T1B Survey

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:03 pm

So, I'm taking a gun safety course this weekend. In the end, I will have a certificate required to apply for Virginia's Conceal Carry permit.

Knee jerk reaction to Obama Hysteria ?

Perhaps. I've been going shooting with a friend of mine recently and had always contemplated exercising my rights under the 2nd Amendment but always figured it was a low priority. "It'll be there when I need it". This friend counseled me as to - "If you wait until you need it, you'll be too late". Add to that he's shared NRA literature that is expressing some concern about President Obama's attitudes towards the 2nd Amendment.

So, I have signed up for a course. Next order of business is determining the firearm of choice. Most, if not all, violations of the 2nd Amendment will target handguns and "assault" type weapons. Rifles, shotguns, and the like are typically the last to be targetted as they have a utility other than - killing people. So the decision was made to investigate purchasing a handgun.

The one I am looking at costs $670.00

What would T1B do ?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:13 pm

I recently stopped in the gun shop with a friend who is a gun-nut. He has quite the impressive arsenal, and a concealed permit to go with it.

While his choices for carry guns are numerous, he still bought a new one.

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/p3at.htm

Not the highest-end piece on the market, but is the most concealable gun that shoots a "real" bullet (subjective, of course).

It certainly adresses the problem of packing in hot weather -- which has been an issue for the CWP holders I know.

I think he paid about $250, give or take a few. If you go with a .380 or smaller, spend the dough on the hot loads.

And I think this move is most patriotic of you, Tom.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:29 pm

A gun saftey course is good for anyone to take, regardless if you move on to the permit.

I have had the right for years to carry here in Texas and will continue to encourage others to do the same. My wife has taken gun safety courses also, however, she isn't comfortable carrying a gun. But she does know how to handle one and how to use it properly to stop an intruder in our home.

Funny thing about the permit is you are instructed to give it to law officers anytime you are stopped. I guess it is so if they decide to search you or your car they know to be on the look out for it. The one time I have been stopped since I have had it, the officer just wanted to chat about what I shot, etc. Spent 15 minutes talking and then he sent me on my way without so much as a warning. Hope it works the same way in VA.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:30 pm

Cool weapon.

The weapon I've been looking at is a revolver. Based upon counsel, as a novice, the revolver is more user friendly, easier to clean, and less prone to jamming. So I'm adhering to that advice.

Ruger, 357. Laser sight is built in.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:38 pm

Don't get me wrong -- I don't have any beef with a Ruger revolver, and I'd be hard pressed to find a better round to cap bad guys with than a mighty .357.

But on the other side of the coin -- a wheelgun is harder to conceal.

And anyone who says a wheelie is markedly more reliable/less jam-prone is either grossly biased, over the age of 65, or has been shooting some cheap-ass autoloaders.

And they've sure the fuck never had a primer back out of the casing... which renders a revolver useless, and is a 0.5 second fix on an auto... there is that. Sure, with quality ammo, a primer coming loose is rare... but with quality ammo and a well-maintained auto, jamups are rare.

BTW-if I was buying a wheelie, I might try and come up with the extra bucks to get one thatsays Colt on it. Nothing wrong with a Ruger, but it's a Buick sitting next to a Rolls. If you shoot both side-by-side, you'll understand why.

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:42 pm

nothing wrong with the little ruger. nowadays, I carry a s&w model 19 snubby- holds 6 rounds of .357 instead of 5 for the ruger.

before that, i carried a para ordinance p-12 45acp. last few times i had it at the range it started having various stoppages (fail to feed, fail to eject) after the first couple magazines

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:59 pm

It depends. On your body type (how easy you can conceal the gun) hand size (how well you can handle it) and proficiency (speaks for itself). Thje best thing to do is go to a range that rents guns and try a few out before buying one. The best gun to carry is the one you are most comfortable with.

And props on your support of our (soon to be late great) constitution.

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:00 pm

So far Obama seems like the best thing to have ever happened to the firearms industry.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:09 pm

Q, West Coast Style wrote:So far Obama seems like the best thing to have ever happened to the firearms industry.

That would probably be the advent of the centerfire cartridge.

But... your statement speaks volumes and volumes, for certain.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:10 pm

Happiness is a warm gun.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:23 pm

Happiness is a warm gun.

Sin,

Mark Chapman.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:42 pm

So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills. Can I skate with six hundreds, a fifty and a twenty ?

Is there any mercy left ?

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:45 pm

Tom In VA wrote:So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills. Can I skate with six hundreds, a fifty and a twenty ?

Is there any mercy left ?

Anti-second amendment types tend to trend homoerotic?

Not that shocking.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:47 pm

You can buy a whole lot of Atlantic Salmon with $670, Tom...you could be shitting mercury like something out of Terminator 2.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:51 pm

Something to consider. Punji stake pits with "mercury" tips.

"This House Protected By Shit"

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:55 pm

Rasputin wrote:
Happiness is a warm gun.
Sin,

Mark Chapman.

That wasn't too predictable.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:05 pm

Mikey wrote:
Rasputin wrote:
Happiness is a warm gun.
Sin,

Mark Chapman.
That wasn't too predictable.

Bang Bang. Shoot Shoot.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:20 pm

Tom In VA wrote:So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills. Can I skate with six hundreds, a fifty and a twenty ?

Is there any mercy left ?

Maybe you could buy the pistol and shove that up your ass. That would appear to satisfy most of the voters.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:28 pm

What a very thoughtful response Goober, Henry Clay would be proud.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:47 pm

Yes, Tom, I'm a uniter, not a divider.

Hopefully you'll be a better shot than Mr. Clay.

lovebuzz · Post by **lovebuzz** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:53 pm

go check your inbox, Goob.

or else i might have to start acting all cunty and stuff.

please.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:57 pm

!zzubevol wrote:or else i might have to start acting all cunty and stuff.

That's an act?

lovebuzz · Post by **lovebuzz** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:00 pm

you want some, motherfucker ?

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:05 pm

!zzubevol wrote:you want some, motherfucker ?

Chill, missy. That was just too easy a set-up. If I hadn't someone would have.

And it depends on what the mother looks like.

lovebuzz · Post by **lovebuzz** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:07 pm

that was typed in a complete deadpan monotone.

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:10 pm

Less is more, Babe.

lovebuzz · Post by **lovebuzz** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:20 pm

you call chicks "babe" ?!?!?!

how does that usually work out for you ?

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:27 pm

"Lady" is much more respectful of the whole woman. It respects her needs as a social power, a graceful entity, and a dirty dirty naughty girl.

Lady, when youre with me Im smiling
Give me all your love
Your hands build me up when Im sinking
Just touch me and my troubles all fade
Lady, from the moment I saw you
Standing all alone
You gave all the love that I needed
So shy, like a child who has grown

Youre my lady of the morning
Love shines in your eyes
Sparkling, clear, and lovely
Youre my lady

Lady, turns me on when Im lonely
Show me all your charm
Evenings when she lays down beside me
Just take me gently into your arms

Your my lady of the morning
Love shines in your eyes
Sparkling, clear, and lovely
Youre my lady

Lady of the morning
Love shines in your eyes
Sparkling, clear, and lovely
Youre my ... lady

Rasputin · Post by **Rasputin** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:36 pm

!zzubevol wrote:you call chicks "babe" ?!?!?!

how does that usually work out for you ?

Surprisingly well. It chases away the ones with no sense of humor-but they can't handle me anyway.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:51 pm

Rasputin wrote:It chases away the ones with no sense of humor

Opposites attract and whatnot.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:02 pm

!zzubevol wrote:go check your inbox, Goob.

or else i might have to start acting all cunty and stuff.

please.

Done.

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:48 pm

Tom In VA wrote:So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills.

Actually, I was thinking pennies.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:51 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills.
Actually, I was thinking pennies.

Cruel man you are Terry, a cruel man you are.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:01 pm

Jsc810 wrote:You don't need to have a large weapon in order to be effective.

While I don't disagree to any great extent...

It sure the fuck doesn't hurt.

My compact is a .32ACP... and I ain't betting the farm that it's going to stop anyone from shooting back... hence the .45ACP at bedside.

Ballistics is actually fairly cut and dried-btw. Something about mass times velocity, or something like that.

Plus, there's the "toughness factor" -- shoot me, or many, many others like me with a 60gr .32ACP in the leg, and all it's most likely going to do is piss me off. Although I imagine if JSC endured the same fate, it would result in a two month hospital stay.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:07 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:So far, the "Shove it up your ass folks" are winning the poll.

I hope they don't mean, all one dollar bills.
Actually, I was thinking pennies.

Nickel rolls.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:30 pm

No matter what, think safety first.

Fuckin' BUZZKILL.

--Vogelfrau

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:30 pm

Dinsdale wrote:shoot me, or many, many others like me with a 60gr .32ACP in the leg, and all it's most likely going to do is piss me off. .

Don't appear to be a volunteer

Louis Cyphre · Post by **Louis Cyphre** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:16 am

Tom,

For CCW, take a look at these:

Walther PPK/S .380
Walther P99 Compact
Beretta 92 Compact
CZ 75 Compact

The last three are smaller versions of a full size 9mm gun. All can be had for under $600.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:18 am

Louis Cyphre wrote: Walther PPK/S .380

Got a PP .32.

Old and beat, but no complaints.

The first compact auto made-btw.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:00 am

Where do you fucks live, Baghdad?

$670 - What to do with it ?