup, there would have been at least 5 threads in here, not counting trolls, 2 days ago.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:18 am

Selective listening?

B.O. started out the flubbing by INTERRUPTING Roberts.

Then when Roberts, flustered by being interrupted, flubbed the next sentence by placing faithfully at the end instead of in the middle ... Roberts corrected himself and said the sentence as required.

BUT, B.O. repeated the corrected sentence INCORRECTLY, but placing faithfully at the END of the sentence.

TWO blatant foul ups by B.O.

I seriously don't know what YOU were watching.

They both fugged it up.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:57 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
ChargerMike wrote:ordered new ethics rules for "a clean break from business as usual."
Dude who appointed a lobbyist from Raytheon to eventually take over the Pentagon, and named a board member of a carbon-trading scam outfit and an open socialist as "climate czar" is going to talk about ethics and breaking from business as usual?

Damn, you motherfuckers just got clowned.

"We need hope, not FEAR... BTW, if you don't give us your money to cool the earth back down, you're all going to die! But we're going to do away with fear!"

Are you fucking serious?

Nice job engineering a train wreck, tards. Could you pleasepleaseplase not be a complete fucking retard the next time you vote... please?

I didn't vote for him.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:03 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
"At least three military prisons — at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., Camp Pendleton, Calif., and Charleston, S.C. — could house some of the Guantanamo detainees, according to a second senior administration official who also spoke on condition of anonymity."

Love to find out how those folks voted in the election.

""House Republican leader John Boehner said he's open to options, "but most local communities around America don't want dangerous terrorists imported into their neighborhoods, and I can't blame them.""

I don't want them in San Diego county. Anyone who thinks they deserve to be on US soil is crazy. Apparently Obama is a nutjob.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:42 pm

RadioFan wrote: Fair enough.

Do you honestly think Obama's memo is going to shake up things? I'd be willing to bet yes, at least in the short term, no?

Look, bro. Point is, the memo was sent. It's good for journalists, it's good for the freaks like LTS and, more importantly, it's good for the PUBLIC.

We are a Democracy, with the People PAYING the salaries of government employees. There's no reason whatsoever that there should be a wall between people wanting documents and beaurocrats, wanting to hide them. Ridiculous.

Outside of the Jesus freaks, who can't wait to be blown up in heaven ...

How anyone can find fault in forcing MORE government disclosure is truely mindboggling.

Radio,

For the most part Washington will remain "business as usual". That's my point. It's too early to blare the trumpets for our President. Way too early and I for one am not going to stand in line to give him a rusty trombone for superficial "hey look mang, I'm workin".

That goes for his "transparency" thing and ... they're already giving him credit for closing gitmo when all it is a "released" draft of a memo of a draft of a plan of a draft of an executive order.

It's phony Washington bullshit. Kind of like the way Bush's "domestic spying" has all of a sudden become acceptable and coined "international surveillance".

I'm not buying into the hype.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:56 pm

KABUL (Reuters) - The closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison will do little to erase the blot on the U.S. rights record unless other U.S. detention centers are also shut and inmates compensated, Afghan and Pakistani campaigners said on Thursday.

The comments come as President Barack Obama is expected to issue orders later in the day to close the Guantanamo prison and overhaul the treatment of terrorism suspects; a move aimed at swiftly restoring a U.S. image hurt by charges of torture.

"He is closing it in order to put an end to the criticism from human rights groups and also to get rid of the bad image it created for the Americans," said Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, a former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan who spent more than three years imprisoned at Guantanamo.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usPolitic ... Z720090122

Why are you doing this Mr. Obama? It's not going to be enough to satisfy "world opinion."

What a joke.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:19 pm

trev wrote: Anyone who thinks they deserve to be on US soil is crazy.

Why do you hate on the Constitution, the US military and local SD Sheriffs and Police?

How's the weather down there today Miss Little?

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:24 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
trev wrote: Anyone who thinks they deserve to be on US soil is crazy.
Why do you hate on the Constitution, the US military and local SD Sheriffs and Police?

How's the weather down there today Miss Little?

Why would you assume I hate any of that? I freaking LOVE all that. I just don't want even your head blown up by terrorists.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:35 pm

mvscal wrote:We held about 500,000 Axis POW's in the US during WW2. They were detained for the duration of the conflict, they had no right or access to legal counsel nor were we obligated to charge them with a crime.

And if I'm not mistaken some were required to work, specifically farming, in areas where most of the male population was gone .... fighting Germans and Japanese.

Slave labor basically.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:42 pm

trev wrote:

KABUL (Reuters) - The closure of the Guantanamo Bay prison will do little to erase the blot on the U.S. rights record unless other U.S. detention centers are also shut and inmates compensated, Afghan and Pakistani campaigners said on Thursday.

The comments come as President Barack Obama is expected to issue orders later in the day to close the Guantanamo prison and overhaul the treatment of terrorism suspects; a move aimed at swiftly restoring a U.S. image hurt by charges of torture.

"He is closing it in order to put an end to the criticism from human rights groups and also to get rid of the bad image it created for the Americans," said Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, a former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan who spent more than three years imprisoned at Guantanamo.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usPolitic ... Z720090122

Why are you doing this Mr. Obama? It's not going to be enough to satisfy "world opinion."

What a joke.

So what you're saying is that you're in complete agreement with Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef?

Put your chador back on sniveling running dog bitch and shut the fuck up. Your opinion is of no value.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:56 pm

Mikey wrote: So what you're saying is that you're in complete agreement with Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef?

I don't know about that guy but he isn't as bad a Mullah Fuckah Tossa Salad. That dude was downright dangerously funny.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:13 pm

trev wrote:
Why would you assume I hate any of that? I freaking LOVE all that. I just don't want even your head blown up by terrorists.

when you're afraid of the illogical, the terrorists win

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:02 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Mikey wrote: So what you're saying is that you're in complete agreement with Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef?
I don't know about that guy but he isn't as bad a Mullah Fuckah Tossa Salad. That dude was downright dangerously funny.

If they transfer Mullah Jah Ganja Spleef over here I might not object.

trev · Post by **trev** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:27 pm

Mikey wrote:
So what you're saying is that you're in complete agreement with Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef?

Put your chador back on sniveling running dog bitch and shut the fuck up. Your opinion is of no value.

You asked me a question and then state that my opinion doesn't matter. I'll answer it anyway. I agree that it won't change world opinion much. I don't agree that the detainees are victims. How's that?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:31 pm

trev wrote: Why would you assume I hate any of that?

Because you implied it you fucking twat. Let the Constitution, the Military and, if need be, local Law Enforcement do their jobs and you go back to being a brainless cunt.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:34 pm

mvscal wrote:Enemy combatants have no Constitutional recourse, you brainless fucktard.

We know your asinine position you fucking Racist POS.

Have you ever been right about anything? WMD? Iraq? Plame? Genetics? Palin? Anything?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:39 pm

Moving Sale wrote:We know your asinine position you fucking Racist POS.

Since you're so sensitive about "racism" here are a few targets for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6v ... annel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6v ... annel_page[/youtube]

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:12 pm

Yea, that and what mvsKKKal spews are the same.

You are one stupid piece of shit.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:15 pm

While not happy that gitmo is closing I sure hope those being held there are sent to general prison population around the country.

Rape and child molestation are currently at the bottom of the list, and I would have to think so would terrorists. The general population might just take care of the problem for us.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:19 pm

mvscal wrote:We held about 500,000 Axis POW's in the US during WW2.

Being right about a fact that doesn't support your argument doesn't count you Vile, Racist, Cockcave.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:49 pm

Plus the fact that WWII was a real war--with actual declarations etc. The current "War on Terror" is nothing more than semantics. It's literally a war on an abstract noun. The Cheney-like logic that some blanket definition of "war" can justify locking up hundreds or thousands of people --with no charges, no evidence, no due process, and no information period, is straight out of the Soviet Union. As usual, babs, you're dead wrong, and no doubt you'll once again go down strapped to the mast spouting your seething racist gibberish as you go under. :wink:

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:41 am

Moving Sale wrote: you... Cockcave.

I bet your gay lover whispers that in your ear when he's got you bent over the coffee table.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:46 am

War Wagon wrote:
Moving Sale wrote: you... Cockcave.
I bet your gay lover whispers that in your ear when he's got you bent over the coffee table.

Where do you live again?

Some place called KCIKYABWAIMO?

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:03 am

mvscal wrote:
KC Scott wrote:
trev wrote:
Why would you assume I hate any of that? I freaking LOVE all that. I just don't want even your head blown up by terrorists.

when you're afraid of the illogical, the terrorists win
Are you attempting to suggest that it is illogical to believe that the scum we have locked up at Gitmo wants to kill Americans?

Unless you just wern't following along carefully, you'll notice the discussion was about transferring prisoners from Gitmo to the US.
So unless you have zero confidence in the federal systems ability to keep these dudes in lockdown, then it's an illogical argument.

And just in case - I g'd the Supermax escapes and found not only have there been no escapes from Supermax facilities, but also no serious attempts at escape.

Sorry, I just don't think your going to see Michael Bay scenes of Osama Bin Cage flying a con air out of Leavenworth.

I really think Lefty has tyhe right idea here.....

While not happy that gitmo is closing I sure hope those being held there are sent to general prison population around the country.

Rape and child molestation are currently at the bottom of the list, and I would have to think so would terrorists. The general population might just take care of the problem for us.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:37 am

KC Scott wrote: Unless you just wern't following along carefully, you'll notice the discussion was about transferring prisoners from Gitmo to the US.

Not necessarily. Some or most of these "detainees" will probably get a free plane ride home, assuming their native countries will have them. And then they'll be able to take their vengeance.

And just in case - I g'd the Supermax escapes and found not only have there been no escapes from Supermax facilities, but also no serious attempts at escape.

Sorry, I just don't think your going to see Michael Bay scenes of Osama Bin Cage flying a con air out of Leavenworth.

Again, not really the point. Nobody seriously thinks these shitstains could break out of the Jackson county jail, much less Fort Leavenworth or a Supermax. The question is how do you justify housing them there in the first place?

One should have at least been convicted of a crime in a court of law before residing in one of those precious domiciles.