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Van

Stop assuming bad faith, Van. You're much better debater than that. leave that to the dipshits in here that'll turn your arguments inside out only then to divert from the issue altogether. Maybe I have low standards. Maybe I haven't see Bush all that much to warrant the characterization I have of h...

Van

I just know you've been on these boards as long as anyone else back to SCIII days and this is the first I've seen of you in the CFB forums we've had over the years. So, either you're JCL or I just haven't noticed you. Either way, as homer as your opinions are, you'll fit right in around here. I los...

Van

They keep winning miracle comeback games against (seemingly) vastly inferior opponents. Because Oklahoma has proven to be utter dogshit this season UCLA really has no wins over any really good teams. Just to point out something: Oklahoma's three losses are to teams with a combined 24-1 record. Each...

Van

Nonetheless, Texas's performance in bringing themselves back from a heavy first half deficit caused by the inept play of their own QB wasn't the least bit remarkable, considering the Alpo quality of their bedraggled opponent. And that's what people are going to remember: That Texas was getting it h...

Van

Think Leinart won't still be able to execute smart decisions along the way to throwing for 300 and three TDs against Texas, Va Tech or anybody else come Rose Bowl time? Of course he will. Think Young is going to run unmolested and throw at will to endlessly wide open receivers against Va Tech or US...

Van

This year, Reggie Bush is much more than a "viable candidate" and he's come up very big in SC's biggest games this year. Which games were those? At Notre Dame, at a highly ranked and undefeated Oregon and at a highly ranked and insanely fired up ASU team that'd just put up 570 yards again...

Van

Let's see how good Leinart would be without Bush, White and whoever is the #3 RB at USC. Take away his starting left tackle too. Let's see him put 500 yards of offense. Wouldn't happen. Van is such a hater. He only sees things athat happen in So Cal. When you see the burnt orange up close on the 4t...

Van

I agree with Killian... Mgo, the reason I say Bush "has to win" (barring the unforeseen against Cal and UCLA) is based on my knowledge of the history of the award and the politics that go into selecting the winner. Historically, the DAC doesn't like to give the award to the same guy twice,...

Van

'95 Nebraska

Van

Mgo wrote:I am not alongside a Van here in believing Heisman Trophy day will be a sham if Bush does not win.

I never said any such thing and I don't believe it'll be any more of a sham than it always is, regardless of who wins it.

It's a nearly meaningless award, no matter who gets it.

Van

Faster, and a better runner than Michael Vick? You're on crack. Besides, the QB position in the NFL is primarily a throwing/decision making position, at least if your team hopes to have any late season success. Vince Young is not and probably never will be an NFL caliber thrower/decision maker and t...

Van

True. Bad analogy.

K State is nothing like Georgia. K State has scheduled the occasional game outside of their immediate vicinity during our lifetime.

Van

When the point is simply projected performance the discussion is definitely not one of absolutes but it's also not laughable. While Bush is very frequently being compared to LT nobody's comparing VY to Joe Montana or even Steve Young, is the point. It's all "a reach" when one bad twist of ...

Van

T REX wrote:Also, on a more serious note, Leinert and Bush will split many votes making it difficult on both.

No doubt about that.

Van

He's already being compared to LaDanian Tomlinson as a bonafide NFL star. He's a sure thing! sin, blair thomas, curtis enis, ki-jana carter,lawrence phillips, rasaan salaam, sammie smith Point taken but none of those guys had Bush's style. Most of those failed NFL guys were straight ahead backs who...

Van

DrDetroit wrote:So, Van, we are in agreement, then...Bush is no longer the Heisman candidate. At least Leinart is ahead of him in that candidacy?

Not at all. The Heisman is Bush's to lose.

You have to be realistic and factor in Heisman Politics, and this season those politics all point to Reggie Bush.

Van

DrD, Total Yards and Yards Per Touch are not matters of conjecture.

Going into this week Reggie Bush was leading the nation in Total Yards, which is the ultimate measure of offensive performance.

He's also scored more than a few TDs, some of which were, errr, rather spectacular, wouldn't you say?

Van

Vince will be a first round draft pick. He will play QB in the NFL. Would you bet your house on it? Also, when you say he'll play QB in the NFL, okay, how well, and for how long? Assuming he gets drafted well he'll hopefully get to carry a clipboard for a year or two so that'll extend his NFL shelf...

Van

So conjecture and speculation have replaced actual performances in determining the Heisman? Actual performance on the field? Would Total Yards and Yards Per Touch be legitimate measures of actual performance? I think they would... Reggie has the stats too, but like Mgo was saying, just use your eye...

Van

Van you moron why don't you do a little research on what NFL scouts think of VY before opening your dick hole and spouting this stupid crap. Right now Vince is considered the 3rd best player in the game and if he were to come out this year he would be a top 5 pick. Just because he is not a traditio...

Van

Dr D wrote:It was that his performances changed the way the games were played. Is Bush like that?

Okay, have you even watched Bush this year???

Seriously. Dude has completely changed games and he's occupying more defensive/special teams schemes than even Leinart...

Van

Yeah, well I am sick of the bullshit thinking that says the presumptive NFL pick should get the Heisman nod. That almost NEVER fucking happens, so why are you sick of it? The exact opposite is true. The fact that the Heisman winner will likely never even get a sniff in the NFL because he was merely...

Van

From a stat geek's perspective (not calling anyone here that), Young will be a much more delicious pick than Bush, by the end of the season I'm sure. Bush's numbers are there for sure, but Young has a much greater opportunity to put up gaudier numbers considering Texas relies on him to be not only ...

Van

Bush (and Leinart) both still have the Cal game and the nationally televised game against UCLA (two undefeateds ~potentially~ for all the marbles) to go... If Bush explodes again against UCLA it's over. As for Young, I know the Heisman is for excellence as a college player (obviously) but I'm just s...

Van

Oh, you mean Heritage Hall's foyer.

Gotcha.

Van

Meyer has turned Chris Leak into a DAC cocktail waiter.

I laughed. A lot.

I don't even know what the "DAC" stands for, but man I laughed anyway.

Van

:bloorf:

Van

What Bush did on that punt return obviates any and all comparisons.

Van

Ivey league schools

The glorious irony...

Van

It's true. SCT uses this over-belabored factoid to try to build WAY too many straw houses for his arguments, but it's true. Well, if that's true, it is fairly difficult to take Georgia seriously. I've always felt that a lot of SEC teams have pathetic OOC schedules ("But look at our conference ...

Van

The problem with the current system and "every game mattering" is you wind up with cowards who like Georgia who are affraid to play a real OOC schedule that inclides these crazy little lthings like travel and hotel rooms, its been 40 years since the Bulldogs last left the south to play a ...

Van

No arguing with Mgo's points but Prime is such a fucking likeable guy and he's taking this so well and with such humor that goddammit, I wanna see him get some satisfaction here... Then again he's funnier when his team loses, especially if they lose in horrific ways, so maybe we should just keep hop...

Van

Mr T wrote:
Van wrote: As for the Florida schools, who did Florida State and Miami open up with this season?
Each other

My point exactly.

Not exactly Wofford, or Appalachian State.

Van

Yeah, I know that, but which team is "Fredo" and how'd they get that nic here?

Or, is "Fredo" this board's nic for Texas, as their sneering homage to you?

Van

Ohio State will likely run the table Quite possible but by no means likely. They could lose any game they play and they still have Michigan to go, and that's always a toss up. Basically, whichever team is doing better going into that game...pick the other team to win. As often as not that's how tho...

Van

If VaTech runs the table, they'll meet either Fredo or Florida State

Goddammit, who in the hell is "Fredo" (I assume it's Miami...) and how did they get that nic here??

Man, I HATE being out of the loop.

Van

Harvdog and Moorese, you both know as well as I do that it's every bit a matter of when you beat a team as much as who you beat... I was simply pointing out that in detailing Texas' conference accomplishments to date you omitted their defeat of CU, a quality opponent, which along with the win over ...

Van

I'm just waiting for Gator Fan or Bulldog Fan to play the "pot/kettle" card by reminding Nolesy here that Tallahassee isn't exactly Palo Alto or Brentwood either... :lol: They do play the pot/kettle game. Its called act like ma and pa kettle though. Van I don't know where you reside but I...

Van

I'm just waiting for Gator Fan or Bulldog Fan to play the "pot/kettle" card by reminding Nolesy here that Tallahassee isn't exactly Palo Alto or Brentwood either...

Van

Every snap was critical. Any mistake could kill either team.

Obviously not, since mistakes were made virtually every time either "offense" attempted a play.

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