Doom

[Softball Bat]

I have taken many vaccinations in my life.

If people toss out terms like "flat earther" or "anti-vax" it is because they want to halt discussion.

It is bogus high ground.


Geert Vanden Bossche (video I posted) explains the current situation (pg. 32 of this thread).

People should not take the vax.

Once you've taken it you can't untake it, and that is the worst part.


Do your own research and make your own decision.

I've made mine.

[Diego in Seattle]

Do your own research and make your own decision.

I've made mine.

Unless you're living alone & not going out you're also making a decision for others, Typhoid Tart.

[Softball Bat]

Are you advocating mandatory vaccinations?

[Diego in Seattle]

Are you advocating mandatory vaccinations?

Yes.

[Softball Bat]

Who must be vaccinated?

[Screw_Michigan]

Typhoid Tart

[Mikey]

No mandatory vaccinations. But it should be a condition of employment for

Police
Firefighters
All medical workers
Public School Teachers
Military

Also a requirement for being on campus for all college and HS students, teachers and administrators. Also anybody visiting campus must show proof of vaccination.

Do your own research, study the situation, and make your choice.

[Softball Bat]

Something really odd is going on:

In Europe we are seeing surges at many places where most of the population has already been vaccinated.

At the same time, the 15 least vaccinated countries don‘t seem to face any problem.

At some point, denying this problem will get painful...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415 ... 90688.html









This is exactly what Geert explained would happen.

Not only should YOU not put that injection in YOUR system, but a mass vaccination program in the middle of this pandemic is a catastrophically stupid thing to do.

If you've already taken the shots, well...

[Softball Bat]

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) defines a vaccine as a product that stimulates the immune system into producing immunity to a disease, and protects the person from that disease.

Research is ongoing to determine whether the vaccines have an effect on transmission.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2AM0SS




Those taking the injections can still get the virus. They are not immune.
They can still die from it.
They can transmit it.

They are (or soon will be again) instructed to wear masks.


I told you...
Ask her if people who took the injections are not walking petri dishes who are enabling the virus to mutate and evolve.



Watch and see where we are with this 90 days from now.

[Screw_Michigan]

They are indeed vaccines. And they work. They aren't 100% effective, but they're 95% effective, and they keep your ass out of the graveyard and the hospital.

And the world is a sphere. Glad I could clear that up for you.

[Softball Bat]

Your daughter said, "The dumbasses who won't get vaccinated are walking petri dishes who are enabling the virus to mutate and evolve."

I said, "Ask her if the 'dumbasses' who got the injection are not walking petri dishes who are enabling the virus to mutate and evolve."



Get your VACCINE -- and then make sure you still... wear a mask.
lol



Oh well.

See you in 90 days...

[Diego in Seattle]

Pops....

In the last month how many people in the US have died of Covid while fully vaccinated, and how many were unvaccinated?

[Softball Bat]

I would assume many more unvaccinated have died.
It probably is not close.

[Softball Bat]

Israel has engaged in one of the most vigorous vaccine campaigns in the world.


There are now 61 Israelis hospitalized in serious condition.

24 of them are unvaccinated.
37 are fully vaccinated.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/just-one- ... der-60-tv/

[FiatLux]

Israel has engaged in one of the most vigorous vaccine campaigns in the world.


There are now 61 Israelis hospitalized in serious condition.
s://www.timesofisrael.com/just-one-serious- ... der-60-tv/

Poptart. Start telling the truth.


You're starting to sound like a Trumper.

Only one of 61 Israelis hospitalized with COVID in serious condition is a fully vaccinated individual under the age of 60,

No fully vaccinated individuals under age 50 were in serious condition.

You're better than this.

[Softball Bat]

I dispute neither of those two things -- nor do I deny that they are true.


FACT remains, 61 Israelis are currently in serious condition, and 37 of them are fully vaccinated.

Nice "vaccine" being pimped, isn't it?


Vaccinated?

Oh...

Keep wearing your mask.
You can get the virus.
You can get sick as hell from it.
You might die from it.
You can spread it to others.


Good grief!

[Softball Bat]

Israel will not be allowing vaccinated travelers to come into the country.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/cor ... ive-674215




Think about this "vaccine" now.

[Softball Bat]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/do ... s/2430578/

80 fully vaccinated folks have died of Covid in Massachusetts.

Public health officials have tracked 4,450 cases in Mass. where fully vaccinated folks have gotten the virus.

This is the known number.

It stands to reason that the true number of "breakthrough" cases is much higher.




Time to roll out the boosters!

x infinity



Freaking nightmare, man.

[Smackie Chan]

bacteria on Petri dishes need the right conditions to grow

Unvaccinated people are the best conditions

Vaccinated people are like 60-90% bad conditions

It's like trying to grow flowers in dirt (unvaccinated people) versus in sand (vaccinated people)

A lot of things would have to happen for a flower to grow in sand

I understand what is meant by the last line above - for the same event (flowers grow) to occur in different environments, many unusual and unexpected factors would have to be in place concurrently for the "challenged" environment (sand) to yield results similar to those that would be expected from an ideal one (soil), and that the flowers, in this case, are the same in all meaningful respects.

But that's not the only way the sentence can be interpreted, and the answers to questions that spring from a different interpretation can be profound. These, I believe, are what trouble 'tart and his ilk, and they're not completely unreasonable. Again, looking at the sentence:

A lot of things would have to happen for a flower to grow in sand

One of the things that could occur is that the flower (or virus) mutates to develop traits that allow it to survive and perhaps thrive in the new environment. It (the mutant virus) may also develop other traits, such as greater transmissibilty, vaccine resisitance, higher lethality, etc. This new strain(s) could not have developed had the new environment - the vaccinated human body - not been created. The results of such a strain (perhaps several of them) being unleashed on a world in which all the vaccines are useless are unknown, but it's not much of a stretch to imagine lengthy outbreaks of significant numbers with high death tolls given recent history.

That being said, I've been vaccinated. The argument I used above is one that could have been used, and can be used going forward, for any vaccine developed. Yes, there is ALWAYS a potentially catastrophic downside that is unknown until it's too late. The chances of the worst of the downside being realized, historically and statistically, don't justify a decision to not get vaccinated.

Jsc - I'd like your daughter's take if she has time to continue engaging in this nonsense.

SB - Just wondering if I accurately captured any of your concerns, and if not, what they would be in light of the response from Jsc's daughter.

[Softball Bat]

One of the things that could occur is that the flower (or virus) mutates to develop traits that allow it to survive and perhaps thrive in the new environment. It (the mutant virus) may also develop other traits, such as greater transmissibilty, vaccine resisitance, higher lethality, etc. This new strain(s) could not have developed had the new environment - the vaccinated human body - not been created.

This is precisely what Gert (and many others, btw) were saying months ago.

Taking on a strategy of mass immunization in the middle of the pandemic was a fool's errand.
It was never feasible to immunize enough of the people, worldwide, to snuff out the original virus.

Vaccinating folks has accelerated the mutation issue because it has put pressure on the virus to do exactly that,... mutate.

The mutations will keep coming, and what we will see (already seeing) is that the vaccines will ultimately prove not to be effective in stopping the variants.

And this is not even mentioning legitimate concerns about the vaccines themselves.


I honestly do not even like talking about this topic.

It is heartbreaking and honestly very troubling.

Smack and shit talk is nice, but this is actually not a joking matter here.


I wish you all well.

[Softball Bat]

My reply to that is: why hasn't that happened every time we've developed a vaccine

Why have vaccines eradicated multiple diseases over the course of human history

The mutation(s) that would have to happen are extremely rare: that's why vaccines work

Other vaccines have been rolled out after years in the making, not mere months after the appearance of the virus, and while the virus is wreaking havoc in overdrive.

Jmo, but the only people who should have (maybe) received this non-approved "vaccine" are the very elderly and/or physically compromised.

Perhaps in nursing home settings, etc.

[Softball Bat]

Biden

#sad
#stupid
#senile

O_o



Man on the moon...


rotf...

[Slap]

Post her answer.

Ok, here is my text to her and her reply:

People who are not vaccinated are walking petri dishes, and are enabling the virus to mutate and evolve.

Question: are people who are fully vaccinated likewise walking petri dishes?

Yes*

*bacteria on Petri dishes need the right conditions to grow

Unvaccinated people are the best conditions

Vaccinated people are like 60-90% bad conditions

It's like trying to grow flowers in dirt (unvaccinated people) versus in sand (vaccinated people)

A lot of things would have to happen for a flower to grow in sand

I got an erection from reading Jsc810's daughter's contributions.

[Left Seater]

By the time he is running for re-election he will have to avoid all public appearances.

Sad how the mind can fail us before our body does.

[Screw_Michigan]

By the time he is running for re-election he will have to avoid all public appearances.

Sad how the mind can fail us before our body does.

We'll know if Joe is really sleepy if he starts bragging about his performance on a dementia test.

[Left Seater]

I can’t imagine his handlers will allow him to even take one.

[Screw_Michigan]

I can’t imagine his handlers will allow him to even take one.

He doesn't need to take one.

[Left Seater]

Says you. The rest of us know he struggles at times and can’t function well off script.

This is a departure from his time as VP.

[Softball Bat]

Blow is another useless puppet 'tard.

[Screw_Michigan]

Says you. The rest of us know he struggles at times and can’t function well off script.

This is a departure from his time as VP.

Amazing how the standards change between a fascist and a Democratic president. We'll know something's wrong with Biden when he suggests bleach injections or UV light cleanings to protect Americans from Covid-19.

Anyway, no one said you had to like it, just deal with it...

[Smackie Chan]

This is exactly what Geert explained would happen.

Not only should YOU not put that injection in YOUR system, but a mass vaccination program in the middle of this pandemic is a catastrophically stupid thing to do.

So a more prudent course of action would've been to get big pharma to develop COVID vaccines, have them undergo efficacy and safety testing with the same rigor as previous vaccines, but sit on the finished product until the pandemic has naturally run its course and killed millions more? Then, at that point, you'd be happy to get the jab? Am I correctly understanding your position?

[Screw_Michigan]

https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/article/n ... 56bf67fabf

Of 8,747 deaths in Texas, 43 were fully vaccinated.

Are you vaccinated, fat man?

[Screw_Michigan]

So a more prudent course of action would've been to get big pharma to develop COVID vaccines, have them undergo efficacy and safety testing with the same rigor as previous vaccines, but sit on the finished product until the pandemic has naturally run its course and killed millions more? Then, at that point, you'd be happy to get the jab? Am I correctly understanding your position?

Sure sounds like it.

[Softball Bat]

This is exactly what Geert explained would happen.

Not only should YOU not put that injection in YOUR system, but a mass vaccination program in the middle of this pandemic is a catastrophically stupid thing to do.

So a more prudent course of action would've been to get big pharma to develop COVID vaccines, have them undergo efficacy and safety testing with the same rigor as previous vaccines, but sit on the finished product until the pandemic has naturally run its course and killed millions more? Then, at that point, you'd be happy to get the jab? Am I correctly understanding your position?

First, the presence of a problem does not guaranteed the presence of a wonderful solution.


For perspective, the U.S death rate in 1989, 88, 87, 86, 85 (and all the way back to 1950) was higher than the U.S. death rate in 2020.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/U ... death-rate


They have rolled out "vaccines" (non-approved and for emergency use) whose long-term effects are yet to play out.
There are already significant problems with the injections, and people can do their own research on that, if inclined.
See our fliend Eric Clapton, for just one high profile case.

I would not take such a thing.

I might recommend it, as I mentioned, if a person is very old and/or physically compromised, where THIS virus might realistically off them.


I believe (my opinion) that Geert (and others) is right.
Attempting to roll out a mass vax program right as the virus is burning through was foolish or greedy.
The strategy only exacerbated the problem by provoking the virus to mutate more quickly and effectively -----> to kill more folks.
And the vaccines will, imo, ultimately prove to be essentially worthless, as is already occurring.


Now the real pandemic has not even yet begun, imo.

The disastrous variants and the toll the non-approved injections will exact on people down the road will be a true horrah.
I believe many people have damaged their natural immune system with these injections.


Yes, the pandemic was a very bad hand to be dealt.
It needed to burn through, with people take precautions as much as possible -- masks, distancing, etc.

So again, see my first sentence in this post.


Best to you all.

[Smackie Chan]

You coulda just said “yes.”

[Diego in Seattle]

For perspective, the U.S death rate in 1989, 88, 87, 86, 85 (and all the way back to 1950) was higher than the U.S. death rate in 2020.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/U ... death-rate

Traffic deaths in 2019 = 36,835
Traffic deaths in 2020 = 8,870

I doubt that traffic accidents were the only area of decreased deaths during 2020....

[Softball Bat]

My intention is not to downplay Covid.

2020 saw the highest U.S. death rate since 1990 -- and that is not good.

At the same time, if you look at the data you'll see that the U.S. death rate had already been rising every year since 2013.


I expect the death rate to rise considerably over the next 5-10 years.
Maybe longer.

[Screw_Michigan]

Got my 2nd in March, fat faggot.

[Softball Bat]

Israel

There were 2,100 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday and 145 patients in serious condition, the Health Ministry reported.
More than half of the current cases and two-thirds of patients in serious condition were fully vaccinated, the
Health Ministry reported.Health officials and experts are concerned that the protection granted to the most vulnerable
sectors of the population who were vaccinated first has been waning.Israel was preparing to give senior citizens a third
shot if the decision is made, Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz (Meretz) said Monday...

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/cor ... day-675016



2/3 of patient in serious condition were fully vaccinated.
Of course many (or maybe most) of them are elderly, but still... 2/3 of the folks who are in serous condition were supposedly "protected" with the shots.
They are sick as hell with the virus they were told the shots would be protecting them from.

And now they are talking about giving seniors a 3rd shot.


I'm a little bit old skool, yes, but I believe selling people on a 3rd usually works better when the first two have been -----> money! :idea:

Oops.

[Softball Bat]

M. Rapaport (vaccinated) with some choice words for A. Fauci.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1420529220489555968




Werd.