BSmack wrote:
I've had plenty of drives made by both companies. Yet the one that HP assembled turned to shit.
I'm neither defending or attacking HP, but chances are, the Average Joe has dealt with more HPs, and therefore has more anecdotal info on HPs.
I worked for an outfit that supplied a very very large company that everyone here is familiar with with their PCs (so many users, they went through as many as 30,000 a year). I handled literally hundreds of PCs a week, installing the Windows image. We could often tell when the HD wasn't right (we weren't responsible for warrantying them, so we'd beat on the noisy ones to get them to run and get it out the door -- working at a very small markup, large volume, and having to deal with a defective box resulted in a loss, and it wasn't our problem). While to HD is always the most likely source of a defect, since it has moving parts, it's still very rare. I could go days without finding one.
Although I won't even try to give anecdotal testimony (since I wasn't keeping stats, anecdotal would be all it is), but I don't think it was radically different from the Lenovos.
Like the way that HP cases are designed to make upgrading all but impossible.
First, HP ended the ultra-proprietary case stuff a few years ago. I think Dell (worst offender ever) gave up on that, too.
HP offers quite a few different case designs, some of them are as expandable as anything else, the workstation-oriented boxes, not so much. And nobody else's SFF is any better.
Other side of the coin, HP has always been the innovaters of case design that other companies emulate.
Matter of fact, HP now has the ultra-slim-form-factor (I believe it's USFF, but I could be mistaken), where the power supply is an external brick like a laptop, which makes the case much smaller, and makes the case cool better.... more BODE for HP cases (but forget about adding anything to those cases, but for an office environment, that's not what the purchasers are looking for).
Now go ahead and give me the classic first grader defense of "uh, but everybody else does that too" and I will tell you that I don't give a damn what others are doing.
What's "classic first grader" is saying "HP sucks because _____," and before the fact claim that any comparison to other equivalent products is irrelevant.
As far as buying bulk el-cheapos, few companies can compete with either the price or quality/functionality of HP. Lenovo gives it a whirl. We did ship a bunch of Dell netbooks, but they won a huge contract, and were able to keep their price down (and had some annoying quirks on our end), and I don't think HP or Lenovo was positioned to ship out cheap netbooks at that time.
Here in grownup land, we are talking about how crappy HP is, not how crappy everybody is.
Disagree. HP just dominates the el-cheapo office machine market, and therefore, they have more el-cheapos out there. They offer a wide range of products, and you'll get what you pay for, to an extent. Since there's more bottom-of-the-line HPs out there than any other brand, of course consumers will see more failures of low-end HPs. Simple math.
And again, I've handled literally thousands of cheap HPs. If a person is trying to buy something at the very bottom of the price range, HP is the way to go. Lenovo isn't a bad choice either, but the don't go after the low-end home user market like HP does.
I've tried saying I can't understand your accent and been transferred to the US.
