Time for a new rig.

[Dinsdale]

Any idiot can see the obvious differences in materials, etc.

You mean like your Ranger (assuming 93 or later)?

Uhm, Sam...

Those interior parts were MADE IN JAPAN.

What part of that are you not getting. It's the EXACT SAME FUCKING MATERIALS. MADE IN THE SAME FUCKING PLANT.

The Ranger engines are made by Mazda, which last I checked was a Japanese brand.

One more time, for the complete blithering fucking dumbfucks... P-E-R-C-E-P-T-I-O-N. Yours has obviously been tainted, and obviously isn't based on anything factual.

Here, I'll explain it further -- when the Japanese and American manufacturers began the "dual-branding" thing there was a difference in perception. There were Mitsubishis and Chryslers that were the EXACT SAME CAR. Built on the exact same assembly line. Only difference was the name plates that were put on at the end. And in the Consumer Reports owner surveys, take a big guess what?

The fit-and-finish and overall owner satisfaction of the Japanese brands were universally given the highest ratings on the scale used. The American nameplates were all given the lowest marks possible.


They were the EXACT SAME FUCKING CAR. In the automotive circles, the Consumer Reports rankings were hilarious.


Now, Sam -- how do you suppose that the EXACT SAME FUCKING CARS were given such radically different ratings?


Think about it, Sam. It was because of fucking idiots like yourself who didn't base their opinions on anything factual, but rather some very inaccurate preconceptions.


And that wasn't an isolated incident (look it up yourself, if you can find really old Consumer Reports rags)... it was EVERY dual-branded vehicle... all of them. For many years.


The 1994 Geo Prism/Toyota Corolla was one of the classics. Same. Fucking. Car. Yet Consumer Reports rated the "interior trim" of the Prism as being worse than the Corolla... classic. Maybe Sam writes for Consumer Reports?


If you look at all of those Consumer Reports rankings from the dual-branding era (around mid-80's to mid/late 90's), they offer PROOF that I'm right, and you're wrong. PROOF. See, PROOF is a little more solid than "I pushed a switch."


"My Ranger made from Japanese parts and Japanese materials which are the exact same as a Mazda truck is a piece of shit, but my Mazda truck is WAY better, because it has beter materials."


Seriously, are you on drugs(doesn't make you a bad person)?


Engage in all the name calling you like. Question whether I have 8.5 years of professional auto repair experience. Throw all that hyperbole out there you'd like. In the end, you're still WAY over your head in this one.


Somehow, you've made this incredible leap in logic that since YOU'VE had better luck with Japanese vehicles, you now speak for every mechanic in the country. Considering how you've displayed your "logic" here, I guess the complete bullshit coming out of your keyboard shouldn't come as any suprise.


But wait -- it actually gets better (if that's even possible):

There's not a mechanic in this country who doesn't know that Japanese engines are more efficient than American made engines

Hmmm.... in the midsized class, the most efficient 2004 (the first year I found) vehicles are, in order --

CHEVROLET IMPALA

CHEVROLET MALIBU MAXX

CHRYSLER CONCORDE/LHS

DODGE INTREPID

BUICK LESABRE


Makes you go "Hmmmmm," don't it. BTW- Japanese manufactut=rers make vehicles in that class with smaller engines. They don't make the "most efficient" list. Why is that, Sam? Since you have this alllllll figured out, I'm sure you can explain this -- maybe include some VE figures, or something?


BTW -- the "most efficient" non-hybrid vehicle in 2004 was German, dumbass.

How about SUV's? The Japs must make the more efficient engines, right? They should pretty much dominate that shit too, right?

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Mercedes-Benz R500 4matic 8 cylinder 5 liter Automatic (L7) Premium 12 city 18 highway
Land Rover Range Rover 8 cylinder 4.2 liter Automatic (6) Regular 12 city 18 highway
Land Rover Range Rover 8 cylinder 4.4 liter Automatic (6) Regular 12 city 18 highway
Nissan Armada 2WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) RNG420 Gasoline 12 city 18 highway
Nissan Armada 2WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) RNG420 E85 9 city 13 highway
Land Rover Range Rover Sport 8 cylinder 4.2 liter Automatic (6) Regular 12 city 18 highway
Audi Q7 8 cylinder 4.2 liter Automatic (6) Premium 12 city 17 highway
Volkswagen Touareg 8 cylinder 4.2 liter Automatic (6) Premium 12 city 17 highway
Infiniti QX56 2WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) Premium 12 city 17 highway
Lincoln Navigator 2WD 8 cylinder 5.4 liter Automatic (6) Regular 12 city 17 highway
Nissan Armada 2WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) Regular 12 city 17 highway
Infiniti QX56 4WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) Premium 12 city 17 highway
Nissan Armada 4WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) Regular 12 city 17 highway
Nissan Armada 4WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) RNG420 Gasoline 12 city 17 highway
Nissan Armada 4WD 8 cylinder 5.6 liter Automatic (5) RNG420 E85 9 city 12 highway
Chrysler Aspen 4WD 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) Gasoline 12 city 17 highway
Chrysler Aspen 4WD 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) E85 8 city 12 highway
Dodge Durango 4WD 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) Gasoline 12 city 17 highway
Dodge Durango 4WD 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) E85 8 city 12 highway
Chevrolet Trailblazer AWD 8 cylinder 6 liter Automatic (4) Premium 12 city 16 highway
Lexus LX 470 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) Premium 12 city 15 highway
Toyota Land Cruiser Wagon 4WD 8 cylinder 4.7 liter Automatic (5) Regular 12 city 15 highway
Mercedes-Benz G 500 8 cylinder 5 liter Automatic (L7) Premium 12 city 15 highway
Mercedes-Benz R63 AMG 8 cylinder 6.2 liter Automatic (S7) Premium 11 city 15 highway
Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG 8 cylinder 6.2 liter Automatic (S7) Premium 11 city 14 highway
Jeep Grand Cherokee 4WD 8 cylinder 6.1 liter Automatic (5) Premium 11 city 14 highway
Mercedes-Benz G 55 AMG 8 cylinder 5.4 liter Automatic (5) Premium 11 city 13 highway





Hmmmm.... pretty top-heavy with American nameplates, eh? Even more impressive is that some of the "more efficient" American models are larger/heavier than their Japanese competitors.



But go ahead and claim other people are idiots, Sam... it looks good on you.

[Bobby42]

^^^
Rant. It's Friday night and he's due.

[Dinsdale]

A big trouble area with domestic stuff is fwd OD trannies. Somebody at chrysler needs to be lynched for their fwd OD trannies. Ford is a little better, GM prolly the best.

The early Toyota OD AT's were legendary pieces of crap.

Cockaholic, have you ever owned a car that wasnt a laughable pile of shit?

I wouldnt fucking wish any of those shit sleds upon my worst enemy.

One of my buds has had a 94(?) SHO for quite a few years now. I've spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel, since he's usually too liquored up to drive and always leaves it at my house.

Kick in the ass, for a family sedan. Pretty impressive for a non-blown 6. Of course, I ain't the one catching the repair bills, so that makes it easier to stomach... although it's been a great ride for him.

and this just in-American 4 bangers, until recently, were garbage for the most part.

If by "for the most part," you meant to exclude the Iron Duke (which became aluminum later on) and possibly the not-so-efficient but very reliable International 152, then yes. And the venerable Ford 2.3 that was around forrrrreeeeever.

Which are most of the "old school" American 4's... which I'd put up against any similar Japanese engine, reliability-wise. Maybe that's why those engine lines continued for so many years with very few upgrades... ya'think?

[Raydah James]

and this just in-American 4 bangers, until recently, were garbage for the most part.

If by "for the most part," you meant to exclude the Iron Duke (which became aluminum later on) and possibly the not-so-efficient but very reliable International 152, then yes. And the venerable Ford 2.3 that was around forrrrreeeeever.

Which are most of the "old school" American 4's... which I'd put up against any similar Japanese engine, reliability-wise. Maybe that's why those engine lines continued for so many years with very few upgrades... ya'think?

Funny....I almost went back and revised my post. Well, you covered a good portion of my thoughts on the exceptions surrounding the American 4 bangers. Either way, i'm getting a pretty damn good laugh reading the drivel being spilt all over this bitch.



You know, I almost want this thread to continue on-the utter stupidity on display is enough to make KC tard jealous with envy.

[Dinsdale]

You know, I almost want this thread to continue on-the utter stupidity on display is enough to make KC tard jealous with envy.

You mean like this?

Wrong. Wrong, And wrong, Dinsy.

One engine (the 2.3) is built in Mexico and is a version of a Mazda-designed engine.

WHAT?


Uhm, bro...


That "eject" option is still on the table, bud.


Uhm... Ford started producing the 2.3 in like 1971... pretty sure it's not a "Japanese design." Must be some serious junk if they're still using it over 35 years later, eh?

Mazda used Ford's engine, you amazingly uninformed douche.

The 4.0 is a Mazda design, dumbfuck.


Even after I made mention of the legendary reliability of the FORD 2.3 that they've built for decades now... fucking priceless.

You know, I almost want this thread to continue on-the utter stupidity on display is enough to make KC tard jealous with envy.

Werd.

[smackaholic]

dins, you questioning RJ? maybe you guys don't need a room after all.

I am with you on this one. There have been quite a few good american 4 bangers....and sixes and eights, of course. The american issues I have are generally not with the engines. Once everybody got the FI thing right, most engines run pretty well. Its all the stupid little things that just seem to work better on the slope rigs.

A good example was the escort my inlaws bought my worthless broinlaw. It was a late eighties model, I think. It started, ran and shifted just fine, BUT, it just felt like shit. The steering, the suspension, the brakes. You name it. The fukking thing was reliable. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it cross country, but, it just wouldn't be a very enjoyable trip. The japs on the other hand are just better at making all this shit work together.

As I said earlier, the gap is narrowing and I hope will dissapear altogether before the domestic industry is dead and buried.

[RevLimiter]

Sounds like an insanely kick ass ride, although with that amount of power i'd have to throw 4.11's in that bitch.....i'd imagine the launch with that setup would have your neck hurting something fierce if you werent ready for it.

Oh, it draws a crowd everywhere it goes.


It launches just fine with the 3.55 set. How much farther you want the uni to twist? 3.55 is pretty deep for a street big block.

This JUST in folks....EVERY Chevrolet Chevelle EVER made has a full frame. They've NEVER had a unibody. I should know, because I've owned the aforementioned 1970 Chevelle SS454 LS6. It was a rare stripe-delete with weird options like power windows and locks but NO A/C, Turbo 400 automatic but with FACTORY 4:10 gears and PosiTraction. That motherfucker would straight up haul ass and obliterate anything that dared challenge it. I sold it in 1989 after I turned 20 for $7500...needless to say it KILLS me to this day of what that bitch is worth now, which is AT LEAST adding a "zero" to the amount I sold it for.

Oh, and if you don't believe I had one, here it is:

Another buddy (who moved to Dallas or thereabouts not too long ago) has a 70 Camaro RS. But it isn't restored, and has the modernization thing (hasn't gone to digital injection yet, though). Is still flying the original LT-1. And it's got the factory 4.11's/4spd. I think he was getting it into the low/mid 13's on a really hot day with slicks (whatever the correction factor is for Woodburn OR on a crazy hot day). With the 4.11 set, first gear isn't a really time-comsuming deal.


Recently had it appraised at $37K, or something like that.

I LOVE the 1970-73 Z28s.....particularly the ones with the split-bumper RS package.



I don't care what ANYBODY says, that's a sexy bitch right there.

[smackaholic]

those early 70s camaros were sweet.....till big brother came up with ugly ass errrrr 5 mph bumpers.

here's one of the turbo minivan clips. dude pulls that new z-28 like nuthin' I'll bet the tires on the camaro cost more than the minivan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6-CADcY4KU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RevLimiter]

Cockaholic, have you ever owned a car that wasnt a laughable pile of shit?

I wouldnt fucking wish any of those shit sleds upon my worst enemy.



...and this just in-American 4 bangers, until recently, were garbage for the most part. But if you were stupid enough to buy one, you got what you deserved. Show me the American V8 owners, and i'll show you a group that has infinite on any car the feline fryers assemble.

RACK the FUCK outta James.

I've owned two non-V8 cars in my life, and I fucking HATED one of them and loved the other.

The 1st one (and yes I still to this day can't believe I bought one of these POS brand new):



The 2nd one I wished I still had:



Coolest car EVER....V6 fuel economy (like I give a FUCK about fuel economy) and big-block V8 power when the boost came on.

[smackaholic]

Coolest car EVER....V6 fuel economy (like I give a FUCK about fuel economy) and big-block V8 power when the boost came on.

One of the coolest motors ever. To bad it was caged in a pos g body, or whatever the fukk letter the 80s gm 2 doors were. To bad they never put that engine in a chasis that deserved it.

[Raydah James]

Oh, and if you don't believe I had one, here it is:

Beautiful. Baby Bro's is the same exact color, only with the black racing stripes on it.

And yes, All the Mopar muscle cars, mustangs and some GM muscle cars were unibody's

I don't care what ANYBODY says, that's a sexy bitch right there.

[/quote][/quote]

I agree. Very nice, indeed.

That said, I fucking love the 67-69 GM Camaro's more than any other musclecar (except for the 'Vette, which can be argued all day as to whether its a "musclecar" or not-I'm content with it being "Americas Sportscar")......pure fucking body perfection. I'm currently even toying with the idea of throwing an LS1/LS2 drivetrain into a 67-69 F-Body. The swap would be a fucking cinch.

Time is the bitch on that potential project.


Suddenly Saki is cracking me the fuck up....still.

[Raydah James]

The 2nd one I wished I still had:



Coolest car EVER....V6 fuel economy (like I give a FUCK about fuel economy) and big-block V8 power when the boost came on.

Grand National?

Awesome fucking car.


Shit, the GNX would still smoke the shit out 60% of the cars on the road today.....that is, if the ceramic turbine wheel didnt shatter on you. :wink:

Seriously though-that was an epic ride.

[RevLimiter]

That said, I fucking love the 67-69 GM Camaro's more than any other musclecar (except for the 'Vette, which can be argued all day as to whether its a "musclecar" or not-I'm content with it being "Americas Sportscar")......pure fucking body perfection. I'm currently even toying with the idea of throwing an LS1/LS2 drivetrain into a 67-69 F-Body. The swap would be a fucking cinch.

Time is the bitch on that potential project.

Funny you mention that James....I'm about to MAYBE buy a 1969 Firebird that IF I end up with it will definitely be getting a LS2/6spd swap done on it. A buddy of mine has them out of a 2005 GTO and he's making me a HELLUVA deal on them. IF I do it I'm going to do a 1969 Trans Am clone:



Compared to what a real one costs now a clone would be the ONLY way I could ever have one.

[Raydah James]

Funny you mention that James....I'm about to MAYBE buy a 1969 Firebird that IF I end up with it will definitely be getting a LS2/6spd swap done on it. A buddy of mine has them out of a 2005 GTO and he's making me a HELLUVA deal on them. IF I do it I'm going to do a 1969 Trans Am clone:



Compared to what a real one costs now a clone would be the ONLY way I could ever have one.

If you've got the time, $$$, and desire, you should do it without thinking twice. Dont you have kids? Get them involved in it, too-I cant tell you how priceless that type of shit was growing up for me and my bro's.


Then post the pics of that bad motherfucker on here, and watch as the jurassic park masses in this bitch cry themselves to fucking sleep knowing they have to tool around in thier sweet minivans, corollas, civics, and whatever other pathetic shitboxes thier miserable selves are relegated to due thier bitchy cunt wives pwning them on a daily basis.

:D

[OCmike]

Engine replacements at 30K are, or at least were, a legal mandate in Japan.

Link? That's an urban legend, dumbfuck.

Yup, the mechanic scored, alright.

Man, here I was, like 7 pages deep into lectures about how superior Japanese cars were to their American counterpatrs. Yet I've never, ever heard of an American car needing a valve job at 30K.

KYO, and everyone else's A, much?

Maybe so, but at 19, I didn't know ja..ck shit about cars. I had gearhead friends, but it didn't really interest me much at that age. In fact, the only reason I know anything at all about combustion engines is that I had six months to kill on a Persian Gulf cruise while in the Navy and started grabbing and reading tech manuals, one of which was on the operation and maintenance of internal combustion engines. Don't ask me what it was doing in an aircraft carrier engine room...I have no idea either.

Anywho, all I knew at the time was that I scored a sports car in prime condition for $1200, and it chewed up asphalt for five years.

And since it was a GT-S with the sport package, it was basically a Supra without the turbo charger.

I suppose that's true, if you take some really really really extreme liberties with the word "basically."

Supras are 6-bangers.

Wow, I had no idea that a Supra had a different engine in it until you mentioned it. Good thing you're here to keep every last detail straight, Clavensdale. You also forgot to remind me that Supras usually came with a rear spoiler back then, as opposed to the louvers on a GT-S. Anything else I forget? :rollem:

A 22R is a 4-banger truck engine (also utilized in Celicas).

REALLY? Wow, I had no idea that's what the 22R on my Celica engine and my old man's pick 'em up truck engine meant until you told me just now. Feel free to stop acting like a Toyota oracle anytime, dipshit. No one's climbing the mountain to ask you any questions.

BUT...the valve covers leaked like a freaking sieve. The first time I discovered this was when my alternator went out. I popped open the hood, looked at the coils and they were freaking black with oil.

Fucking DYING over here.

I'd settle for fucking SILENT over there, but if you want to pop a handful of Ambien and get found by your massuese, I won't stop you.

Listening to car-talk from people who think the coil-bone's connected to the alternator-bone.

The word you're looking for is "stator."

Fair enough. I wasn't aware there was going to be a vocabulary quiz though.

The only problem with the Celica back then was that it had a 70-30 front to back weight ratio. That's no problem if you've got Mrs. Rumplewife sitting in the backseat, but on a rear-wheel drive car, that kind of weight ratio is dangerous as fuck any time it rains. Every damn time I drove in a steady rain I was in danger of hydroplaning.

Yeah, I'm sure that had everything to do with the car, and nothing to do with the SoCals' legendary lack of bad-weather driving skills.

Nice try. I'm from NoCal. I just lived in SoCal for a few years. I've driven in rain, ice, snow w/ and w/o chains, etc, etc.

Anyway, I'd love to hear you explain how a rear-wheel drive vehicle with a 70-30 weight ratio that hydroplanes while the driver is going in a straight line at 60 MPH has to do with the method the vehicle is operated.

I'll wait right here. ----->___

I mean up here in the Wet Parts, every time there's a drop, there's Celicas lining the ditches. OK, Celicas with license plate frames from SoCal dealerships.

Well, if you said that every time there's a drop in that rainforest you call a state, another person puts a gun in their mouth and blows out the back of their grape because they can't stand one more miserable day in that shithole, then I'd believe you.

This thread keeps getting funnier.

...Especially when you spout of (again...sigh) about shit you know nothing about or when you state the obvious and act like you're reading a decree from God.

Anyway, Clavensdale, when are you going to show us your slides from your trip to Florida?

[Dinsdale]

Grand National?

Awesome fucking car.

The regular T-Type Regal had the same engine option. Grandpa's sleeper, if ever there was one. Or as we used to say in the 80's, "Beware the Buick with the bulging hood."


I think the GNX pulled like a 12.2 off the showroom floor, if I remember right.

Quite a few years back, I saw an absolutely amzing deal on one, but couldn't come up with the scratch... don't even remember what the price was. I think they only made 500 of them.


An F-body swap with a modern powertrain is the way to go. Helped a buddy put together a nasty 400 for his a few years back, but 400's were a dime-a-dozen then, and a Pontiac-nut friend had a nice set of RAM 2 heads (he worked in an engine shop at the time, and was the head-rebuilding dude, so not too tough... his ride was a 66 Goat convertable, with the factory AC... I challenge you to find another... sidenote -- I even worked on Kevin Duckworth's 66 GTO convertable, which was amazing. He yanked the original 389 Tri-Power himself and shelved it for another day, and replaced it with a screaming 455 for daily driving... if it was sunny, since his head didn't quite fit with the top up... he had a 72 Chevelle hot-rod for rainy days... Kevin is a big musclecar guy, RACK him).

The 62-69 F-Bodies are the shizzy... and unibodies. As Paul correctly pointed out, the Chevelles were full-framed (my bad), the F-Bodies had the little stretch of uni between the clips... about a foot of it.


And yeah -- I haven't even seen a 69 Trans-Am for sale in eons. Or a DZ.

[RevLimiter]

If you've got the time, $$$, and desire, you should do it without thinking twice. Dont you have kids? Get them involved in it, too-I cant tell you how priceless that type of shit was growing up for me and my bro's.

Yes, my son is now 8 and he LOVES riding in my "racecars" (his words, not mine LOL), particularly the Mustang. In fact, I bought him a Junior Dragster to start racing in this spring, but he doesn't know it yet. His birthday in March can't come soon enough when I open the garage door to spring that bad boy on him. :D

I've worked on cars since I can remember- my dad was a VERY successful Midwestern drag racer in the 80s and early 90s, and learned almost everything I know about how to set them up from him, although now that I race a car with EFI he just looks at it and says he has NO CLUE how to even begin to work on that stuff. Old coot....

Then post the pics of that bad motherfucker on here, and watch as the jurassic park masses in this bitch cry themselves to fucking sleep knowing they have to tool around in thier sweet minivans, corollas, civics, and whatever other pathetic shitboxes thier miserable selves are relegated to due thier bitchy cunt wives pwning them on a daily basis.

:D

You bet yet ass I will....I was just on Year One's site and they sell ALL the replica 1969 Trans Am spoilers and hood, so I might just end up with this car after all.

[Dinsdale]

"A 4-banger Celica (that does zero-to-60 in 10+ seconds, yet 'eats pavement') is basically the same as a 6-banger Supra, except for the turbocharger they never offered in 1983."

"BTW-you don't know what you're talking about."


Yup -- just keeps getting better.

[RevLimiter]

Grand National?

Awesome fucking car.

The regular T-Type Regal had the same engine option. Grandpa's sleeper, if ever there was one. Or as we used to say in the 80's, "Beware the Buick with the bulging hood."

True- a friend of mine still has his 1987 Regal Limited with the 3.8 V6 Turbo he bought brand new in Nov. 1986....other than the turbine wheels it DOES looks like something a senior citizen would drive. LOL

I think the GNX pulled like a 12.2 off the showroom floor, if I remember right.

Quite a few years back, I saw an absolutely amzing deal on one, but couldn't come up with the scratch... don't even remember what the price was. I think they only made 500 of them.

547 to be exact....one with 22K original miles sold at a local auction about a month ago for $56K. That fucker still SMELLED brand new inside.

An F-body swap with a modern powertrain is the way to go. Helped a buddy put together a nasty 400 for his a few years back, but 400's were a dime-a-dozen then, and a Pontiac-nut friend had a nice set of RAM 2 heads (he worked in an engine shop at the time, and was the head-rebuilding dude, so not too tough... his ride was a 66 Goat convertable, with the factory AC... I challenge you to find another... sidenote -- I even worked on Kevin Duckworth's 66 GTO convertable, which was amazing. He yanked the original 389 Tri-Power himself and shelved it for another day, and replaced it with a screaming 455 for daily driving... if it was sunny, since his head didn't quite fit with the top up... he had a 72 Chevelle hot-rod for rainy days... Kevin is a big musclecar guy, RACK him).

The 62-69 F-Bodies are the shizzy... and unibodies. As Paul correctly pointed out, the Chevelles were full-framed (my bad), the F-Bodies had the little stretch of uni between the clips... about a foot of it.


And yeah -- I haven't even seen a 69 Trans-Am for sale in eons. Or a DZ.

I LOVE old school Pontiac engines, but they take a LOT of $$$ to make serious power from them, and the LS2/6spd combo will give me 400hp at the rear tires at the drop of the hammer with an almost glass-smooth idle and excellent drivability. The LS2 in my GTO is the best engine I've EVER had in any car, period.

[OCmike]

"A 4-banger Celica (that does zero-to-60 in 10+ seconds, yet 'eats pavement')

I didn't say "eats pavement", I said "chews up pavement", which to me = racks up a shitload of miles. Lemme know where I implied in any way that it was some sort of muscle car.

Again, I'll be waiting over here ------>_____ (Pssst...same place I'll be waiting for you to produce a link to that Jap urban legend you fell for hook line and sinker )

...is basically the same as a 6-banger Supra, except for the turbocharger they never offered in 1983."

Normally I'm the last one to post an "in your dome" reference, but if you're looking up the year that they began offering the turbocharger on the Supra...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Back away from Google, loser.

Once again...

Feel free to stop acting like a Toyota oracle anytime, dipshit. No one's climbing the mountain to ask you any questions.

"BTW-you don't know what you're talking about."

You, and others in this thread, have clearly forgotten more about cars in general than I, and many others, will ever know. That, however, does not make you an authority on all things automotive and all things Toyota, as you seem to believe, and proven by the fact that you had to google (BWA!) to see when they started offering the Turbocharged Supra. Nice job KYOA.

[Dodge everything else in my post]Yup -- just keeps getting better.[/Dodge]

[smackaholic]

Perhaps you missed the part, sam, about me being a cheap fukk. If I drop the 8-10 grand for a 5 year old accord, my daughter ain't driving it! Let her wad my 800 dollar 91 accord. Much cheaper than an 02.

[RevLimiter]

Dins also seems to think Mazda makes the Ranger engines. They build one (as I've already pointed out) ... the 2.3L.

The other engines are not Japanese engines.

The Ranger is built here at American plants.

Mazda badging was on an American vehicle...not the other way around.

'70 Mach I w/351 Cleveland engine. Six-Pack Coronet. GTO Judge. Numerous Z-28s, Firebirds, Chargers, an AMX (ugh!), a GS400 (familiar with that, Dinny?), and a batch of Mustangs other than the Mach I. These are the cars I got to drive in the 70s. Don't think I don't love the old muscle cars. I'd give anything to find that Mach I (except that it had an automatic). Greatest era ever! A friend found his old Firebird a couple years ago...bought it...and is restoring it. Another friend restores Z-28s. Been doing it for years. He doesn't refurbish...he restores 'em to the original condition. I've been around a few American cars is my point. And that's why I , and anyone else with eyeballs, knows the difference in workmanship in American and Jap cars. No, I'm not a mechanic, but my buddies who are doing this work are. They love these cars, too, but don't find it difficult to admit that the quality of the bodywork, etc. is not great on the American machines. And they know damn well that today's cars can't touch Japanese quality.

Dins, where in hell did you get that BS about a valve job at 30K?! You couldn't have posted anything more stupid than that!

So, Dimsdale & Raydumb, continue your pontificating about superior American machinery all you want. Anyone who works in the automotive industry, anyone who's ever comparo tested similar models, anyone who's ever even driven comparable models KNOWS that the Japanese product is better.

Any class, any category of vehicle...check 'em out. Whether it's a magazine test, a test drive of your own, or a long-range, many miles after purchase comparison, the Nipponese model wins. Sure there are good American cars/trucks...I've owned some good ones. But we're talking overall quality of a vehicle...it's build, its performance, its durability, the materials used inside, the engineering. You can't win this argument.

smack, spend a couple dollars more now to save dollars down the road. Buy your daughter a 5-6 year old Accord or Camry. She'll be safe, economical, and trouble-free.

You guys need to get out more on Friday nights. Reading too many American car propaganda sites is bad for your complexion.

I'm just going to bottom-line this from my perspective, Sammy....I don't give a flying FUCK if a flange-face made car is the greatest, most reliable and NEVER BREAKS DOWN car/truck ever made in the history of mankind, I STILL WILL NEVER BUY IT IF I HAD A GUN PUT TO MY HEAD TO DO SO.

I will ALWAYS buy American cars and trucks no matter what. The businesses that I'm involved with are the same way and I have too many friends and acquaintences (sp?) who are hard-working UAW workers that I would NEVER want to have to look them in the eyes if I rolled home in one of those cracker-jack boxes. Sammy, go buy all the fucking Jap cars you want. Knock yourself the fuck out....but I never will. Period. End of story.

[smackaholic]

[....who are hard-working UAW workers .....

link?

....rolled home in one of those cracker-wet-brained fucktard boxes.

can we please lose the really fukking stupid word filter?

paul, thanks for finally coming correct. and you should thank the rest of us america hating treasonous fukkks for forcing detroit to up it's game lately.

[Raydah James]

No, I'm not a mechanic

Wow. Just wow.

Its really in your best interest to shut your fucking cock cozy immediately, Suddenly Saki.

And they know damn well that today's cars can't touch Japanese quality.

Dear christ, you're stupid.


I suppose all the awards that the Mustang, 'Vette, F-series ford trucks, Chevy Malibu, Lincoln MKX, MKZ, Navigator (which were awarded "Interiors of the Year" in their respective categories at the 8th annual Automotive "Interior of the Year" awards conducted by Ward's Auto World magazine) the Towncar, and Cadillac STS/CTS garnered dont count, huh?

Stupid fuck.


I know theres a few more i'm forgetting, but any of you japchowder chuggers need only do one thing-test drive ANY of these afformentioned cars. Is isnt close-the buttery leather and beautiful interiors of all these vehicles absolutely shame anything that the old yeller snackers produce. anything.

Even the Corvette's interior is fucking rediculously epic for how little the car costs (40-42 thousand).....and not only do you get award winning interior with buttery 8 way leather seats that you sink into, you get heads up display (currently the only car in the world with that awesome feature), heated seats, shifter paddles on the steering wheel, and magnetic selective controls that let you switch the suspension from racing to cruising with the nudge of a button. Theres also that 430 hp 425 pds-ft torque engine that will rip shit up unapoligetically.


Hell, I could rave on and on about each and every one of the above cars/trucks........simply put, they have not only "caught up", they have fucking surpassed the sloperigs. You dumbfucks should all do yourselves a favor and test drive a few of the above sleds-it'd certainly go a long way in helping you slits not look like such fucking morons.

[Cuda]

Ranger

Oh, yes... another famous shitbox. Pre-93, post-93, doesn't matter. More than 200-300 lbs in the bed and the rear springs bottomed out. 4WD transfer case innards were always crapping out at the least opportune time- same for trying to get the hubs locked when you really needed to.

[Dinsdale]

you had to google (BWA!) to see when they started offering the Turbocharged Supra.

You dance around in women's panties and smear jello all over your nads.

BWA!!!!


I mean, if we're just flat making shit up in the name of smack and all...


You really just don't get it. I guess since you're a tard, it's understandable.

Dipshit, a person can only spend so many hundreds of hours with their face buried in a Lester Catalog (and yes, I know you don't know what that is... google it) before you get the engine options of the popular vehicles down.

Just working from memory, which may or may not be too solid. I believe the forst year Toyota offered a turbo was 1988, just off the top of my head, although I think they might have had one for a year back in the late 70's. The only year I can think of that the 24R (might have been the 22R that year, it switched somewhere in there) in a turbocharged version was 1988, which was before they offered a V6 in trucks.


I'm not a Toyota guru, so I don't have every little detail of their engine options from 25 years ago, but the common ones weren't too tough. And I can still rattle off Lester #'s from some of the major parts for those rigs.

You really don't get it. You think you know what you're talking about -- I DO know what I'm talking about, so I don't see where we have much to discuss.

[Dinsdale]

I have a '93 sitting in my driveway right now waiting for Springtime weather and the removal of the transfer case and tranny to get at the clutch slave cyl.

Gaygaygay setup. Well, it shares the same setup as a Miata, so "gay" is implied.

They were pretty clever about havibg the slave and the clutch master crap at about the exact same time on those. Replace them both together. And the OEM parts from the dealer are probably about the same price as aftermarket ones, so look into those.


And have fun bleeding that sucker afterwards. Shouldn't take more than a couple of hours of pedal-pumping.


Been there, done that.

[War Wagon]

Cockaholic, have you ever owned a car that wasnt a laughable pile of shit?

Probably the best line in the thread.


My first car when I was 16. A 1967 Chevy Impala Super Sport. Bought it well used in 1978 for $200 off some farmer in Maryville Missouri.



Had a 327 engine with a turbo-hydromatic transmission and posi-trac. It warn't nothing but a rust bucket with a torn to shit interior by the time I got it, but it still hauled ass. Damn, I loved that car.

Once a Chevy guy, always a Chevy guy.

On a sad note, I read the other day that in 2007 Toyota had just barely passed GM in overall world wide sales of vehicles, ending a 76 year run at the top. Let's hope Toyota's stay at the top is a short one. It's been said that what's good for General Motors is good for America, and I firmly believe that.

[smackaholic]

dins, I think the turbo 22re in the pickup, I think they call it the 22rec, was introduced in '86. don't know what a 24r is. the 22r replaced the 20r. 22 has nothing to do with displacement. it is actually 2.4 liters.

I think gm will retain the top spot as their new stuff is pretty damn good. The Z06 vette IS the best sports car for anything south of say half a million or so. And gm trucks seem to be pretty damn nice these days.

Ford? They better get their shit together quick.

mopar? The krauts fukked them up. Lets hope a few years of private american ownership will unfukk them.

[socal]

I think it ran me...

poptart is clutch.

[OCmike]

you had to google (BWA!) to see when they started offering the Turbocharged Supra.

You really just don't get it. I guess since you're a tard, it's understandable.

Yeah, I'm a tard. Isn't this the place where you declare and say that other smack "legends" on the board agree with you without naming any specifically?

Dipshit, a person can only spend so many hundreds of hours with their face buried in a Lester Catalog (and yes, I know you don't know what that is... google it) before you get the engine options of the popular vehicles down.

Right, because you're the only person on the planet who's ever flipped through a Lester catalog for parts... You're just racking up the cool points here...really.

Just working from memory, which may or may not be too solid. I believe the forst year Toyota offered a turbo was 1988, just off the top of my head, although I think they might have had one for a year back in the late 70's. The only year I can think of that the 24R (might have been the 22R that year, it switched somewhere in there) in a turbocharged version was 1988, which was before they offered a V6 in trucks.

In other words, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, don't know when they first started offering turbo on the Supra and googled it. Again, nice job KYOA.

I'm not a Toyota guru...

I know, I've been telling you that for, what, three posts now? You've proven time and again in this thread that you're not a Toyota guru which is why you should shut the fuck up about something you know little about. But we all know that'd be a first, so I won't hold my breath.

...so I don't have every little detail of their engine options from 25 years ago...

But you know what year they started offering turbo on a Supra without looking it up, right? PLEASE, stop?

You really don't get it. You think you know what you're talking about -- I DO know what I'm talking about, so I don't see where we have much to discuss.

Nevermind that you just spent the majority of your post stating that you weren't a Toyota guru and hemmed and hawed about what might or might not be features on their vehicles...you know what you're talking about. Pretty much the only thing you are an expert on is rattling on and on and clicking "submit".

So you've got that going for you...which is nice.

Most definitely a thread if there ever was one.

[Raydah James]

Carpet pieces don't fit. Dash pieces don't fit. Total crap.

Two words:

Dumb. Fuck.




Yeah, that epic interior looks to be falling right the fuck apart....and NONE of those dash pieces fit well at all.




Just admit you've never ridden in one and that you dont know what the fuck you're talking about and i'll stop hammering your chinksack swallowing ass, you senile 102 year old fuck.

[smackaholic]

faiduh,

As I have already said, I'm a big fan of the new vette and have even read in various rags that GM finally got an interior right.....but.... posting a pic of a new interior, probably a pic taken by chevy themselves, proves pretty much j a c k fukking shit.

Show me a pic of that same interior in 10 years. If it has held up near as well as my 17 year old accord's I will be truely impressed. I will also be very fukking happy as it will mean that we still have a domestic auto industry.

We'll see. Argueing long term durability of something that came out last week makes about as much sense as....well... all the other stupid fukking arguement/flame wars on this shithole of a BB.

[KC Scott]

I suppose all the awards that the Mustang, 'Vette, F-series ford trucks, Chevy Malibu, Lincoln MKX, MKZ, Navigator (which were awarded "Interiors of the Year" in their respective categories at the 8th annual Automotive "Interior of the Year" awards conducted by Ward's Auto World magazine) the Towncar, and Cadillac STS/CTS garnered dont count, huh?

BWA!

I went car shopping for the wife last summer - My experience with the above?
I've driven all except Vette & F-150 (which I own) within the last 1-2 years as a rental, somewhere in the US.
I've also driven Malibu's, Impalas, Bonneviles, Grand Prixs, HHR (the worst), H2, 300's, Avenger, Maximas, Accords and Gallant, Forrester, Camry, Avalon and probably a few other that escape memory.

For a well laid out interior, instruments, etc the Avalon was the best of the bunch. It also had the best combination of style, performance and space. The closest 2nd choice was the CTS - not as much room, but would have considered had I not seen what happend to those cars at auction - A loaded '06 w/ 20K miles, sticker of $42K + going for $24-26. Sorry but 40% depreciation year one isn't indicitive of value.
By Comparison, I watched 3 months while Avalons (and this is a Toyota - not Lexus) stickered at $34 selling for $26-28K.

The Kelly Bluebook doesn't lie:
Trade in Value of that same '06 now:

Excellent
$18,500

Good
$17,440

Fair
$15,620

Here's my '06 Avalon


Condition Value

Excellent
$21,325

Good
$20,135

Fair
$18,100

Pretty much ends this discussion

[War Wagon]

When America builds a decent car that holds up for ten years, I'll be the first to buy it. However, I haven't seen it yet, and I don't ever expect to see it.

Self defeatest attitude, much?

"I'll buy an American car in ten years, after they've proven they last that long."

Like I said previously, my 2000 Lumina with 165k is still going strong. I fully expect her to trip the 200k mark in the next two years.

[smackaholic]

wags,

it will still be running, but will all the switches still work? how many trim pieces will come loose? these stupid little things are where the jap still kick our ass.

btw, what do you think you could get for it today? I'd guess that with those miles, you'd do well to get 1000 bucks. maybe a bit more if it's a nice 1 owner. a similar accord will still bring 4-5 grand.

it takes more than "perception" to explain this difference.

[Raydah James]

Pretty much ends this discussion

You're right-it does.


But only because you proved my point thoroughly. So, out of all the rental cars you've driven (which supposedly is my entire list save for the baddest mofo :bigshocker: ), the avalon is the only example you could think of that is better. Nice.

....and this just in: every car loses value unless its old skool/limited muscle or top tier rigs like the 'Vette/Viper/Cobra.


Attempting to bolster your argument with the "value" of a car after a year doesnt mean a fucking thing to me because I drive top of food chain sleds that dont lose value quick. Shit, 5 years later and you could go on ebay and see that folks are still selling the 03/04 30K+ Supercharged Cobras anywhere from $25,000 to $32,000. Crazy. Mine just recently fetched me a small mint as well (much more than I paid for it).

Also, the cost of an Avalon is a joke-the starting price for that Tylenol pill looking Grandma rig is $27,699-and for a fully loaded one reaches $33,995. Laughable. Its amazing that anyone would pay that much for an average looking gramps ride with average engine power yet epic interior. Then again, people are fucking stupid for the most part-so it shocks me not that this car will probably end up in your garage.

[smackaholic]

yeah, very limited production rigs will hold their value simply because they are very low production, or in the case of your cobra, completely discontinued.

We are talking about high production everyday cars with production numbers in the millions. These are the types of rigs normal folks that have to budget for things other than hair gel buy.

In this category, things hold their value for 1 reason and one reason only. They are good fukking cars with a proven track record of remaining good fukking cars well past 10 years and 100K miles.

[socal]

Attempting to bolster your argument with the "value" of a car after a year doesnt mean a fucking thing to me because I drive top of food chain sleds that dont lose value quick. Shit, 5 years later and you could go on ebay and see that folks are still selling the 03/04 30K+ Supercharged Cobras anywhere from $25,000 to $32,000. Crazy. Mine just recently fetched me a small mint as well (much more than I paid for it).

Translated, you found another needle-dicked, manbatter hairgelee to take over payments because your license was suspended again.

Congrats.

[Raydah James]

Yes, I drive the sweet minivan my wife made me buy....but I'll have my damn balls back..I think...when the last fucking kid finally gets the hell out of the house.

We know, American Beauty, we know.


I'll be thinking about you the next time I downshift my Z06 and violently cut off yet another minivan/bmw/mercedes/honda dumbfuck going 57 in the fast lane.