Racism & election interference

[Mikey]

Waaahhhh!

Nice work articulating a response to the point made by 88...though I do understand the challenge.....Just in case you Biden'd the question:

If the government issued a free ID card to every citizen and then required it to be presented in order to vote, would that be racist?

I generally don’t respond to stupid questions. What’s your excuse? I notice that your only response was “and Mikey too.”

[Softball Bat]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

[Mikey]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

^^^
This.

And on top of that, you can be sure that anytime a Republican loses an election, they would jump to blame it on the corrupt voter ID system. Anything to avoid acknowledging that you might really have lost.

[smackaholic]

It is impossible to come up with a legitimate reason to NOT have to provide ID to vote.

No it's not.

Requiring citizens to obtain documents that cost money in order to vote is in effect, a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Glad I could help you out.

Wrong.

Bills have been proposed that cover the cost for these fictional characters who don’t possess suitable ID already.

But you fukkers have your business model. Mass mail in voting which has absolutely no way of validating and pretty near no way of catching fraud.

A simple look at the results last time around have one viable explanation.

Mass vote harvesting.

It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

Rack you fukkers for gaming the system.

The trouble is this laughing g stock of an electoral system will eventually end in no electoral system.

This should worry you.


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[Softball Bat]

It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

False.

The explanation is that people witnessed 4 years of a sociopath in the oval office.
Then they saw the child's completely unhinged act in the first presidential debate, and they voted in large numbers to make sure such a nightmare would be put to bed.

Dump lost.

The end.




#tears

[Mikey]

It is impossible to come up with a legitimate reason to NOT have to provide ID to vote.

No it's not.

Requiring citizens to obtain documents that cost money in order to vote is in effect, a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional.

Glad I could help you out.

Wrong.

Bills have been proposed that cover the cost for these fictional characters who don’t possess suitable ID already.

But you fukkers have your business model. Mass mail in voting which has absolutely no way of validating and pretty near no way of catching fraud.

A simple look at the results last time around have one viable explanation.

Mass vote harvesting.

It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

Rack you fukkers for gaming the system.

The trouble is this laughing g stock of an electoral system will eventually end in no electoral system.

This should worry you.


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Your fever dreams are getting worse and worse. Please seek medical help.

[Screw_Michigan]

How come Dump isn't crowing about VOTER FRAUD from Super Tuesday? I wonder why?

Fuck every single one of you piles of human waste that vote for a fellow pile of human excrement.

[Diego in Seattle]

If the government issued a free ID card to every citizen and then required it to be presented in order to vote, would that be racist?

Depends on whether the place to obtain said free ID card is w/in a reasonable distance for those w/o their own vehicle or DL. If it's an all-day trip on multiple buses to get that card it's probably going to be viewed as racist if those areas w/o a nearby DMV that are populated mostly by minorities. Although you probably never referred to it in your legal career you might want to re-familiarize yourself with the 14th Amendment. And that goes double for you morons arguing whether voting is a right or not.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

1) ID's have pictures of the person being ID'ed. How does that happen w/o going into the DMV office?

2) So you're against voting by mail, but you're for government identification cards by mail?

[smackaholic]

It’s the only sane explanation for sleepy joe getting higher turnout than Obama is melanin rich districts.

False.

The explanation is that people witnessed 4 years of a sociopath in the oval office.
Then they saw the child's completely unhinged act in the first presidential debate, and they voted in large numbers to make sure such a nightmare would be put to bed.

Dump lost.

The end.




#tears

I honestly don’t know who REALLY won.

Nor does anyone else.

There were many millions of mailed ballots with no reliable method to confirm who actually cast the votes.

That should bother people.

They all point to how horrible Jan 6 was, but aren’t willing to address the problem.

We should have confidence in elections.

Right now, there is none.


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[smackaholic]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Put aside your insane hatred for TBOM for a moment and think about it.


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[Diego in Seattle]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Can you provide any proven incidents of voter fraud via mail ballots?

[Screw_Michigan]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Put aside your insane hatred for TBOM for a moment and think about it.


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Why isn't Dump crowing about Super Tuesday ballot security? Lemme guess...

[The Seer]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

You mean like state driver's licenses and all the mayhem they're creating? Of course now that the Marxists want non citizens to vote they've been issuing driver's licenses to those same people.

As for surveillance state, I don't find that worse than one party corrupting elections in their aim for one party rule...and which party do you think would do most surveilling....the party of less Govt or the party of chaos?

[Diego in Seattle]

So conservatives want databases for voting (not dangerous) and driving (potentially dangerous), but the don't want databases for deadly weapons.

[Sudden Sam]

voting (not dangerous)

Not dangerous?!

Are you aware of the likely nominees of our two major parties?

[smackaholic]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Can you provide any proven incidents of voter fraud via mail ballots?

No, I can’t. And that’s part of the problem. It is a system which is very easy to cheat and hard to get caught.

Can you explain to me how exactly you can validate a mailed in ballot?

You can’t.

I’m not saying that in person voting can’t be cheated. Just that it’s much tougher and impossible to do on a large scale.


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[smackaholic]

So conservatives want databases for voting (not dangerous) and driving (potentially dangerous), but the don't want databases for deadly weapons.

An election system that can’t be trusted is extremely dangerous.


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[Diego in Seattle]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

Can you provide any proven incidents of voter fraud via mail ballots?

No, I can’t. And that’s part of the problem. It is a system which is very easy to cheat and hard to get caught.

Can you explain to me how exactly you can validate a mailed in ballot?

You can’t.

And how will ID's be validated?

[Softball Bat]

Pop, do you think mass mail voting is a good idea?

No, I don't think it is great.
2020 was obviously a highly unusual election year.
Something none of us have seen before.

[Softball Bat]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices." Thus, someone from the U.S. government potentially comes to every address in the United States almost daily. Letter carriers also carry scanners as part of their job. Seems like it would be fairly straightforward for the letter carriers to collect the required information from home bound residents, and then deliver the free ID card to them once their information has been verified. If that was part of the free ID card program, would you endorse it or call it racist?

You are suggesting having a governmental database of every person in the United States, which would contain continually updated identifying information.
Good luck with that.
Errors would be rampant.
Such an ID would soon end up being linked to employment, mortgage brokers, credit agencies, and on and on, because the use of the ID would no doubt extend to purposes other than what it was originally said to be needed for.
Surveillance state.

Not IN.

You mean like state driver's licenses and all the mayhem they're creating? Of course now that the Marxists want non citizens to vote they've been issuing driver's licenses to those same people.

As for surveillance state, I don't find that worse than one party corrupting elections in their aim for one party rule...and which party do you think would do most surveilling....the party of less Govt or the party of chaos?

Pursuing a driver's license is a voluntary endeavor.
A national ID would be a dystopian nightmare.

I don't know which party is the party of less government.

Seems to be that both parties are parties of more government.
They just want the "more government" to work toward things that they find appealing.

The people are pretty well skrewed either way, in case you haven't noticed what's gone on the last 50 years.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

Just to summarize the responses:

1. There is no election fraud and thus there is no reason to attempt to improve election integrity.

2. We cannot trust the government to issue identification cards that validate each voter's right to vote in an election conducted by the government that cannot be trusted to determine who will run the government that cannot be trusted.

3. People would obtain voter ID's fraudulently, but would never cast fraudulent votes by mail.

Did I miss anything?

[Softball Bat]

1. There is no doubt there was election fraud in 2020. There is a degree of election fraud in all presidential elections. 2020 was a highly unusual election, so perhaps the fraud level was higher than in past elections.

2. It is humorous to me to see "conservatives" pushing for a national ID. The fed should be involved as little as possible, imo.

3. The issue with a national ID isn't that people will use it to commit voter fraud, but that errors in such a national database would be rampant. And keeping such a database updated would be next to impossible.
And as I mentioned, if you went down the slippery slope of IDing folks nationwide, such an ID would no doubt end up being used for many purposes other than what it was initially said to be used for. That really would not be kool.

I don't think you, 88, would be happy to part of a national ID program.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

I hate to be the one who breaks the news to you, but we already have a lot of national ID's, Vlad. The primary national ID is issued by the Social Security Administration, but is used by the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies. If you choose to travel to another country, you need a passport, which is another form of national ID. I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

[smackaholic]

I hate to be the one who breaks the news to you, but we already have a lot of national ID's, Vlad. The primary national ID is issued by the Social Security Administration, but is used by the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies. If you choose to travel to another country, you need a passport, which is another form of national ID. I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

It’s pretty simple


TBOM needed to be stopped by any means necessary, so Pop was willing to look the other way during that “unusual” election.


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[Softball Bat]

I hate to be the one who breaks the news to you, but we already have a lot of national ID's, Vlad. The primary national ID is issued by the Social Security Administration, but is used by the Internal Revenue Service and other agencies. If you choose to travel to another country, you need a passport, which is another form of national ID. I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

Getting a passport is an entirely voluntary endeavor.


SSA says right on its website that your SS card is not an identification document.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/assets/EN-05-10553.pdf

Your SS# is not a national ID, and also, a person is not required to get a SS#.
However, as you said, your SS# is a personal identifying number that is widely used, and almost everyone needs to have one.

The social security number was originally intended only for use by the social security administration, so that SSA could track how much you paid, what your benefits are, etc.

The fact that the use of the SS# has expanded to the extent it has shows you just what would happen if everyone was required to have a national ID for the purpose of voting.

I'd like to understand what additional data you think the government would collect from a voter that it does not already have, and why collecting that information would put any individual at more risk than the individual faces right now.

A national ID, with number and photo, is anti-Liberty.

"Your papers, please!"

"This ID expired three weeks ago. You are UNDER ARREST!"

[Softball Bat]

TBOM needed to be stopped by any means necessary, so Pop was willing to look the other way during that “unusual” election.

Donald filed 62 lawsuits in 9 states, and he did not come remotely close to proving there was a meaningful level of fraud that could have changed the outcome of the result in any of the states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-elec ... l_election


So, I am not "looking the other way," but am instead, grounded in reality.

Of course there was fraud in 2020.
There has always been fraud.

But fraud did not change the outcome of that election.
Not remotely close.

[Diego in Seattle]

I always like how conservatives say that there was fraud in the 2020 election but are perfectly willing to accept that Moscow Mitch was reelected to the Senate with a 32% approval rating.

[Meat Head]

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"Your papers, please!"

"This ID expired three weeks ago. You are UNDER ARREST!"

[smackaholic]

I always like how conservatives say that there was fraud in the 2020 election but are perfectly willing to accept that Moscow Mitch was reelected to the Senate with a 32% approval rating.

Did I say that the fraud was limited to 2020?

As to all of your claims that there isn’t proof, how many fukking times do I need to say that with mass mail in shitshow as we had, there is no way to prove one way or the other.

I can’t “prove” the votes are fraudulent and you can’t prove they are.

That is a shitty situation which undermines trust and leads to shitshow like the Jan 6 “insurrection”.

But if we look at the results, namely the unusually high turnouts in urban areas, we can make a pretty fukki g good educated guess as to what happened.

And it wasn’t a bunch of angry kneegrows voting against Trump. It was a massive vote harvesting operation.


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[Screw_Michigan]

That is a shitty situation which undermines trust and leads to shitshow like the Jan 6 “insurrection”.

That's fucking nonsense. What undermines trust and leads to the show like the Jan 6 insurrection (don't kid yourself, it was a violent assault on the seat of our government) is when the president sews doubts in the legitimacy of our election system to maintain power, encourages an angry mob to congregate on the Mall and foists this mob on lawmakers. You and your orange hero remain disgusting, vile and traitorous piles of human excrement. You can never go fuck yourself enough.

[Diego in Seattle]

That is a shitty situation which undermines trust and leads to shitshow like the Jan 6 “insurrection”.

That's fucking nonsense. What undermines trust and leads to the show like the Jan 6 insurrection (don't kid yourself, it was a violent assault on the seat of our government) is when the president sews doubts in the legitimacy of our election system to maintain power, encourages an angry mob to congregate on the Mall and foists this mob on lawmakers. You and your orange hero remain disgusting, vile and traitorous piles of human excrement. You can never go fuck yourself enough.

He doesn't have evidence of voter fraud, but his solution to this imaginary problem is to disenfranchise minorities, elderly and those with medical issues.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

What undermines trust and leads to the show like the Jan 6 insurrection (don't kid yourself, it was a violent assault on the seat of our government) is when the president sews doubts in the legitimacy of our election system to maintain power, encourages an angry mob to congregate on the Mall and foists this mob on lawmakers.

For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to question the legitimacy of our election system.

For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to encourage people to assemble and attempt to petition the Government to redress their grievances.

Hate the Constitution much?

As far as violence is concerned, I agree that it is abhorrent. But almost nothing violent happened until the mall cops started shooting rubber bullets at and gassing protestors. The videos from that day have been released. I encourage you would watch them. Yes, I'm talking about the videos that the January 6 Committee refused to let the public see.

And remember that January 6 occurred after a summer and fall of violence preceding the election. I guess its OK for lawmakers to encourage angry mobs to congregate in communities and the foist those mobs on unarmed small businesses and individuals. But I guess it is not OK for the same lawmakers to get a taste of their own medicine.

If January 6 was a planned insurrection, it was the dumbest one ever conceived. Where were the weapons? The only people who died were unarmed protestors. So much of January 6 has been hyperbolized and lied about. The cop that shot Ashli Babbit lied under oath. So did other members of the police who tried to defend his actions. Does that sew doubts in the legitimacy of our systems?

Why are you not up in arms about the three-year Russia collusion hoax? Was that interference with the peaceful transfer of power?

You are a one tune fraud. Felch on.

[Screw_Michigan]

For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to question the legitimacy of our election system.

For your statement to be true, a president is not permitted to encourage people to assemble and attempt to petition the Government to redress their grievances.

Hate the Constitution much?

As far as violence is concerned, I agree that it is abhorrent. But almost nothing violent happened until the mall cops started shooting rubber bullets at and gassing protestors. The videos from that day have been released. I encourage you would watch them. Yes, I'm talking about the videos that the January 6 Committee refused to let the public see.

And remember that January 6 occurred after a summer and fall of violence preceding the election. I guess its OK for lawmakers to encourage angry mobs to congregate in communities and the foist those mobs on unarmed small businesses and individuals. But I guess it is not OK for the same lawmakers to get a taste of their own medicine.

If January 6 was a planned insurrection, it was the dumbest one ever conceived. Where were the weapons? The only people who died were unarmed protestors. So much of January 6 has been hyperbolized and lied about. The cop that shot Ashli Babbit lied under oath. So did other members of the police who tried to defend his actions. Does that sew doubts in the legitimacy of our systems?

Why are you not up in arms about the three-year Russia collusion hoax? Was that interference with the peaceful transfer of power?

You are a one tune fraud. Felch on.

Another traitor checks in. You would love Russia. Even in the winter. Your type of place!

[The Seer]

Prior to the China virus elections were primarily done via paper ballot, same day voting. It worked. Results available that evening. Everything was great until the Dems decided to fist-fuck cultural norms, make a mockery of science, and their desire to "transform" this country into something unrecognizable that would compromise quality of life for the sane people that kind of liked the place...

The dems eventually discovered that despite their control over institutions such as education, media, big tech, et.al. many voters decided they didn't want chaos replacing what they have and said dems needed to resort to malfeasance under the umbrella of Covid panic. Props to them for deceiving much of the populace but there's a reasonable chance their mantra of corruption will continue to be exposed and it all comes crashing down and the US is saved.

Build a wall, illegal immigration FIXED.
Return to paper ballots & in person voting, election integrity restored.

[Sudden Sam]

…when the president sews doubts…

Does that sew doubts…

Forgive me, but y’all are driving me nuts!

It’s ‘SOW’ !!!

Sorry to be anal about it. I make plenty of mistakes, too.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

Rack Sam. Damn.

[88BuckeyeGrad]

Another traitor checks in. You would love Russia. Even in the winter. Your type of place!

Incredible rebuttal. Point by point, spot on.

This is why guys like you, with chins glistening with your master’s essence, are so well regarded.

[smackaholic]

Another traitor checks in. You would love Russia. Even in the winter. Your type of place!

Incredible rebuttal. Point by point, spot on.

This is why guys like you, with chins glistening with your master’s essence, are so well regarded.

All right, I have to fact check this one.

Everyone knows laundry challenged, hair bun wearing Nancy boys from The District don’t have chins.


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[Screw_Michigan]

Incredible rebuttal. Point by point, spot on.

This is why guys like you, with chins glistening with your master’s essence, are so well regarded.

I put more effort into my dumps than explaining myself to fascists like yourself.

[Mikey]

Prior to the China virus elections were primarily done via paper ballot, same day voting.

False. Try again. Or maybe just STFU on things that you’re clueless about.

We’ve been voting mail-in or early drop off for 20 years.