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Did he just go Benedict Arnold on America?

I'm hoping somebody can explain to me why Scott Brown voted for the Obongo Jobs Bill. Perferribly somebody as smart as mvscal.

Bwahah! Eat shit, teabaggers.

don't know enough about the bill to comment one way or another. that article painted it as largely a small bidness tax break. i am all for tax break, but, the problem is, most are targeted.

i'm fukking sick of being targeted.

all tax policy should consist of you pay X%. end of story.

smackaholic wrote: all tax policy should consist of you pay X%. end of story.

No.

There's a Census Bureau. Use it. State A has X% of the US population. State A is responsibe for that same X% of the federal budget. State A collects that however it's voters see fit. The Treasury gets 51 tax returns (DC), and the IRS is no more.

Anything else is stupidity.

Glen Beck is talking about it right now on his radio show.


All my questions should be answered soon.

Stanley Q. Pickkkle wrote:Glen Beck is talking about it right now on his radio show.


I should be swallowing another load soon.

FTFY

That guy? Dude's a slobbering, lisping feeb.

Sin,

You are the traitor, Peekle - but Tyrone will be around shortly to sodomize the traitor right out of you.

no, he is not.

he's a guy who understands that neither party is correct 100% of the time.

he's a quasi joe lieberman

I endorse PL's assessment and wish to say Hello PL, long time no see. Good to see you kicking around still.

This is the problem and danger with Independents - they have no principles. So Brown votes for a jobs bill that aint a jobs bill. Who the fuck hires a full time employee for 12 months just to make good a 1000 dollar tax credit? Answer: None. And even if jobs are created, at best the jobs created are temporary because the only reason they exist is a temporary tax credit.

This is the problem and danger with Independents - they have no principles.

Shut the fuck up, idiot.

You first.

Independents don't have principles. They pick and choose based only on the moment. That makes then unpredictable, hence, dangerous.

Do you have a point?

"tax credits" should receive a constitutional ban. they are preferential treatment by congressional shitstains that think they know who should pay what.

if i were king, i'd fire about 95% of the IRS. I would get rid of every single tax deduction there is.

why the fukk does someone get a tax credit for buying too much house (mortgage interest deduction), then, they turn around and give a deduction for alleged energy conservation expenditures such as new windows?

so, while i get a crappy deduction for my older house, because i paid my loan down quicker, some shitstain in a 5000 sq ft mcmansion gets a big deduction for carrying a large mortgage and he gets one for "being green" when he buys 20,000 bucks worth of replacement windows. So what if he's still using way more energy than I am.

dins, your idea of allowing each state to collect as they see fit would be fine with me because it would give us the ability to pack up and move if we thought our state was doing a shitty job at it.

JMak wrote:You first.

Independents don't have principles. They pick and choose based only on the moment. That makes then unpredictable, hence, dangerous.

Do you have a point?

so, being a party line lemming is better?

the fukking republicrats have you trained well.

JMak,

That's nonsense and based upon the presumption that ONE party has a monopoly on what is RIGHT for America.

With the two teams at play, of late, you can find more and more socialist minded folks with an "R" next to their name. It is the so called "Conservative" pundits on the radio and t.v. corralling people to vote Republican and Republican only so that a "triangulation" circa 1992 doesn't take place again. It's bullshit.

The Republican Party has, itself, been triangulated and infiltrated by the racist scum of the Democratic Party AND socialists.

Both of you are fucking idiots. Where did I say anything about hewing to the GOP line or suggest one party has it right? I didn't. Fucking read. I was responding to the question of whether Brown is a traitor. I said he's unprincipled. And he is.

Because of that he got duped into voting for a jobs bill that doesn't create jobs at all but creates artificial demand that disappears next year...along with whatever jobs someone lyingly alleges were created. Had Brown any principle whatsoever he'd have explicitly ackonwledged that and then voted against it.

You don't create jobs via government tax credits. Its that fucking simple.

Wrong. You made a blanket statement that Independents DO NOT HAVE principles. From that the implication that you support the two party ping pong game being played is not that much of a reach.

Personally, I think they're some of the most principled members of the house and senate. The two parties themselves each maintain one principle "We're right, you're wrong, Constitution be damned".

As it relates to Scott Brown.

1. Did he represent HIS constituency ?
2. Did he violate his oath to the Constitution ?

JMak wrote:Independents don't have principles.

They simply don't share your principles, dumbfuck. Exactly who the in the fuck were you expecting, Tom Coburn? Brown is as good is as it's going to get for a Republican in Massachewshits. If he only votes with the party 40% of time, you're still ahead in the game so sit down and shut the fuck up, idiot.

Tom, you're acting foolish. Both parties have a single princple? Whatthefuckever! I'm not saying Brown is a traitor. I'm saying wtf did you expect from a guy who is asserting that he's an independent? He ran as a Republican on a platform that hewed against wasteful govt stimulus spending. Now that he's there he's sporting an independent streak and voted to proceed with a second stimulus bill. He did so and could only by chucking his so-called Republican party ident and principles. He's like Lieberman, Lincoln, Nelson, Snowe, Bayh and others that abandon their principles to fluff their so-called independence.

Independents do not have principles. They pick and choose depending on the wind and nothing else. Which means their susceptible to playing to populism rather than reason.

And, no, I'm not invested in the two-party system, though I don't subscribe nearly as much to their supposed evil that you and others do.

Mvscal, fuck that. I know you get what I'm talking about you wannabe contrarian. I don't agree at all with dems, libs, progressives, but I recognize that they have principles and values that guide their political actions. Guys like Lieberman, Spectre, et al just play to populism to appear above it all. No, they are weak-assed bitches that lack confidence in themselves. And Brown was clearly voted in on broad opposition to Obama's econ plans. He would no price for voting against this bullshit jobs bill. Instead he tried to play the I'm an independent card. I wonder why he wsnt playing that game when raking in millions from Republicans and Democrats that supported his broad opposition to Obama???

Fuck you tools...you're sops to this nonsensical charade of independent politicians...

JMak wrote:He ran as a Republican on a platform that hewed against wasteful govt stimulus spending. Now that he's there he's sporting an independent streak and voted to proceed with a second stimulus bill. He did so and could only by chucking his so-called Republican party ident and principles.

Then you obviously weren't listening to what he was saying during the election. Since when are party line Republicans against "wasteful government stimulus spending" anyway? I'd say that vote puts him in line with the mainsteam of the party.

Wake the fuck up, idiot. He is a moderate Republican, said he was a moderate Republican and was elected office on the basis that he was a moderate Republican. If you were expecting anything else, you had your head stuck up your ass.

JMak wrote:Which means their susceptible to playing to populism rather than reason.

Politicians bending to the will of the people?

Outrageous.

Dr. D wrote:Mvscal, fuck that. I know you get what I'm talking about you wannabe contrarian.

If ever there was a guy who was a bonafide contrarian and not a wannabe, it's mvscal.

Kinda like BYU doing that ridiculous haka dance before each game, mvscal probably starts off each day by thoroughly and colorfully cussing himself out as he takes his morning dump.

Brown ran against Obama's wasteful stimulus spending. Period. But then he votes to proceed on this second stimulus.

Mvscal, I wasn't talking about party line Republicans. I was talking about Brown and what he ran on and what he voted for. Stick with the discussion.

Brown didn't equivocate on spending during his campaign. Hence, his vote yesterday was indefensible, except if you run the independent nonsense that he did.

No bill is perfect? Can't get everything you want in a single bill? But, of course, dolts. He's fighting a strawman. He voted for it and the wasteful spending and idiotic tax provisions despite his clear campaigning to the contrary. Had he any political principals then reason would have won out. I just hope this was a one-off...

JMak wrote:I was talking about Brown and what he ran on and what he voted for.

And you don't have a fucking clue about what he ran on.

Brown tells AP he'll sometimes side with Democrats


BOSTON — Scott Brown says he has already told Senate Republican leaders they won't always be able to count on his vote.

The man who staged an upset in last week's Massachusetts Senate special election, in part by pledging to be the 41st GOP vote against President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that he staked his claim in early conversations with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Whip Jon Kyl.

"I already told them, you know, 'I got here with the help of a close group of friends and very little help from anyone down there, so there'll be issues when I'll be with you and there are issues when I won't be with you,'" Brown said Thursday during the half-hour interview. "So, I just need to look at each vote and then make a proper analysis and then decide."

Asked how McConnell and Kyl responded, Brown said, "They understood. They said, 'You can probably do whatever you want, Scott. And, so, just let us know where your head's at, and we'll talk it through, and just keep us posted.'"

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/br ... 85834.html

mvscal wrote:
Then you obviously weren't listening to what he was saying during the election. Since when are party line Republicans against "wasteful government stimulus spending" anyway? I'd say that vote puts him in line with the mainsteam of the party.

Wake the fuck up, idiot. He is a moderate Republican, said he was a moderate Republican and was elected office on the basis that he was a moderate Republican. If you were expecting anything else, you had your head stuck up your ass.

UNFUKKKING BELIEVEABLE!

I JUST FUKKKING KNEW MVSCAL WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD EXPLAIN IT....AND IN THE LEAST AMOUNT OF WORDS TOO!



I LISTENED TO GLEN BECK, HANNITY, RUSH, CNN, FOX...AND ALL YOU GIBBERING DUMBFUKKKS....AND NOTHING STILL MADE ANY SENSE....



ALONG COMES MVSCAL AND IN TWO MOTHERFUKKKEN SENTENCES.....HE ANSWERS ALL MY QUESTIONS.




I AM IN AMAZEMENT AT HIS GREATNESS....I REALLY REALLY HONESTLY AM IN AMAZEMENT!


ALL HAIL...MVSCAL!

JWack wrote:Independents do not have principles. They pick and choose depending on the wind and nothing else. Which means their susceptible to playing to populism rather than reason.

I've always known you are an idiot, but never realized you are a COMPLETE idiot.

Thanks for the lesson.

Hilarious, mvscal. Your little article there doesn't contradict anything I posted. I commented that Brown explicitly campaigned against Obama's stimulus. The bill he just voted is stimulus 2.0.

Even funnier is the quote Brown regarding making a proper analysis...I'm confident he didn't perform any analysis of this bill other than he's getting the bipartisan shit out of the way with the big health care bill coming next. He couldn't very well keep the independent cred by going 0 for 3 against Obama right off the bat (NLTB appointment, stim 2, and then health care).

So, in sum, he's not really for or against anything...quite gutless in my opinion.

JMak wrote:You first.

Independents don't have principles. They pick and choose based only on the moment. That makes then unpredictable, hence, dangerous.

Do you have a point?

No we make decisions based on whether or not the Republican is an actual conservative or a bible thumping traditionalist loon. We make decisions based on whether or not the democrat actually has a social agenda and plan or is a liberal rights activist. Go fuck yourself...

Independents can go fuck themselves...they're spineless jelly fish lacking the self-confidence to even have a take. They prefer to sit on the sidelines and then jump in on shit like this jobs bill with stupid provisions like a tax credit for hiring somebody. It takes a real fucking idiot to believe that what the economy needs right is government-subsidized demand to bring back jobs...that by itself should have sunk this bill for anyone slightly concerned with jobs.

JMak wrote:I commented that Brown explicitly campaigned against Obama's stimulus. The bill he just voted is stimulus 2.0.

He explicitly campaigned against the heathcare reform bill, you stupid fucking tard.

Scott Brown on healthcare reform: whole plan should be scrapped

Scott Brown said Sunday that he would work with President Obama on pocketbook issues like $33 billion in tax cuts to businesses that hire. But he sees no future for the healthcare reform bill.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2 ... e-scrapped

JWack wrote:Independents can go fuck themselves...they're spineless jelly fish lacking the self-confidence to even have a take.

THIS independent is independent for the very reason that I DO have a take, you ridiculous fuck.

Sheeple are the only people with principles.

-JSuck

My apologies to those I offended for pointing out that their political behavior depend on sticking their finger in the air.

Jmak getting his ass handed to him, check.

Jmak sounding like a blithering idiot, check.

Jmak, in summary, is a clueless, pitiful, insecure dumbfuck.


Jmak, do you kiss before you hump your sheep?

What is Derek and the Dominoes?

I knew that, Sam. It was a joke.

No, just another of Screwball's pathetic attempts to be funny.

Goober McTuber wrote:No, just another of Screwball's pathetic attempts to be funny.

Roach wrote: Ok pop quiz Karnak style:

The answer is "Name a late 60's album done by Clapton, Baker, Winwood, and Grech."

There's the joke you fucking idiot.