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mvscal wrote:Absolutely. Please don't misconstrue this as some kind of an attack. I'm merely extending an olive branch in an effort to increase understanding across this all too frequently acrimonious political divide.

Bizzarofelice wrote:I'm rocking a Schlafly Helles style Summer Lager. Not too hoppy. Grilled chicken and Kale for dinner. and Twizzlers.

mvscal wrote:What? No Obama voters willing to share their reasons for voting for the jug-eared cretin? I promise I will treat your opinions gently and with respect.

Jsc810 wrote:(2) I want Obama to make the next appointments to the SCOTUS.

I trust that is sufficient material for you to come up with another creative insult.

Jsc810 wrote:I voted for McCain last time but will be voting for Obama this time. I'll give two reasons:

(1) the Republicans disgust me; and
(2) I want Obama to make the next appointments to the SCOTUS.

I trust that is sufficient material for you to come up with another creative insult.

mvscal wrote:The question is...why?

Diego in Seattle wrote:

mvscal wrote:Absolutely. Please don't misconstrue this as some kind of an attack. I'm merely extending an olive branch in an effort to increase understanding across this all too frequently acrimonious political divide.

I haven't smelled this much bullshit since the last time I drove through Kettleman City on I-5.

Jsc810 wrote: I told you, I became disgusted with the Republicans.

I posted this link in another thread, here it is again.

Toddowen wrote:

smackaholic wrote:
WTF happened.

smackaholic wrote:

Jsc810 wrote:I voted for McCain last time but will be voting for Obama this time. I'll give two reasons:

(1) the Republicans disgust me; and
(2) I want Obama to make the next appointments to the SCOTUS.

I trust that is sufficient material for you to come up with another creative insult.

I just don't get you Chip. You did seem to be a middle of the road republican, awhile back. Now, you appear to be a hard left lib.

WTF happened.

Diego in Seattle wrote:I think your first question should be where would Reagan fit into the republican party

mvscal wrote:That's about as dumb as suggesting that Jim Brown couldn't play in the modern NFL.

KC Scott wrote:If either candidate wants my vote - here's what I want:

- fix business in this country. It's not hard. Incentivize companies to put Americans back to work. The fucking interest rate isn't gonna get any lower, so borrow money, build shit and sell it. Tax breaks for hiring Americans. Simple shit

- Fix the income tax code. Enact a FLAT FUCKING TAX. 3 brackets - 15%, 20% and 25% at 70K / 250K / Over 250K. Eliminate all deductions except for kids, charity and home interest (which should eventually be phased out after the housing market recovers. I hate H&R fucking block, but have to pay them $800+ every stinking year since my return looks like a fucking encyclopedia

- Privatize Social Security and give an opt out to anyone in the system to convert it to a private IRA. This does a couple things – Not the least of which should give an overall boost to the stock market when folks actually have more than a few shit mutual funds to decide from.

- Medicaid / Medicare – fucking privatize it. Let HCA, Aetna and the rest of the insurance companies buy the accounts from the Gov. then let them compete on the premiums. If they don’t make it affordable for average joe then regulate it just like utilities

- Welfare / Food stamps / ADC: require anyone getting any Govt. assistance to actually do something – whether it’s taking a course online or picking up trash on the side of the road. Something to make either themselves or their state town better

- Tell the allies to Cowboy up and take care of their own asses. Build their own missile shields, guard their own borders, protect their own Govts./ regimes, etc. Just quit expecting us to do – or pay us for doing it.

- Get the fuck out of personal lives. Quit kowtowing to the religious right. Legalize anything anyone wants to do as long as the only people it affects are those that choose to engage in it.

- Wake the fuck up on energy – We have more Nat gas than we know what to do with. Embrace this and you’ll put a shitload of people back to work. While we’re ramping up – quit blocking deep water drilling and hydro fracking for oil. Fuck the middle east oil and get out of that shit now

/ end rant

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Open Inquiry to Mormons



The question is...why?

Bizzarofelice wrote:lot of dumb in this thread

Jsc810 wrote:I voted for McCain last time but will be voting for Obama this time.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Open Inquiry to Mormons



The question is...why?

Bizzarofelice wrote:wow. fraud and liar. you sure got riled up thinking about that guy. he musta done you all sorts of wrong.

fraud and liar?

KC Scott wrote:

smackaholic wrote:

KC Scott wrote:If either candidate wants my vote - here's what I want:

- fix business in this country. It's not hard. Incentivize companies to put Americans back to work. The fucking interest rate isn't gonna get any lower, so borrow money, build shit and sell it. Tax breaks for hiring Americans. Simple shit

And just how the hell do you incentivize anything? Government needs to stop incentivizing EVERYTHING, because that requires some fukk to decide who gets what tax break. There should be a simple low income tax. There should be no corporate tax, period. I would start it at 2% on the first motherfukking dollar you make. Get some skin in the game. I

Well Tardo, it's pretty simple. If you have factories / offices here, you pay a lower corp tax rate. For every bit of revenue generated fromfactories offices outside USA you pay a higher rate. Elimination of Corporate taxes moves that burden to the population unless of course you want to see us go into default as a country.

Corps don't pay taxes. People, pay taxes. End corporate taxes, period. If you try to squeeze companies overseas operations too hard, they figure out a way to not pay taxes on them period. Shouldn't be that tough, considering they are already overseas. I think we should have more aggressive tariffs on countries with which we run big trade deficits. That would be an incentive to bringing the work back here.

- Fix the income tax code. Enact a FLAT FUCKING TAX. 3 brackets - 15%, 20% and 25% at 70K / 250K / Over 250K. Eliminate all deductions except for kids, charity and home interest (which should eventually be phased out after the housing market recovers. I hate H&R fucking block, but have to pay them $800+ every stinking year since my return looks like a fucking encyclopedia

Why just 3 steps? I would start it at a low 2% for poor fukks. Start slowly stepping it up to about 30% for incomes in excess of 500K. I would eliminate ALL deductions. Why the fukk should I subsidize you if you want to have 7 kids or a 500K mortgage. Subsidizing huge fukking mortgages with tax deductions is part of what got us where we are now. I also think we should do away with single/married tax rates. Once again, it comes down to the government getting the fukking fukk out of my bidness.

OK no deductions for kids. Expect to see a reduction in the overall birth rate among us white folks who pay at a higher rate under your therom. Also expect to see No impact on the birth rates of the balcks, spics etc. of those paying that puny 2% rate you espouse. Expect to be the minority sooner than 20240. And also expect to see your suburbs fall into decay even sooner by eliminationg the home mortgage deduction as we transition into a transient society of renters

Were you really stupid enough to procreate for a tax deduction? I think that the number of people that factor tax status into their family planning is pretty much zero. As for buying a home, I think the same applies. And if it didn't, you still haven't explained why the fukk you want me to help pay your overinflated mortgage through a tax deduction. And let's say folks decide to all become renters. What would happen? Rents would go up, property values would drop. Then more would buy. Ain't it funny how that free market dealio seems to work every time it's tried? BTW, I own a home. I haven't used my mortgage deduction in a number of years because I don't owe that much. Not owing much, is kind of a good thing. We should be promoting it, not being in hock out our asses, hoping for huge property value increases to get us back rightside up on our mortgages. To those out there that seem to think big property value run ups is a good thing, why do you hate the next generation of prospective homeowners so much?

When it comes to property values, what we should have is steady valuations that basically keep pace with inflation.

- Privatize Social Security and give an opt out to anyone in the system to convert it to a private IRA. This does a couple things – Not the least of which should give an overall boost to the stock market when folks actually have more than a few shit mutual funds to decide from.

I think there should be a low across the board deduction that everyone pays into for a low SS stipend. Everything above and beyond that should be just as you say.

Why? What purpose would that SS stipend serve except to someone who opts out? If you opt out you're forgoing any future benefit so why should you pay anything in?

there will be some that opt out who's investments go south or blow it on hookers and coke. This would be enough for a subsistence existence for them.

- Medicaid / Medicare – fucking privatize it. Let HCA, Aetna and the rest of the insurance companies buy the accounts from the Gov. then let them compete on the premiums. If they don’t make it affordable for average joe then regulate it just like utilities

medicaid should be regular old commie style gubmint run. It should be a bare motherfukking bones system. Customers would have zero ability to sue. You want something for free, you get what you pay for. Even with this low level of service, I would tally up a bill for these fukking mooches to pay off as best they can, when they can.

You just came out in favor of Obooga care there, whether you know it or not. Buying the insurance is the tallying up part..

No fan of Oboooga care. His quasi-private cluster fukk is similar to what you are suggesting. In my system, everyone would have the option of purchasing their own levels of insurance. If they didn't have insurance/the means to pay out of pocket, they go to the really barebones gubmint run mill. I would staff it with health professionals that had their edumacashums subsidized.

- Welfare / Food stamps / ADC: require anyone getting any Govt. assistance to actually do something – whether it’s taking a course online or picking up trash on the side of the road. Something to make either themselves or their state town better

rickety rack. you get nothing for nothing. the same would go for unimprovement errrrrr unemployment benefits.

Except for the fact your employer pays in for your unemployment benefits insurance. Unless you espouse eliminating that

nope. i wouldn't eliminate it. i would just do something to attempt to lower the rampant fraud that exists currently. Just because you or somebody pays for an insurance, doesn't give you the right to defraud it. And sitting home on your ass collecting while there is a job out therefor you, is fraud, IMO. If you think this is not the case, try burning your crib to the ground so the insurance co. will buy you a new one. I mean, fukkk, you paid for it, right?

- Tell the allies to Cowboy up and take care of their own asses. Build their own missile shields, guard their own borders, protect their own Govts./ regimes, etc. Just quit expecting us to do – or pay us for doing it.

Since you didn't comment on this I'll take that as your seal approval and will expect your vote when I run for Benevolent Leader sometime in the future

aren't you the sharp cookie.

- Get the fuck out of personal lives. Quit kowtowing to the religious right. Legalize anything anyone wants to do as long as the only people it affects are those that choose to engage in it.

still not real sure what all this kowtowing is other than their desire that fags be kowtowed to or that there be absolutely no restrictions on abortion. I am the furthest thing from religious, but, I do believe that whacking a viable fetus is wrong and those feti deserve some protection.

Regarding abortion - That's beacuse you're either a hypocrite or an idiot. You wanna see the kid born, but don't want to pay for it's food or eduction but do want to pay for it when it burglarizes you're hovel and we lock it up for 20 years. Just Brilliant

don't let your steaming partner catch you butchering possessive pronoun spelling like that. he'd get...well....steamed.

Regarding the Fags - didn't you just say something earlier about Govt. getting out of your private life?

i sure did. govt should stay out of their bizz and they should stay out of the bizz of those of us who think they're fukked and would just as soon not associate with them.

- Wake the fuck up on energy – We have more Nat gas than we know what to do with. Embrace this and you’ll put a shitload of people back to work. While we’re ramping up – quit blocking deep water drilling and hydro fracking for oil. Fuck the middle east oil and get out of that shit now

Again you must totally agree with this - so get busy printing up my campaign flyers

Atomic Punk wrote:Take a look at mvscal's...

Bizzarofelice wrote:

Atomic Punk wrote:Take a look at mvscal's...

stop hiding behind mvscal's skirt, cunt.


why do you think Obama is a fraud and a liar?