It never rains in California...

[smackaholic]

...well, actually, it does.....A LOT. It just all comes at once. This past week had historical amounts of rainfall.

Sadly, 98% of it ends up in the Pacific because the greenies have seen to it that there hasn't been a single bit of water catchment infrastructure but in close to 70 years. But they've gotten rid of some of it.

Imagine if there had been some effort put into some? Maybe you wouldn't need to pump Lake Meade dry or import it from up north.

So how about you stop blaming Climate Change and start catching what you do get every winter?

[Mikey]

You really should try to resist posting about shit when you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. You just embarrass yourself. About the only thing you got right here is that there was a lot of rain yesterday.

[Kierland]

It’s what bounced off the echo chamber inside his empty brain.

[Screw_Michigan]

You really should try to resist posting about shit when you don’t know WTF you’re talking about. You just embarrass yourself. About the only thing you got right here is that there was a lot of rain yesterday.

The #1 superpower of the GQP is complete and total shamelessness. Suckaholic proved this way before Dump or "George Santos" arrived.

[Diego in Seattle]

...well, actually, it does.....A LOT. It just all comes at once. This past week had historical amounts of rainfall.

Sadly, 98% of it ends up in the Pacific because the greenies have seen to it that there hasn't been a single bit of water catchment infrastructure but in close to 70 years. But they've gotten rid of some of it.

Imagine if there had been some effort put into some? Maybe you wouldn't need to pump Lake Meade dry or import it from up north.

So how about you stop blaming Climate Change and start catching what you do get every winter?

In 1980 California's population was 23 million. In 2022 it was 39 million.

Did you think that the additional 16 million people weren't going to use any additional water?

Moron...

[smackaholic]

...well, actually, it does.....A LOT. It just all comes at once. This past week had historical amounts of rainfall.

Sadly, 98% of it ends up in the Pacific because the greenies have seen to it that there hasn't been a single bit of water catchment infrastructure but in close to 70 years. But they've gotten rid of some of it.

Imagine if there had been some effort put into some? Maybe you wouldn't need to pump Lake Meade dry or import it from up north.

So how about you stop blaming Climate Change and start catching what you do get every winter?

In 1980 California's population was 23 million. In 2022 it was 39 million.

Did you think that the additional 16 million people weren't going to use any additional water?

Moron...

Of course they use more water. The problem is, they haven't done what they need to do to catch the winter rains.

I will admit that after doing a bit more research, there has been some addition to Cali's water catching abilities, but no where near enough. And there has been some removal of dams.

Of course the greenies want to pretend this is not a factor in their water problems. They'd much rather cry about CO2 levels and blame them.

There are 2 things Cali should be doing. Building more dams and nuke plants.

[Kierland]

You do know that one couple owns most of our water right? But you would never blame capitalism, you would just find some way to twist your logic around to suck its dick.

[smackaholic]

The problem isn’t capitalism.

The problem is Cali has been run by idiots for the better part of half a century.

How about you explain how a few rich capitalist pigs are causing all this trouble.


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[Kierland]

I just explained it, but you (as usual) don’t listen.

[Donnie Baker's Ghost]

Two people controlling most of the water in a state is the exact opposite of Capitalism, you fucking moron.

[Kierland]

Two people controlling most of the water in a state is the exact opposite of Capitalism, you fucking moron.

They got it thru capitalism in a capitalist society so just STFU. Have you ever even played monopoly?

[Kierland]

Two people controlling most of the water in a state is the exact opposite of Capitalism, you fucking moron.

100% CORRECT SIR!

Kierland is a democrat voter, and as such, he is severely duped, played and manipulated by left wing bullshit propaganda.

He calls people like me who hold liberty as sacrosanct, nazis and fascists.
Of course anyone with half a brain understands that the soviet socialists and nazi socialists were anti-liberty, government control, totalitarian, THE VERY DEFINITION OF FASCISTS.

President trump, republicans, libertarians, etc....AND HALF the country who DIDN'T vote for Alzheimer's Joe and low IQ harris, are liberty loving capitalists.

Kierland's entire existence on planet earth is literally based upon the left wing bullshit propaganda fed to him his entire life.

Nice word salad. That has nothing to do with the Resnicks and how they cornered the water market using capitalism.

[Donnie Baker's Ghost]

Two people controlling most of the water in a state is the exact opposite of Capitalism, you fucking moron.

They got it thru capitalism in a capitalist society so just STFU. Have you ever even played monopoly?

You are absolutely, without comparison, the dumbest attorney with whom I have ever interacted. Monopolies are patently anti-Capitalist, you dumb motherfucker. Holy shit.

[Kierland]

So you are willing to lie about how they got their water rights. Fantastic!

What do you think the Sherman Act is about you stupid lying Nazi?

[Donnie Baker's Ghost]

I am consistently stunned by how much you don't know. Absolutely fucking stunned.

[Kierland]

More GQP scare tactics. Infowars is more lucid than this guy.

[Kierland]

The topic is water in California you demented twat.

[smackaholic]

Mikey, you speak leftist bullshit and have lived in Cali most of your life.

Can you decipher the midget’s nonsense about this alleged Cali water monopoly?


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[Wolfman]

"..... but when it pours, man it pours."

[Derron57]

So you are willing to lie about how they got their water rights. Fantastic!

What do you think the Sherman Act is about you stupid lying Nazi?

What y'all planning on doing after suckaholoic gets done butt fucking you all on this Cali water thing??

You fucking libtards argue about this and ignore the "science" and simplicity of this problem. Cali has known this for years, but the libs stopped infrastructure development about 40 years ago and now they are fucked. Boo fucking hoo.

[Screw_Michigan]

What y'all planning on doing after suckaholoic gets done butt fucking you all on this Cali water thing??

You fucking libtards argue about this and ignore the "science" and simplicity of this problem. Cali has known this for years, but the libs stopped infrastructure development about 40 years ago and now they are fucked. Boo fucking hoo.

Welcome back, Duhron. Hope you are happy and healthy. How's the glass treating you?

[Kierland]

Mikey, you speak leftist bullshit and have lived in Cali most of your life.

Can you decipher the midget’s nonsense about this alleged Cali water monopoly?


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If you knew anything about the subject YOU decided to start a topic on you would already know about the pomwonderful couple. You sure have a lot of opinions on subjects about which you know nothing.

[Kierland]

What y'all planning on doing after suckaholoic gets done butt fucking you all on this Cali water thing??

You fucking libtards argue about this and ignore the "science" and simplicity of this problem. Cali has known this for years, but the libs stopped infrastructure development about 40 years ago and now they are fucked. Boo fucking hoo.

Welcome back, Duhron. Hope you are happy and healthy. How's the glass treating you?

Judging from the fact that it takes him years to form takes I would say he is still on the pipe.

[Kierland]

So you are willing to lie about how they got their water rights. Fantastic!

What do you think the Sherman Act is about you stupid lying Nazi?

What y'all planning on doing after suckaholoic gets done butt fucking you all on this Cali water thing??

You fucking libtards argue about this and ignore the "science" and simplicity of this problem. Cali has known this for years, but the libs stopped infrastructure development about 40 years ago and now they are fucked. Boo fucking hoo.

So painfully ignorant. Why don’t you tell all the native trees that died during the drought about how they should have just built more huge dams.

[Mikey]

...well, actually, it does.....A LOT. It just all comes at once. This past week had historical amounts of rainfall.

Sadly, 98% of it ends up in the Pacific because the greenies have seen to it that there hasn't been a single bit of water catchment infrastructure but in close to 70 years. But they've gotten rid of some of it.

Imagine if there had been some effort put into some? Maybe you wouldn't need to pump Lake Meade dry or import it from up north.

So how about you stop blaming Climate Change and start catching what you do get every winter?

In 1980 California's population was 23 million. In 2022 it was 39 million.

Did you think that the additional 16 million people weren't going to use any additional water?

Moron...

Of course they use more water. The problem is, they haven't done what they need to do to catch the winter rains.

I will admit that after doing a bit more research, there has been some addition to Cali's water catching abilities, but no where near enough. And there has been some removal of dams.

Of course the greenies want to pretend this is not a factor in their water problems. They'd much rather cry about CO2 levels and blame them.

There are 2 things Cali should be doing. Building more dams and nuke plants.

Since you've obviously done some deep dive research on this subject, and seem to know just about everything there is to know, I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence by reminding you that there are about 1,500 dams and more than 1,300 reservoirs in California already, most of them built before 1980.

Every major river has been dammed, and some have two or more. More storage is good, but you have to have a place to put it. You can't just dig a big hole in the ground and call it a reservoir. You've probably heard that water runs downhill, so you can't take rain that falls along the coast and store it in the Central Valley, for example.

Since you're the expert here, you must have an extensive list of favorable sites with their potential storage capacity and effect on long term water storage. Please post your list here so that we can continue this discussion.

There apparently are three major projects under development ( https://andthewest.stanford.edu/2022/do ... reservoir/). One of these is considered "off-stream" storage and can only be filled with overflow from the Sacramento river. All of these take years and $billions to develop.

In principle, more storage is good, said Jay Lund, co-director of the Center for Watershed Sciences at the University of California, Davis. The persistence of droughts and the likelihood that climate change will exacerbate them reinforce this idea. “If you have a bigger house and an extra room is offered for free, you would always take it,” he said.

“But if you have to pay for it, you’d think about it more carefully… We have 1,500 rooms — or regulated dams — in California. That doesn’t mean the 1,501st room is not worthwhile. But you want to scrutinize it more….

“The best sites are already taken. Now we have more expensive sites that generally yield less water… In terms of water delivery and economics, things are not as great as they used to be — without even getting into the environmental costs,” Lund said.

Yes, the water situation is fucked up here. But it's not the fault of the "greenies" or the libs or even mostly because of the population increase. In San Diego County the per-household domestic water use has fallen by something like 50% in the last 20 or 30 years. This just keeps up with the population growth, and they keep asking us to reduce our usage every dry year. But you can't ask households to reduce their usage every year from the already reduced usage from the year before.

Reducing residential usage doesn't have that much of an effect anyway. 80% of water usage in California goes to agriculture. If residential and other business usage were cut by 50%, that would only reduce statewide usage by 10%. And most of the agricultural usage goes to factory farming water-intensive crops, grown in otherwise dry areas, like alfalfa and almonds. 20% of agricultural use goes to tree nuts. Around two-thirds of these nuts are exported overseas, leaving massive profits for corporate titans but less water in California. Another 15% is used for alfalfa, a water-intensive crop used to feed cows on factory farms or for export, mostly to China and Saudi Arabia, where it's illegal to grow alfalfa because it takes too much water. Livestock production is another big user, with mega-dairies using 142 million gallons per day.

The fossil fuel industry continues to operate extensively in California — using and polluting vast amounts of water. Between January 2018 and March 2021, the industry used over 3 billion gallons of freshwater for drilling operations. To put this in perspective, this is the equivalent of 120 million showers for California households. At the same time, fossil fuel operations have polluted California’s aquifers with dirty wastewater.

The system for water allocation in the western states was put in place over a century ago and needs to be completely overhauled because it is not sustainable. The Colorado River is over allocated by some huge percentage among the states that have water rights. Lake Mead, BTW, is not in California and doesn't provide a significant percentage of our supply. Also, it's filled mostly by water released from the Glen Canyon Dam (Lake Powell) upstream. None of the water pumped from Lake Powell goes to California. And we don't annex our neighbors, like your hero Putin.

[Kierland]

Fake news! It’s the libs.

Sin,
Qtard Nation

[Diego in Seattle]

Great post, Mikey!

[Kierland]

That’s all alt right echo chamber nonsense. It didn’t address ONE of Mikey’s points.

[Kierland]

25 % of Cali is a desert and most of that has very few people.

[Mikey]

Are you really that poorly educated?
Or just a little gullible and easily duped sheep?
Do you understand what a desert region is?
Much of that area doesn't receive enough precipitation yearly, to support the massive population growth over the decades.

Yet you posted more left-wing bullshit than a herd of full grown elephants.

You CANNOT possibly be that stupid.

Did you actually read what I posted? If so then your comprehension is pretty close to zero.

You never bother to actually address the subject but just spout the same tired word vomit with every post, and have quickly become about as boring as being stuck on hold. Just go away. Please. You're a waste of time and space. Or don't go away. There's always the ignore function.

[Mikey]

That’s all alt right echo chamber nonsense. It didn’t address ONE of Mikey’s points.

What?
You don't understand the science.
It's a desert region dummy.

You talk about science. I'm surprised you can even spell it.

Yes, a desert. Absolutely.

[Kierland]

Nice backpedal.

[Mikey]

No shit.
California has other regions.
But because there's desert regions as well, NO WAY will it EVER support the population levels.
And the fact that you continue ignoring the science of this, is extremely problematic.

On what basis do you continue to deny that reality?

You haven't told me exactly what it is that I'm denying except "the science," which I'm sure you're very well versed on.

So please explain.

Are you denying that agriculture uses the vast majority of the water in California, and that very little of that production actually stays here?

[Mikey]

You do know that one couple owns most of our water right?

I'll have to say that Justin Isosceles and the chili roasted pistachios are both the bomb. But still...

[Kierland]

And Pom is wonderful but still.

[Screw_Michigan]

Since you've obviously done some deep dive research on this subject, and seem to know just about everything there is to know, I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence by reminding you that there are about 1,500 dams and more than 1,300 reservoirs in California already, most of them built before 1980.

Every major river has been dammed, and some have two or more. More storage is good, but you have to have a place to put it. You can't just dig a big hole in the ground and call it a reservoir. You've probably heard that water runs downhill, so you can't take rain that falls along the coast and store it in the Central Valley, for example.

Since you're the expert here, you must have an extensive list of favorable sites with their potential storage capacity and effect on long term water storage. Please post your list here so that we can continue this discussion.

There apparently are three major projects under development ( https://andthewest.stanford.edu/2022/do ... reservoir/). One of these is considered "off-stream" storage and can only be filled with overflow from the Sacramento river. All of these take years and $billions to develop.

In principle, more storage is good, said Jay Lund, co-director of the Center for Watershed Sciences at the University of California, Davis. The persistence of droughts and the likelihood that climate change will exacerbate them reinforce this idea. “If you have a bigger house and an extra room is offered for free, you would always take it,” he said.

“But if you have to pay for it, you’d think about it more carefully… We have 1,500 rooms — or regulated dams — in California. That doesn’t mean the 1,501st room is not worthwhile. But you want to scrutinize it more….

“The best sites are already taken. Now we have more expensive sites that generally yield less water… In terms of water delivery and economics, things are not as great as they used to be — without even getting into the environmental costs,” Lund said.

Yes, the water situation is fucked up here. But it's not the fault of the "greenies" or the libs or even mostly because of the population increase. In San Diego County the per-household domestic water use has fallen by something like 50% in the last 20 or 30 years. This just keeps up with the population growth, and they keep asking us to reduce our usage every dry year. But you can't ask households to reduce their usage every year from the already reduced usage from the year before.

Reducing residential usage doesn't have that much of an effect anyway. 80% of water usage in California goes to agriculture. If residential and other business usage were cut by 50%, that would only reduce statewide usage by 10%. And most of the agricultural usage goes to factory farming water-intensive crops, grown in otherwise dry areas, like alfalfa and almonds. 20% of agricultural use goes to tree nuts. Around two-thirds of these nuts are exported overseas, leaving massive profits for corporate titans but less water in California. Another 15% is used for alfalfa, a water-intensive crop used to feed cows on factory farms or for export, mostly to China and Saudi Arabia, where it's illegal to grow alfalfa because it takes too much water. Livestock production is another big user, with mega-dairies using 142 million gallons per day.

The fossil fuel industry continues to operate extensively in California — using and polluting vast amounts of water. Between January 2018 and March 2021, the industry used over 3 billion gallons of freshwater for drilling operations. To put this in perspective, this is the equivalent of 120 million showers for California households. At the same time, fossil fuel operations have polluted California’s aquifers with dirty wastewater.

The system for water allocation in the western states was put in place over a century ago and needs to be completely overhauled because it is not sustainable. The Colorado River is over allocated by some huge percentage among the states that have water rights. Lake Mead, BTW, is not in California and doesn't provide a significant percentage of our supply. Also, it's filled mostly by water released from the Glen Canyon Dam (Lake Powell) upstream. None of the water pumped from Lake Powell goes to California. And we don't annex our neighbors, like your hero Putin.

OMG, get off Mikey. Another humiliation of Suckaholic, try not to kick him while he's down.

[smackaholic]

Thanks Mikey.

At least you put together informative posts rather than the drivel the rest of the lefties throw together.

Yes, Cali does grow an awful lot of stuff. And that stuff goes elsewhere, including overseas. And that is a good thing for Cali and the US's pocketbook. I mean we have to export something.

As for the evil carbon mining devils adding to the problem, yes, I suppose they do, which is why I added a bit about building the only thing that actually can reduce our use of it, nuke. We have a pretty good handle on splitting atoms and hopefully we're getting close on figuring out how to glue them back together in a controlled manner.

The fact that we continue to use FFs to produce grid electricity is kind of dumb. It is a finite resource, best used for mobile energy needs.

[Kierland]

“The only thing”
In the same post you have the nerve to post about lefties drivel.
You are a singularly stupid human.

[Mikey]

Thanks Mikey.

At least you put together informative posts rather than the drivel the rest of the lefties throw together.

Yes, Cali does grow an awful lot of stuff. And that stuff goes elsewhere, including overseas. And that is a good thing for Cali and the US's pocketbook. I mean we have to export something.

As for the evil carbon mining devils adding to the problem, yes, I suppose they do, which is why I added a bit about building the only thing that actually can reduce our use of it, nuke. We have a pretty good handle on splitting atoms and hopefully we're getting close on figuring out how to glue them back together in a controlled manner.

The fact that we continue to use FFs to produce grid electricity is kind of dumb. It is a finite resource, best used for mobile energy needs.

So when can we expect to see that list of feasible potential storage sites? I see that argument all the time but nobody ever has any real suggestions about how to do it. Besides, isn’t massive government spending on stuff like this completely anathema to the MAGA mindset?

The other thing I see a lot is “just build more desalination plants - after all, Israel is doing it.” But nobody ever bothers to mention is that 1) Israel doesn’t feed the world like we do; 2) Israelis are mostly committed to extreme conservation measures that would never go over around here; and 3) to match their capacity in terms of output per capita we would have to build something like one per every 20 miles of coastline.

Not even mentioning the cost or energy consumption involved.

[Kierland]

The only damns that need building in California are beaver dams. Their addition to water retention is unmatched. California still considers them a pest because unlike most peoples perception of it, it is still run, in many places, by right wing agriculture policies.