Trump's GOP--the party of fiscal responsibility

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Trump's GOP--the party of fiscal responsibility

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With Trump's reelection campaign we can bury any premise of the GOP being fiscally responsible. That's only for when Democrats are in the White House.

Duhron won't give a shit either. Nothing another round of tax cuts can't fix!

U.S. Debt Is Set to Exceed Size of the Economy Next Year, a First Since World War II

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WASHINGTON—U.S. debt has reached its highest level compared to the size of the economy since World War II and is projected to exceed it next year, the result of a giant fiscal response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday that federal debt held by the public is projected to reach or exceed 100% of U.S. gross domestic product, the broadest measure of U.S. economic output, in the fiscal year that begins on Oct. 1. That would put the U.S. in the company of a handful of nations with debt loads that exceed their economies, including Japan, Italy and Greece.

This year the ratio is expected to be 98%, also the highest since World War II.

The surge in borrowing so far isn’t creating angst among investors or hampering the U.S.’s ability to borrow more. Investors have gobbled up U.S. Treasury assets, drawn to their relative safety. Moreover, interest rates are expected to remain low, suggesting the government still has plenty of room to borrow.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury fell Wednesday to 0.643%, from 0.672%, in line with a broader rally in financial markets. Bond yields fall as prices rise.

The U.S. passed the 100% debt-to-GDP mark, measured on a quarterly basis, in the April to June quarter, when government spending surged to combat the new coronavirus and tax revenue plunged. But this would be the first time in more than 70 years for it to do so for the federal government’s full fiscal year.

The last time the U.S. debt level exceeded economic output was in 1946, when it stood at 106% after years of financing military operations to help end World War II.

Policy makers have compared the fight against the coronavirus to a military war effort, and approved roughly $2.7 trillion in spending since March for testing and vaccine research, aid for hospitals and economic relief for businesses, households and state and local governments. Federal revenue fell 10% from April through July, compared with a year earlier, as fears of the virus and widespread business shutdowns brought economic activity to a standstill, and firms laid off millions of workers.

The combination of those factors sent the federal deficit soaring and caused government debt as a share of economic output to jump.

By the end of June, total debt had swelled to $20.5 trillion from $17.7 trillion at the end of March, a 16% increase over just three months, according to Treasury Department data. Meanwhile, the economy shrank 9.5% in the second quarter, bringing debt as a share of GDP to 105.5%, compared with 82% in the first quarter.

“It was a massive rise in borrowing and quite shocking, but incredibly effective,” said former CBO chief economist Wendy Edelberg, who in June became director of the Hamilton Project, a think tank affiliated with the Brookings Institution. “On the flip side, this is exactly why we, as a country, want to have room to increase borrowing during times of emergency.”
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When a Democrat takes back the White House, these Trump sycophantic congress critters will magically turn into fiscal conservatives overnight, only to morph yet again once they get their power back.
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FiatLux wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:35 am When a Democrat takes back the White House, these Trump sycophantic congress critters will magically turn into fiscal conservatives overnight, only to morph yet again once they get their power back.
Hypocrites of the highest order. And Duhron will be there to greet them, mouth agape.
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Derron wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:07 pm
You are truly one of the worst pieces of shit to ever post on this board. Start giving up your paycheck for reparations now and then you can shut the fuck up about your racist blasts.
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I would dispute both your inane ramblings and manifestations of your advanced TDS, but that might interrupt this little suck fest that you two morons have going on between you, so carry on. The rest of us will tune out now.
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If you think $27 Trillion debt is bad.....


AOC wants $93 Trillion for the Green New Deal, Free Education, Free Everything, Repariations etc..etc...


When asked how she plans to pay for it, she said "the same way we pay for everything else".



People don't understand the meaning of "Trillion" so I like to explain it this way.


It would take two years to count to a "billion"
It would take two thousand years to count to a "trillion".

So...if you watched Jesus get nailed to a cross and you started counting.....you would still be counting today!


And that's only to get to ONE TRILLION....To get to 93 Trillion you have to start before the dinosaurs!
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The Big Pickle wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:02 pm If you think $27 Trillion debt is bad.....


AOC wants $93 Trillion for the Green New Deal, Free Education, Free Everything, Repariations etc..etc...


When asked how she plans to pay for it, she said "the same way we pay for everything else."
The only reason UBI doesn't exist is the petty war between whites and slave descendant blacks. If this country had not a single descendant of slaves, that money would have been distributed decades ago. Prove me wrong.

Stop giving money to Israel and illegals.

There is missing money. Trillions of it. Where did it go? Because certain forces are willing to kill the children of editors to keep that answer secret.

If she wants an accounting, I support her. If she just wants to get on the political gravytrain, fuck her.
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Innocent Bystander wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:10 pm
The Big Pickle wrote: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:02 pm If you think $27 Trillion debt is bad.....


AOC wants $93 Trillion for the Green New Deal, Free Education, Free Everything, Repariations etc..etc...


When asked how she plans to pay for it, she said "the same way we pay for everything else."
The only reason UBI doesn't exist is the petty war between whites and slave descendant blacks. If this country had not a single descendant of slaves, that money would have been distributed decades ago. Prove me wrong.

Stop giving money to Israel and illegals.

There is missing money. Trillions of it. Where did it go? Because certain forces are willing to kill the children of editors to keep that answer secret.

If she wants an accounting, I support her. If she just wants to get on the political gravytrain, fuck her.
How is UBI any different than the Permanent Fund, well other than costing a shit ton more? And look at what AK has done in the last few years with the fund. Rather than pay out what it should under the guidelines, they have vetoed or legislatively shorted the payments.
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Hi, LS. The Alaskan PF is a like a dividend check generated by oil revenue, given directly to citizens. (This is in direct contrast with Texas' Permanent Funds set up, which is a dividend check given to Texan schools and universities, but not directly to parents or students attending them.)

If that's UBI, then every indigenous entity in the US and Canada is practicing UBI. Why single out the Alaskan PF, but ignore the existence of the payments tribes get to distribute to their members from natural resource royalties or casino profits?

In regards to payout, I think the viability of the fund comes first. From your readings, what did you glean of Alaskan complaints?
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I know how both funds work. The AK payment is direct cash to residents. The Texas fund supports higher education and is the reason a college education at State Schools is so affordable.

It is my understanding that the Governor vetoed the expected pay out a few years ago as it was thought to be too large. Then for a few years the legislature artificially lowered the payment as they thought it was too large. Never mind that the payment is set by a formula so as to keep the fund viable for future generations.

Why did AK politicians want to keep the payments so low? How is handing out cash helping the population? AK has in the past led the nation (per capita) on welfare roles. The PF isn’t changing that. What makes you think UBI would change those numbers? How would UBI help the substance abuse rates? How would a UBI put people to work? How much would a UBI cost just for AK when the PF has north of $55 Billion supporting it?
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It works just fine, quit trying to act all stupid, unless you actually are. You just don’t like it because you are a klepto.
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