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Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:08 am
by Bill in Houston
Senate filibuster.

It’s become nothing more than a procedure for the minority to obstruct legislation.

What is the argument, in today’s society, for such a minority obstruction?

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:11 am
by Left Seater
Of course we do. Everything in the Senate should require 60 votes to pass.

It is better for we the people when legislation, judges, cabinet members require 60 votes.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:13 pm
by Bill in Houston
So you’re against reconciliation procedures.

Why is 60 better than a simple majority?

But your declaration of what’s best for the collective sounds pretty progressive.

I don’t hold much hope for you unfortunately.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:34 pm
by smackaholic
There is some wisdom in requiring a little more than 50.1% to pass a law.

I wouldn't mind simple majority laws if we could get back to actually following the Constitution. In particular, the 10th Ammendment. You wanna get your socialist freak on, fine. Do it at the state or local level. I am still trying to figure out why one of the commie states hasn't went to single payer healfcare yet, since it is so freaking awesome. There's nothing stopping you.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:43 pm
by Bill in Houston
So the neo-cons believe it is a good idea without offering any rationale.

How unusual that they can’t substantiate their position.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:11 pm
by Diego in Seattle
smackaholic wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:34 pmI wouldn't mind simple majority laws if we could get back to actually following the Constitution.
The GQP gave up on the Constitution when they began instituting abortion restrictions. The GOP gave up on the Constitution when they refused to abide by Article II, Section II of the Constitution. Conservatives gave up on the the Constitutions when they started treating gays-lesbians as non-citizens unworthy of the protections afforded to straight people.

Save your constitutional piety for someone who hasn't seen how little the GOP cares about the Constitution.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:15 pm
by Kierland
Left Seater wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:11 am Of course we do. Everything in the Senate should require 60 votes to pass.

It is better for we the people when legislation, judges, cabinet members require 60 votes.
Because you hate democracy. Even Representative democracy. Who gives a fuck what the people want right fatty? Fuck you terrorist.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:17 pm
by Kierland
smackaholic wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:34 pm There is some wisdom in requiring a little more than 50.1% to pass a law.

I wouldn't mind simple majority laws if we could get back to actually following the Constitution. In particular, the 10th Ammendment. You wanna get your socialist freak on, fine. Do it at the state or local level. I am still trying to figure out why one of the commie states hasn't went to single payer healfcare yet, since it is so freaking awesome. There's nothing stopping you.
Is there any wisdom in admitting your voter fraud BS was just that you fucking Nazi?

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:16 pm
by Left Seater
Bill in Houston wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:13 pm So you’re against reconciliation procedures.

Why is 60 better than a simple majority?
Yes against reconciliation procedures.

As for why 60 is better than 51 it generally means one party can't pass legislation or approve judges that lean too far to their ideology. Legislation that gets at least some support from the minority party is generally better than legislation passed on party lines. Further we the people are better off with less legislation coming out of DC than we are with more. 60 makes it that much more difficult for them to legislate to us.

Re: Do we need this?

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:52 pm
by Kierland
#Gridlock
#Fat&Greedy
#Brokenpsyche