Chip Kelly takes job as Eagles HC

[jiminphilly]

Oregon coach Chip Kelly will be the new coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, league sources told ESPN.

Kelly re-emerged as a candidate recently and an agreement was just reached Wednesday.

The Eagles had interviewed Kelly early in its search for a replacement for longtime coach Andy Reid, talking to the coach in Arizona after the Ducks' 35-17 Fiesta Bowl victory over Kansas State.

But sources had told ESPN after the meeting that Kelly had decided to stay at Oregon. The school never made an official announcement regarding Kelly's employment with the team, however.

Kelly is 46-7 in four years as head coach at Oregon. The Ducks have been to four straight BCS bowl games -- including a bid for the national championship against Auburn two seasons ago -- and have won three Pac-12 championships.

He originally came to the Ducks in 2007 as offensive coordinator under Mike Bellotti. Before that, he was offensive coordinator at New Hampshire, where he started devising the innovative hurry-up offense the Ducks are known for today.

Oregon finished last season 12-1. The team was ranked No. 1 and appeared headed for another shot at the national championship until a 17-14 overtime loss to Stanford on Nov.

[mvscal]

What's the problem?

[jiminphilly]

What's the problem?

They should have hired Gus Johnson to fix the defense which has been a travesty since Jim Johnson died.

[mvscal]

I guess you'll just have to settle for one of the top coaches in D1 football who, btw, has a pretty fair defense.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football ... s-defense/

[jiminphilly]

I guess you'll just have to settle for one of the top coaches in D1 football who, btw, has a pretty fair defense.

http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-football ... s-defense/

Steve Spurrier was one of the top D1 coaches when the skins hired him too. How'd that work out for them?
The Eagles don't even have an QB for Kelly's system.

[mvscal]

Steve Spurrier was one of the top D1 coaches when the skins hired him too. How'd that work out for them?

That's your argument against Chip Kelly? No wonder Philly fan is widely regarded as one of the biggest, whiniest tards in the NFL fanscape.

[jiminphilly]

Steve Spurrier was one of the top D1 coaches when the skins hired him too. How'd that work out for them?

That's your argument against Chip Kelly? No wonder Philly fan is widely regarded as one of the biggest, whiniest tards in the NFL fanscape.

No I'm just refuting your ridiculous argument that being a top D1 coach automatically makes someone a good coaching candidate for the NFL. And I'm pretty sure we're more known for lighting off flares, throwing snowballs at santa and beating up fans outside the stadium.

The Eagles don't a QB on their roster capable of running his system. This upcoming draft is one of, if not the WORST drafts in terms of QB talent. Their offensive line is filled with guys all coming back from significant injuries. Everyone raves about their offensive talent but with the exception of McCoy, is there anyone on the offensive side of the ball that scares you, even a little bit?

You are just like every other west coast fan- you read all the bull and hype that ESPN trots out about the Eagles being flush with talent without actually looking at the roster to form your own opinion.

[mvscal]

No I'm just refuting your ridiculous argument that being a top D1 coach automatically makes someone a good coaching candidate for the NFL.

Well you certainly failed to that. Of course that isn't surprising since it's a fucking brainless argument to begin with.

[Van]

You are just like every other west coast fan- you read all the bull and hype that ESPN trots out about the Eagles being flush with talent without actually looking at the roster to form your own opinion.

Just like every other west coast fan? ESPN is centered on the east coast. If proximity has anything to do with one's degree of knowledge, which seems to be your argument, wouldn't this mean that mean ESPN ought to know their shit regarding the Eagles' talent?

Not getting your point here. Whatever it is, one's locale has no bearing on anything.

[mvscal]

I think it's cool to use the no-huddle here and there, but again - doing it at such a hectic pace for long periods of time won't work.

Works pretty well for New England and they have very little speed on offense.

[Van]

Jim - I don't think there's any QB in the NFL who would have much success with it.

1. Defensive speed. Comparing Pac12 defenses to NFL defenses is like comparing a parrot dropping to a trillion dollars.

2. If it did work, everybody in the NFL would be running it now.

3. QB working this in the NFL would have a career spanning all of 4 games.

4. Dead defense after multiple 3 & outs.

5. Lots of 3 & outs.


I think it's cool to use the no-huddle here and there, but again - doing it at such a hectic pace for long periods of time won't work. It works for Oregon, only because they have offensive players that are a helluva lot faster than most of the Pac 12 defenses.

You constantly (and conveniently) seem to forget that the spread offense including the hurry-up spread has also worked quite well against SEC defenses. But yeah, it only works against "slow" Pac 12 defenses.

That being said, I agree that such an offense applied in nonstop fashion to the NFL will not work for too very long.

[mvscal]

So what makes you think Kelly will use it as much as he does in Oregon? Is he a robot or something?

[Van]

That being said, I agree that such an offense applied in nonstop fashion to the NFL will not work for too very long.

You have to have a monster QB, though. It worked well with Auburn with Cam. Without Cam - no. And I'm seriously worried about it this coming season as well.

It also worked well with Urban's Gators, Kelly's Ducks, Holgorsen's Mountaineers, and Manziel's Aggies. Nearly every time one of the SEC's killer defenses gave up significant yards and points, it was to a fast-paced spread offense.

[jiminphilly]

No I'm just refuting your ridiculous argument that being a top D1 coach automatically makes someone a good coaching candidate for the NFL.

Well you certainly failed to that. Of course that isn't surprising since it's a fucking brainless argument to begin with.

and yet it was your argument, not mine..

I guess you'll just have to settle for one of the top coaches in D1 football

I wanted the Eagles to hire Gus Johnson. Why? Because the defense fucking blows. I don't have to even prove that to you. The numbers speak for themselves. They haven't had a good defensive coach in 3 YEARS . It is EASILY the most glaring area of the team that needs improvement starting with the coaches and what better way to fix it than hire a defensive minded coach who has shown that ability?

Instead they went for a D1 coach who might be a fucking offensive genius when it comes to running the spread offense that he runs but unlike college, you just can't go and recruit one of the best players for that position anytime you want and have a successful offense.

[jiminphilly]

I wanted the Eagles to hire Gus Johnson.

Bradley.

We knew who you meant.

Fuck. I did that at work too.

[Van]

I'm sorry, but no matter who it is 'Gus' always sounds like a horse's name.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Not getting your point here. Whatever it is, one's locale has no bearing on anything.

His point is, ESPN will suck the dick of just about any team/player. I don't find them very objective and they hardly ever bash players or take "hard looks" at teams. Have you ever heard them call out Peyton Manning for being one of the greatest choke artists of his generation? How many times has he screwed the pooch during the playoffs after putting up MVP like numbers in the regular season? He shit his pants again this past weekend and I haven't really heard too much about it from ESPN.

Locally, there is usually a writer or two who has the balls to bash/be objective about his/her own team. ESPN only gives you fluff. Because they have to. You can't bash players/teams and televise their games.

I agree with Jim.

[Van]

That's all well and good, but it has nothing to do with mvscal being on the west coast while Philly is back east...along with ESPN's headquarters.

[mvscal]

RGIII is further proof of it.

The only thing that RGIII is proof of is that Mike Shanahan is an idiot for letting a seriously injured player continue in a game in which he was obviously struggling.

If the option worked as good in the NFL as it does in college - you'd see every team running it every play. NFL defensive speed blows it up.

The success of the read option or lack thereof in the NFL doesn't have much to do with the speed of the NFL. It has to do with coverage. You run man coverage against the RO and you will get torched like Green Bay did. You have to play zone to contain a read option quarterback.

In any event, there is no offense in the league that is all one thing or another. Everything is situational.

[Mikey]

RGIII is further proof of it.

The only thing that RGIII is proof of is that Mike Shanahan is an idiot for letting a seriously injured player continue in a game in which he was obviously struggling.

Even if he comes back 100% he won't finish next season unless he learns how to protect himself, i.e. slide, use the sideline, don't say "put me in coach" when your knee is already flopping around in directions it's not supposed to, and other little things that QBs with half a brain do to avoid injury.

[mvscal]

and yet it was your argument, not mine..

Ah, no. It was yours. Stop being a bitch. YOU brought up Spurrier as if he were the only bigtime college coach to transition to the NFL while conveniently ignoring coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Jim Harbaugh and even Pete Carroll.

And you do so in favor of...Gus Johnson? Who the fuck is Gus Johnson?

[mvscal]

Even if he comes back 100% he won't finish next season unless he learns how to protect himself, i.e. slide, use the sideline, don't say "put me in coach" when your knee is already flopping around in directions it's not supposed to, and other little things that QBs with half a brain do to avoid injury.

Yeah, that too. RGIII isn't completely blameless in his maiming, but the coach has to be the adult and shut him down.

[War Wagon]

is there anyone on the offensive side of the ball that scares you, even a little bit?

I'd trade you anybody on the Chiefs roster not named Jamal Charles or Dwayne Bowe for Jeremy Maclin.

Hell, I might even trade Bowe.

[War Wagon]

I'm sorry, but no matter who it is 'Gus' always sounds like a horse's name.

or Goob's favorite porn star.

[Van]

RGIII isn't completely blameless in his maiming, but the coach has to be the adult and shut him down.

Yep. The injured player will always try to play, especially a rookie looking to earn respect. It's on the coaches to sit him down.

[mvscal]

The injured player will always try to play, especially a rookie looking to earn respect.

Or a veteran trying to hold on to his job. Or a free agent trying to earn a job. Or a guy who is just too fucking competitive for his own good.

Griffen didn't have anything to prove in that game. Unfortunately, there have been players who have been unfairly criticized for sitting out of big games with an injury. Complainian Tomlinson and Gay Cuntler are two recent examples. They're both cunts for various reasons but I don't have any doubt that they would play if they possibly could if for no other reason than to gratify their egos.

I believe the coaching staff and team administration should take more responsibility in accounting for their investments. I wouldn't doubt that there is actuarial evidence to support that it's cheaper to replace broken players with fresh meat but that isn't exactly the most ethical approach to dealing with your product who just happen to be human beings playing a game.

[mvscal]

That wasn't a read option play. It was a designed off tackle run based on play action and was perfectly executed by the outside receiver who sprung the key block.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

That's all well and good, but it has nothing to do with mvscal being on the west coast while Philly is back east...along with ESPN's headquarters.

You're in dire need of a map and a compass.

Good luck with that...

[Van]

I am? You mean San Diego isn't on the west coast while ESPN's Bristol, CT headquarters and the city of Philadelphia share the same Eastern Time Zone?

Color me TVO'd.

[mvscal]

That was a read option - his first option was the HB.

If the ILB bites then he keeps and rolls -

Look at the line fire out - there is no option to pass on that play

There are no "options" at all. It was a designed QB run from the start. The ILB has to bite on the inside hand off. There is no 'if.' It was a well designed deception taking full advantage of a mobile QB and good blocking from the WR. Nothing new there.

[Screw_Michigan]

Even if he comes back 100% he won't finish next season unless he learns how to protect himself, i.e. slide, use the sideline, don't say "put me in coach" when your knee is already flopping around in directions it's not supposed to, and other little things that QBs with half a brain do to avoid injury.

Yeah, that too. RGIII isn't completely blameless in his maiming, but the coach has to be the adult and shut him down.

Rack.

Also, how many head coaching interview requests for Kyle Shananan have you heard since the Skins loss to Seattle? Answer? ZERO. Because those were all bullshit reports out of Ashburn in the first place. No one wanted to interview Shanahan Jr, Ashburn wanted to try to drum up some interest so they had their Official ESPN 980 Team Reporter claim they had to deny teams access to Shanahan Jr during the stretch run.

Fuck I hate this team.

[jiminphilly]

and yet it was your argument, not mine..

Ah, no. It was yours. Stop being a bitch. YOU brought up Spurrier as if he were the only bigtime college coach to transition to the NFL while conveniently ignoring coaches like Jimmy Johnson, Jim Harbaugh and even Pete Carroll.

And you do so in favor of...Gus Johnson? Who the fuck is Gus Johnson?

I brought up Spurrier after YOU brought up the stupid notion that just because he was a successful D1 coach that it should automatically mean his hiring should be accepted on that basis alone. Do I need to requote what you said again?

I mentioned Spurrier as an example and I can toss out Butch Davis, Bobby Petrino, Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley (remember him) too.

Gus BRADLEY (happy you twat) has a proven track record in the NFL and it's easily the most important area on the Eagles team that needs to be fixed.

[jiminphilly]

I am? You mean San Diego isn't on the west coast while ESPN's Bristol, CT headquarters and the city of Philadelphia share the same Eastern Time Zone?

Color me TVO'd.

What does that have to do with anything? My point was to highlight the fact that people outside of Philly (and a host of other cities) rely on ESPN for their news about the Eagles only to get the softest coverage for the exact reasons Ucant mentioned. The reality is, if you want to get to know what the REAL issues are of any NFL team, ignore the national coverage and find the beat writer from the local papers and get the real scoop and form an opinion and not one molded by the blowhards out to get ratings and not much else.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Gus Johnson? Who the fuck is Gus Johnson?

RISE AND FIRE! BAM!!

This is an interesting hire. I have no clue if it will work out or not. All I know is Kelly will need to make changes to personnel, and Philly needs to be patient during that process, and patience isn't exactly something NFL owners and GMs have a lot of. Can't just can the guy after two blah seasons unless the wheels completely fall off.

I don't know if his Oregon offense would have sustained success in the NFL, but the guy is an offensive genius. It's not like he's incapable of adapting and making changes if the situation demands. Perhaps he'll run more of a traditional offense with the zone-read sprinkled in.

[mvscal]

YOU brought up the stupid notion that just because he was a successful D1 coach that it should automatically mean his hiring should be accepted on that basis alone.

Who the fuck else do you want to hire? Somebody who wasn't successful?

[mvscal]

There are no "options" at all. It was a designed QB run from the start. The ILB has to bite on the inside hand off. There is no 'if.' It was a well designed deception taking full advantage of a mobile QB and good blocking from the WR. Nothing new there.

What the ILB does is dependent on the what the defense call is. Teams don't play base every play
If the ILB is dropping into coverage or stunting off tackle then the handoff goes to the HB - that's one of the the "reads"

The entire Oregon offense is based on a read call that gives the QB and HB the option of which hole to attack.
The 49ers are running that same exact read on that TD run

Stop trying to pretend like you're a coach or something. You aren't. You're talking out your ass and embarassing yourself.

[Dinsdale]

There are no "options" at all. It was a designed QB run from the start. The ILB has to bite on the inside hand off. There is no 'if.' It was a well designed deception taking full advantage of a mobile QB and good blocking from the WR. Nothing new there.

What the ILB does is dependent on the what the defense call is. Teams don't play base every play
If the ILB is dropping into coverage or stunting off tackle then the handoff goes to the HB - that's one of the the "reads"

The entire Oregon offense is based on a read call that gives the QB and HB the option of which hole to attack.
The 49ers are running that same exact read on that TD run

Stop trying to pretend like you're a coach or something. You aren't. You're talking out your ass and embarassing yourself.

Yup.

The Kelly offense, in its Oregon form (New Hampshire was almost all pass options, due to personnel), is absolutely, 100%, not up for discussion, a read option of the DE.

Scrote is pulling the ILB thing out of his ass. And there was no zone blocking on that Niners play. Doesn't even vaguely resemble what Oregon does.

If you want to get into more detail, we certainly can. Heck, I can even talk to my 24/7 travelling partner to get all the correct Kelly terminology... that he learned at the multiple Kelly Coaches' Camps he's attended. (Homeboy is playing in the Developmental League this upcoming season, and just landed an assistant coaching gig at a HS this season... RACK him.)


But most of y'all's don't know WTF you're talking about. As far as "his system" working in the NFL... where the fuck do you think the Redskins came up with their offense? Zone blocking that leaves a DE/OLB unblocked? That's only been used in one place before this season... by Kelly. None of you seem to be getting that point.

The idea is to play 11-on-10. Works beautifully in college... and even in the NFL... with a 21 year old QB. Non-rookie QBs aren't going to be able to outrun NFL DE's (who are all super-fast)... so the Redskins, and the Eagles should they go with that scheme, better have about 12 QBs under the age of 23 on the roster.

As far as New England running the hurry up this year... you'll never guess who came to their camp this last offseason and taught them how to make the playcalls... I'll give you a hint: He's buddies with Hoody, and his initials are CK.


Chip is either going to reinvent NFL football, or be a miserable flop. Either way, he can go fuck himself.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

ESPN's Bristol, CT headquarters and the city of Philadelphia share the same Eastern Time Zone?

So what? Do they share the same city? The same state? Is Philadelphia even in New England?

For a "bright" guy, you are really fucking obtuse sometimes. Jim never used the word proximity. You did. It's not about proximity… not really. You’re close, but you still don’t get it. If you don't actually live inside the area where people talk, write, do tv/radio shows about a specific team, you're unlikely to get non-fluff pieces about the team. You're unlikely to have the same 'insider knowledge' of the team.

Using your same fucked up rationale, being a Kansas resident means you have a greater likelihood to know more about the Eagles than someone living in San Diego, because Kansas is MUCH closer to Philadelphia. It's all about proximity, right, you flipping retard?

Uhm, no, it's not. Here’s the point that you cannot seem to grasp. If you live ‘outside the area’ and only read/listen to ESPN’s bullshit, if you don’t do your own homework, you’re unlikely to have an informed opinion on any team. And it doesn’t really matter ‘how close’ you are to the team, unless you’re REALLY CLOSE. Being “Kansas close” over “San Diego close” is not good enough.

You’re so hung up on him bashing West Coasters when he could have named any other region not near Philadelphia and used the same logic. Too bad for you, you fuckers are notorious for barely giving a shit about your own local teams, never-mind having any knowledge whatsoever of teams not on your coast. So I get this whole righteous indignation thing you’re so lamely trying to pull off here. Word of advice here, bitch, just shut the fuck up. You’re failing. Badly.

[Van]

Ucan't, the point which you're so obstinately refusing to see is that it doesn't matter where you're from, you're only going to have the media to rely on. People in San Diego, Kansas City, Bristol or even Philadelphia all have equal access to the same information. Does the local beat reporter know more of the ins and outs of his team than, say, Sal Palantonio does? Sure. Does the average Philadelphian know that beat reporter personally? No. Does the average person attend Philly's practices and meetings? No.

The average person merely reads what the media feeds him, whether it's from Sal Palantonio or from some local beat writer. And guess what? In the Age of the Internet, that local beat writer's stories are available to all and sundry.

Try as you might with this silly tough guy act you've adopted lately, it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't get it. Had Jim targeted someone from Boise or Birmingham instead of mvscal in San Diego, my response would have been exactly the same: no fan is an insider, and proximity to his team does not matter for shit.

Sorry that I had to spell it out for you. You're normally reasonably quick on the uptake. I guess all this tough guy posturing must be dulling your synaptic firings.

[Dinsdale]

What do you think the zone blocking assignments are?

Watch the video you posted again. The linemen block a man, not an area.

"Zone blocking assignments"?

I don't think "zone blocking" means what you think it means.