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Papa Willie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:04 am What’s wrong with whatabouts? You and Pedo use them with Trump like they’re bacteria hauling ass to a newly produced hippo shit. Surely they’re okay for all to use?

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:11 pm

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:04 am What’s wrong with whatabouts? You and Pedo use them with Trump like they’re bacteria hauling ass to a newly produced hippo shit. Surely they’re okay for all to use?

Dump is the world's leading fascist and is the leader of the GOP. Huge different. Shocker you don't get that.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:00 pm Yup, the double standard is alive and well.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:55 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:11 pm

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:04 am What’s wrong with whatabouts? You and Pedo use them with Trump like they’re bacteria hauling ass to a newly produced hippo shit. Surely they’re okay for all to use?

Dump is the world's leading fascist and is the leader of the GOP. Huge different. Shocker you don't get that.

Trump hasn’t been President in 9 months now. Tell us you knew.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:14 am You claim Trump whataboutism is fine but Her whataboutism is not. Your reasoning is because Trump was the GOP leader.

Papa Willie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:55 am Trump hasn’t been President in 9 months now. Tell us you knew.

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:24 pm

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:14 am You claim Trump whataboutism is fine but Her whataboutism is not. Your reasoning is because Trump was the GOP leader.

Dump is indeed the GOP leader. Her is the leader of no one.

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:30 pm In your mind, yes. As an actual GOP voter, he does not.

James Craig, former Detroit police chief and a Republican candidate for Michigan governor, confirmed in an interview Sunday that he's planning to visit former President Donald Trump later this week.

Craig, who received a positive reception at the Mackinac Republican Leadership Conference over the weekend, declined to go into detail about his upcoming trip to meet with the ex-president, whose endorsement has been sought by GOP candidates in primary races nationally.

"I do have a plan to do that, but I'll just leave it there," Craig said when asked about a potential trip this week. "I am planning on a visit."

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:30 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:24 pm

Left Seater wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 3:14 am You claim Trump whataboutism is fine but Her whataboutism is not. Your reasoning is because Trump was the GOP leader.

Dump is indeed the GOP leader. Her is the leader of no one.

In your mind, yes. As an actual GOP voter, he does not.

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:52 am Then maybe ESPN should deal with their employee.

Wait...

Never mind.


You know, if Jon was here he could speak for himself, but i just sort of imagine his vitriol in those emails was directed at those whom he feels were/are HATING on the sport he loves by ruining it with their -- GAY --approach to dealing with league matters.

No matter how you slice this, Jon has been run because the thought police have determined his thoughts are out of bounds.

This is a slippery slope, and I hope you are comfortable with your take on it, because it would not take much for the tables to be turned on you.


Again, don't understand my take to mean that I necessarily agree (or disagree) with Gruden's takes.
As one who values liberty, I find the process here to be quite troubling.

So it is.

Uh, no....

First off, if someone wants to smack another person because they aren't doing their job properly...that's fair game. But knocking them for being part of a protected class (race, gender) isn't acceptable. And no employer is going to accept such conduct & risk being fined (like Washington was for $10 million in the investigation that outed Gruden as a racist, misogynist homophobe). And note that $10M fine from the NFL is so far their only cost. I'm betting that some of the findings of that NFL investigation could be grounds for a civil suit by some of their employees/former employees, which means more costs employers don't want to shell out.

Secondly, this isn't a matter of "the thought police." Gruden can be a racist, misogynist homophobe in his head & while off the clock. When he does so on the clock while representing his employer they are entitled to take action against him. And that's just reality. Keep one's piehole shut while on the clock or representing one's employer isn't a new concept. It's been around for at least a century.

P.S.
Gruden sure did a good job of proving Kaepernick right...

smackaholic wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:45 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:52 am Then maybe ESPN should deal with their employee.

Wait...

Never mind.


You know, if Jon was here he could speak for himself, but i just sort of imagine his vitriol in those emails was directed at those whom he feels were/are HATING on the sport he loves by ruining it with their -- GAY --approach to dealing with league matters.

No matter how you slice this, Jon has been run because the thought police have determined his thoughts are out of bounds.

This is a slippery slope, and I hope you are comfortable with your take on it, because it would not take much for the tables to be turned on you.


Again, don't understand my take to mean that I necessarily agree (or disagree) with Gruden's takes.
As one who values liberty, I find the process here to be quite troubling.

So it is.

Uh, no....

First off, if someone wants to smack another person because they aren't doing their job properly...that's fair game. But knocking them for being part of a protected class (race, gender) isn't acceptable. And no employer is going to accept such conduct & risk being fined (like Washington was for $10 million in the investigation that outed Gruden as a racist, misogynist homophobe). And note that $10M fine from the NFL is so far their only cost. I'm betting that some of the findings of that NFL investigation could be grounds for a civil suit by some of their employees/former employees, which means more costs employers don't want to shell out.

Secondly, this isn't a matter of "the thought police." Gruden can be a racist, misogynist homophobe in his head & while off the clock. When he does so on the clock while representing his employer they are entitled to take action against him. And that's just reality. Keep one's piehole shut while on the clock or representing one's employer isn't a new concept. It's been around for at least a century.

P.S.
Gruden sure did a good job of proving Kaepernick right...

So, valid criticism is OK, but talking shit about a “protected class” in a personal email isn’t?

Is that really what you are going with?

Who decides what a protected class is?

Left Seater wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:23 pm 650,000 emails and only Gruden’s had something inflammatory?

Me thinks that is a huge stretch. Not that Gruden should skate, but I will bet next year’s salary that his wasn’t the only one with “bad” emails. More likely someone went Katie Couric and covered up others for some reason.

Diego wrote:But that doesn't make him any less guilty of making racist/misogynistic/homophobic comments (which is what you have basically said).

Diego wrote:arbitrary & capricious

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:37 pm Name two things Derron thinks he could order at the juice bar

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 22, 2022 11:32 am Getting closer to finding out who put the *HIT* out on Jon Gruden.