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I'm gonna fap before the nukes start flying.







USA launches hundreds of tomahawk missiles on Syria!!!!!!


Fukkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You didn't seriously think the Trump wasn't going to try to start a war?

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Indeed. What, with XiPing-pong leaving for the night in Mar-a-lago after a pleasant dinner discussing trade issues, you can imagine Trump cordially telling him as they shake hands goodnight, "Oh, you might want to reconsider your stance on North Korea and the South China Sea. Have a good evening."

Sudden Sam wrote:If it comes to war, it started when we failed to act when the "line in the sand" was drawn by Obama. Allowing the Russians to become more and more emboldened in Syria was a huge error.

Trump is embarrassing. He's scary as hell. He's not presidential. But...this was the right move. It's as much a message to China/North Korea as it is to Assad.

Seeing as how
1) The recent nerve gas attack happened while Trump was president - not Obama - and;
2) Trump himself repeatedly urged Obama not to bomb Syria

It's a little bit disingenuous to blame Obama for this.

That being said, I think it was a pretty appropriate response, even if it has some elements of tail wagging dog.

Syria reportedly dropped over 500 barrel bombs in civilian areas in February with no similar response. But then, at that time, Trump had other issues he could use to distract from attention from his corrupt family and administration.

In favor of the strike:

UK
Israel
France
Germany
Australia
Italy
Saudi Arabia
Syrian Rebels


Opposed:

Russia
Iran
Syrian Government


http://www.businessinsider.com/world-re ... ria-2017-4

Russian Warships just entered the Mediteranian Sea and headed DIRECTLY towards the US Destroyers that fired tomahawk missiles.

Also, Putin just turned OFF the hotline between US and USSR.


All because of a false flag gas attack that may or may not have happened and may or may NOT have been done by Assad.


And lastly.....don't go to Europe this summer....Terrorism just increased TEN FOLD!

Sweden already under terrorist attack just hours ago!

Where did I ever say that Hillary was my "hero?"

What's the matter with you, all those fat cells starting to pollute your brain?

Will you ever get over Hillary running for President?

Way to go President Chucklehead.

Papa Willie wrote:

Mikey wrote:Where did I ever say that Hillary was my "hero?"

What's the matter with you, all those fat cells starting to pollute your brain?

Will you ever get over Hillary running for President?

Would you be throwing a hissy fit if Hillary were the President doing this right now?

Let me help: NO

Hissy fit? Damn you really must be off your meds today.

Mikey wrote:
That being said, I think it was a pretty appropriate response.

The Russians aren't about to start WW3 or 4 or whatever. Saber rattling is like the baseball manager going out to talk to the umpire about a perceived blown call. It's all theater to placate the team.

Papa Willie wrote:So Mikey - is it wrong for one to change their mind?

After all (as quoted from Jokey over at .net):

The Democrats opposed the abolition of slavery and helped form the original KKK to stop reconstruction after the Civil War, nuff said.

Your whole party changed their minds, didn't they? :wink:

You got me mixed up with Goobs. I wasn't a Democrat during the Civil War, OR Reconstruction.

Nothing wrong with changing one's mind. But it sort of makes a difference WHY one changes their mind, which is often difficult or impossible to determine.

Mikey wrote:You got me mixed up with Goobs.

How can someone confuse a fat, balding, boring, Cali halfwit with a handsome, charming, virile cheesehead? Ponderous.

Goober McTuber wrote:

Mikey wrote:You got me mixed up with Goobs.

How can someone confuse a fat, balding, boring, Cali halfwit with a handsome, charming, virile cheesehead? Ponderous.

Remember who we're talking about here...Papa Willie once confused his dick with an Oscar Meyer Wiener. Can't blame him for that though, he'd never actually seen it before.

Mikey wrote:
Seeing as how
1) The recent nerve gas attack happened while Trump was president - not Obama

So it doesn't matter who's policy led up to the gassing, only who was in office when it happened? Pathetic reasoning.

My opinion on this matter is that, despite the visuals of civilians gasping for air, what happened between Assad and his fellow citizens is not a matter of vital or dire national security and Trump needed to go to Congress and get permission to engage militarily. This constitutes imperial "creep" in that the powers delineated in the Constitution are being ignored by everyone and the office of the Presidency is gaining a power which it is expressly forbidden to wield.

It also shows the lack of any kind of cogent underpinning when it comes to policy, foreign or domestic. If mere pictures are all that is necessary to get Trump to act 180* out from his clearly stated campaign platform (one of his few), then we are in serious trouble if something, like, oh, HD video comes out showing starving children in China. We'll be invading in less than a week.

And speaking of children, what is this fixation on these Syrian children being sarin gassed? Do the civilian adults count for less than the kids? Since when does the age of a child make it more valuable or worthy of saving? Does a 17 year and 364 day old child mean more than someone who is 18? How about unborn Syrian children? Or do those not count yet? There is this push to get engaged because kids are involved, but the rationale behind this thinking is muddled at best. Dead is dead regardless of age. If there is any imperative at all, it's that chemical munitions were used, period-- not that they were used on children. We've long had a stance that if you use NBC on us we can and will go all in and possibly use nukes to make you pay. But that is in context of our own soldiers or citizens being gassed/germed/radiated.

I just don't see how this past week changes anything except as an object lesson to Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China. In terms of Syria, all we've done is spent money on Tomahawks that aren't being produced in large numbers any longer.

Jsc810 wrote:

But I read where Trump gave Russia notice of the bombing before he notified Congress. And if that is true, then that is really fucked up.

Giving the Russians enough time to get there men out of the way was the smartest thing Trump could have done. Can you imagine what would have happened if 100 Russians were killed? Putin would have no other option then to inflict similar damage on Murica!

Wolfman wrote:The Russians aren't about to start WW3 or 4 or whatever. Saber rattling...

In a nutshell, this is the way I see it.

But instead of 'saber rattling', I would call it more a 'dick measuring' contest that accomplishes little or next to nothing except some sensationalized headlines.

In that sense, mission accomplished. I was getting sick of hearing non-stop about how Russia influenced the election or whateverthefuck else they were all babbling about anyhow.

It was time to change the subject.

Jsc810 wrote:I have no problems in notifying Russia; it would have been dangerous not to do so.

I just think that it was wrong to notify Russia before Congress.

The only guys that bothered with asking permission from congress in the last quarter century or so, were both named Bush. And ten minutes after W got permission, the dems who granted it turned on him, so why fukking bother?

Jsc810 wrote:It is not an issue of asking Congress, as the President has independent authority for at least some military action.

Again, my point is on the notification of Congress. And if in fact Trump notified Russia before he notified Congress, then that is pretty fucked up.

The way those backstabbing fukks act these days, why should he? I would notify them as the operation is being carried out, no sooner.

What's more interesting about this all is a break between the White House and the State Department. There's no informational follow up, no blitz on the wires favouring the decision. Ill thought out as it was, there's no cheerleading. That's significant, it's a genuine break.

Jsc810 wrote:It is not an issue of asking Congress, as the President has independent authority for at least some military action.

Again, my point is on the notification of Congress. And if in fact Trump notified Russia before he notified Congress, then that is pretty fucked up.

I disagree. The president only has the authority to act militarily when there is a dire and immediate threat to the United States-- not just for convenience' sake. The power to declare war either in word or in deed lies with Congress.

As for Trump giving the Russians notice before he attacked the airfield, I'd argue that that was just being prudent in avoiding a direct conflict with a peer level competitor who is operating in the same theater. We need to bear in mind that our few thousand troops over there are fairly isolated and could easily be targeted by the Russians had we indiscriminately killed many of them.

The Pentagon trumped the president.

Can you say "junta"?

Python wrote:

Mikey wrote:
Seeing as how
1) The recent nerve gas attack happened while Trump was president - not Obama

So it doesn't matter who's policy led up to the gassing, only who was in office when it happened? Pathetic reasoning.

My statement was factually correct.

Yours is an opinion based on a set of assumptions, the validity of which you can't in any way prove. SAD!!

In reality, the person WHOSE policy most definitely led up to the gassing was Bashar al-Assad.

Your reasoning is as pathetic as your grasp of the English language.

Good God, that was even worse than your last post.

"I was factually correct." What a dweeb.

Python wrote:Good God, that was even worse than your last post.

"I was factually correct." What a dweeb.

Wow. And you obviously have absolutely nothing. Why even attempt to reply?

What a cuck.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:The Pentagon trumped the president.

Can you say "junta"?

Just a guess, there's probably no line of communication between the two. Strikes me as a massive oversight or wilful ignorance.

Is it over?

Dr_Phibes wrote:

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:The Pentagon trumped the president.

Can you say "junta"?

Just a guess, there's probably no line of communication between the two. Strikes me as a massive oversight or wilful ignorance.

Well, Hilary was the candidate of the generals and admirals. I'm waiting for Trump's "Night Of The Long Comb-Overs"...

War Wagon wrote:

Wolfman wrote:The Russians aren't about to start WW3 or 4 or whatever. Saber rattling...

In a nutshell, this is the way I see it.

But instead of 'saber rattling', I would call it more a 'dick measuring' contest that accomplishes little or next to nothing except some sensationalized headlines.

In that sense, mission accomplished. I was getting sick of hearing non-stop about how Russia influenced the election or whateverthefuck else they were all babbling about anyhow.

It was time to change the subject.

I think it was all a setup by Trump and Putin to draw attention away from the fact that the Russians fucked with our election process. Brilliant!

Papa Willie wrote:

Mikey wrote:Where did I ever say that Hillary was my "hero?"

What's the matter with you, all those fat cells starting to pollute your brain?

Will you ever get over Hillary running for President?

Would you be throwing a hissy fit if Hillary were the President doing this right now?

Let me help: NO

But you would

So, who won?