Can Omuslim correct these problem's ?

[Derron]

Ok ...Omuslim kool aid drinkers....enlighten us with the plan...

" He will take on the insurance companies and force them to provide health insurance to everyone " ??

This add says he will take on the insurance companies...Bwwwaaahaaaa...as soon as all his home boys in Congress decide that is the thing to do...

Can he do anything about government spending ?? in particular the labor cost of all forms of government employees ?

Nobody says anything about how government has raised the cost of everything .....labor costs for most government agencies are 80% or higher of the total budget explain how that works .....going to take that shit back from them ?? full family health care ??

Not after the unions elected your ass...of course we can just socialize the entire health care delivery system..that should go over real well....

Can your Messiah get all this shit straight ?? ....

Labor has the public works contracts so stuffed with pork it is unreal....we just lined up at the trough for one...fucking double the price of a private project of similar size...I will be make more working as an equipment operator than owner of the fucking company...

Wheres the fucking Democratic Congress at ?? Cunt Pelosi might call them back ?? Save the fucking free world with your actions now Democrats....

[Nishlord]

[BSmack]

Labor has the public works contracts so stuffed with pork it is unreal....we just lined up at the trough for one...fucking double the price of a private project of similar size...I will be make more working as an equipment operator than owner of the fucking company...

As it should be. At last in one aspect of our society real labor is valued more than capital.

[PSUFAN]

How is cutting people a 5K check - so they can go and buy a 72" plasma TV - a better plan? The minute they need health care, they'll be putting their hands right back into the government cookie jar.

[Invictus]

Derron, was Obama going to a Christian church for 20 years some sort of sleeper cell plan to infiltrate the country? After he takes the oath of office is he going to scream "walalalalalala" and say "Allah u akbar?"

You are fascinatingly retarded.

I'm going to start calling you Gandalf.

[Cuda]

Yowsah!

[Felix]

Nobody says anything about how government has raised the cost of everything

government raised the cost of everything

happy now?

[Mikey]

I'm pretty sure that he'll never be able to convince certain dumbfucks that you don't use an apostrophe when adding an "s" to a word to make it plural.

[Jerkovich]

fUCK THAT PUNK! I WAS THE FIRST BLACK POTUS!

SIN,

[Felix]

the "wisdom" of raising capital gains taxes in the current business environment not to mention all his other idiotic tax schemes.

I'm with you dude...I think we need deeper and deeper tax cuts and we need to increase our military spending by another 1,000% or so...maybe invest multiple billions into some useless weapons systems and start being aggressive towards countries that are capable of inflicting serious damage....starting a couple more wars would probably have us back on the road to financial freedom in no time....

I like the way you think

[Felix]

That would be the intelligent thing to do in a down economy, yes.

absolutely, and when we need to fix highways and shit we can just borrow more money, after all, it's just debt that our kids (and their kids and their kids kids, and their kids, kids, kids, etc.) will be more than happy to foot the bill for-that's the American way...and what with our robust economy I'm sure the number of countries lining up to loan us money would probably stretch from LA to New York...

the good news is that with the rest of the worlds economies taking a huge dump, the value of our money is soaring....one of the little ancillary benefits of worldwide recession....rack us for being ahead of the curve

[LTS TRN 2]

You're really not getting it...you don't have a choice anymore. No more quibbling ludicrous fake economic theory--Ayn Rand and the like--about how much "freedom" the kleptocratic elite require or deserve. It's over. Scoreboard. Sure, those Rovian ilk who remain unindicted will haul off their golden parachute loot, but the Game is up. As for Obama...Yo Mama, bitch! :P

[Derron]

Labor has the public works contracts so stuffed with pork it is unreal....we just lined up at the trough for one...fucking double the price of a private project of similar size...I will be make more working as an equipment operator than owner of the fucking company...

As it should be. At last in one aspect of our society real labor is valued more than capital.

Sin,

Karl Marx

[Derron]

Derron, was Obama going to a Christian church for 20 years some sort of sleeper cell plan to infiltrate the country? After he takes the oath of office is he going to scream "walalalalalala" and say "Allah u akbar?"

You are fascinatingly retarded.

I'm going to start calling you Gandalf.

What the fuck does this have to do with the questions I posed... you fucking bloody cunt licking liberal ?

[Derron]

Do you have some problem with paring down government to its essential functions? There would be plenty of money for roads and defense if we weren't wasting it on welfare for lazy, worthless scum in ghettos and on Wall Street or blowing it on stupid shit like (bad) education and other touchy feely horseshit.

Paring government down to its essential functions is unknown..since all government does is exist to support itself...

There are strictly there to provide jobs for themselves and their cronies...jobs with above average wages, jobs with full family health care...buying houses for welfare drug dealers to live in...creating endless work...blah..blah..blah

[lovebuzz]

Derron, was Obama going to a Christian church for 20 years some sort of sleeper cell plan to infiltrate the country? After he takes the oath of office is he going to scream "walalalalalala" and say "Allah u akbar?"

You are fascinatingly retarded.

I'm going to start calling you Gandalf.

1. bwah!

2. rack you, ya fine, smooth motherfucker.

ps:

What the fuck does this have to do with the questions I posed...

see the title of your own thread. it pretty much has everything to do with the above comments. duh.

[Invictus]

Loves me some buzzer. Know that.

Derron, was Obama going to a Christian church for 20 years some sort of sleeper cell plan to infiltrate the country? After he takes the oath of office is he going to scream "walalalalalala" and say "Allah u akbar?"

You are fascinatingly retarded.

I'm going to start calling you Gandalf.

What the fuck does this have to do with the questions I posed... you fucking bloody cunt licking liberal ?

I don't give a shit about the questions you posed Gandalf, I care that you are a retarded gibbon who really doesn't have a grasp on politics, sports, women, the world. He could have gone to church for 40 years but because he is black and he has a funny sounding name, well, kinda like Derron, he has to be a Muslim. You are typical of the mouthbreathers who shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unfortunately, there are too many of you in the country. Too many idiots of all races, genders, and ethnicities have the right to vote in this country. I think Obama and McCain would be better off if you weren't able to vote for either of them. I think the country would be better if you just stayed home and stared at the wall November 4th. Something for you to think about...

And, for the record, I don't give a shit about either party. Fuck the Dems, the Repubs, fuck them both. I didn't vote for either major party four years ago.

[Felix]

Do you have some problem with paring down government to its essential functions? There would be plenty of money for roads and defense if we weren't wasting it on welfare for lazy, worthless scum in ghettos and on Wall Street or blowing it on stupid shit like (bad) education and other touchy feely horseshit.

absolutely not....nothing would please me more than seeing the streets filled with homeless....watching people starve to death could become one of the great American pastimes....we could make it like horse racing where you bet on which one dies first and what they'll succumb to....never mind that there are lots of people that are actually deserving of help, we can't play any favorites, we'd need to rid ourselves of all welfare....I mean how would you determine who really needs it and who doesn't? you can't, that's why welfare has to be completely eliminated....of course I'm guessing that would probably increase the crime rate substantially, but what the fuck, we'd have loads of cash for building new penitentiary's or better yet, we could just start executing people for dumpster diving...

and definitely get rid of schools, even though probably 60% to 70% would actually like to better themselves, lets just close them all down and turn this place into a country of illiterates....that way we'd have way more money for developing our military so that if somebody didn't want to play ball, we could just bomb them into submission (scratch that idea, we've been trying that and it's not working out all that well)

and did I mention that we'd have oodles more cash for building bigger and badder weapons...what the fuck, we only spend 5 times as much as the next 10 countries combined on our military, but that's not enough...we need to be spending at least 10 times as much as every other country on the face of the planet combined....

fuck bro, I think you're on to something here

[poptart]

Where'd your gonads go, Felix?

The fed gov ought not dish out welfare.
The fed gov doesn't HAVE money to dish out.
You DO get that, right??

The PEOPLE have money, which they have EARNED.

If someone is struggling, that's when family gets involved.
Or ... private groups that give social assistance to the needy.

This is freedom, Felix.

Why do you want to be owned?
Why do you want everyone else to be owned?

The fed ought not be involved in public schools.
Schools are a local issue.


You're seriously warped, guy.

[Jerkovich]

Onagga will make me proud!

sin,

[Felix]

Why do you want to be owned?

why is it that you think providing help with food, clothing, and a decent place to live to those that need it represents them being "owned" or me being owned-apparently you and I have a very different view of helping those that really need help...

are there welfare mooches, sure there are...are they worse than the Wall Street fucks that stole your and my 700 billion...I don't think so...do you think any of those assholes will spend one day in prison for fucking over the American public...in your fucking dreams brah...

The fed ought not be involved in public schools.
Schools are a local issue.

I agree, but it was mvs that suggested we rid our selves of "bad education" so I was just trying to give him some sense of justice

[poptart]

why is it that you think providing help with food, clothing, and a decent place to live to those that need it represents them being "owned" or me being owned-apparently you and I have a very different view of helping those that really need help...

Sorry to offend, but socialism appeals to the mind of a child.

It doesn't work, Felix, and it is fundamentally at a 180 from freedom.

You want to take money from Joe -- money which he EARNED -- and give it to John -- because John is down on his luck.

Guess what?
It's not Joe's responsibility to take care of John.

So get your hand out of Joe's wallet, thief.

I'm ALL FOR private charity organizations.

I am AGAINST stealing from good citizens to pay for deadbeats and ridiculous bullshit that does not work.

[no-F-N-Joke]

How is cutting people a 5K check - so they can go and buy a 72" plasma TV - a better plan? The minute they need health care, they'll be putting their hands right back into the government cookie jar.

Very true! But I was trying to come up with a plan and thought, what it... we give every American a $5000 bond or CD that is tax free. If they don't use it, they can roll it over the following year and say in 10 years they have the option to withdraw it tax free. That could be a good chunk of change, or they can hold out on it? Either way it would be a win-win situation for all parties. Hell--- it might even give Americans an incentive to possibly get off their fat asses and do a little excercise.

[PSUFAN]

I think you're missing the point. Handing out 5K and expecting people to make good health care choices with it is ridiculous. Even if they did explore their health care choices, they will be choosing from paltry choices to say the least. Then, when those folks need care that their insurance commodities can't or won't cover, they will be back on the taxpayer tit. But hey, at least the folks in slovenia or burma that manufactured the plasma tv were working, eh?

Health care as commodity embodies the errant path we've been striding down in this country - embodies it in a big 72"picture way.

[Felix]

I am AGAINST stealing from good citizens to pay for deadbeats and ridiculous bullshit that does not work.

me too,

I'm assuming you'll be spearheading the charge to put all those Wall Street fucks in prison where they fucking belong...if you think 700 billion is the bottom line, you're seriously deluded...these assholes have taken the United States economy for well over 2 trillion dollars, in a relatively short period of time

you need to direct your anger where it belongs...

[PSUFAN]

Health care as commodity embodies the errant path we've been striding down in this country

Unfortunately for your pollyanna fantasy, health care is a commodity and will always be a commodity. It isn't a right or even a privilege. It's something you can afford or you can't afford.

If you can't afford it, go ahead and do without or die. Your health isn't my responsibility.

I am with the idea that one should pay for health care - or food or lodging, rather than expect those things to be furnished by the government.

However, what is offered as health care needs to be regulated. Right now, individuals and organizations pay for health care services, and providers pay law firms to insulate them from having to actually provide services...then what is left over is swept up by taxpayers as a last result.

The pile of sweepings gets bigger and bigger every day - and now includes things like banks and entire manufacturing sectors.

[Derron]

I am AGAINST stealing from good citizens to pay for deadbeats and ridiculous bullshit that does not work.

me too,

I'm assuming you'll be spearheading the charge to put all those Wall Street fucks in prison where they fucking belong...if you think 700 billion is the bottom line, you're seriously deluded...these assholes have taken the United States economy for well over 2 trillion dollars, in a relatively short period of time

you need to direct your anger where it belongs...

Interesting take, Felix. You contend that well over 2 trillion dollars has been taken from the US economy by Wall Street fucks in a relatively short period of time. That is a lot of cash. Do you mind telling me where you think they put it?

We know it isn't in the stock market.

No banks (worldwide) are flush with cash right now.

They can't have spent it, because manufacturing output is down and inventories are high worldwide.

Commodities are tanking.

There isn't that much cash in print, so it couldn't be crated up and stored in a giant supertanker offshore or something.

Show me the money, dog. Or STFU.

Interesting concept...follow the money....it has to be somewhere...but where would that be...Swiss bank accounts??....Cayman banks???..China investment banks ?? It's out there, just not going to be accessible for any legal or valid use..

I have been hoping this would work it self out...I think its time to suspend the market for a week...expect to see more business failures in the next 30 to 90 days as they walk through what cash they have before pulling the plug..that brings unemployment up...just not a good time.

Without some form of lending going on, the construction market is failing faster than I expected...there is zero resource extraction going on, no added value products being produced....check out the traffic volumes on your local roads...its way down this week...look at commercial truck traffic....wait for warehouse inventories to deplete down in the next 60 days...hard goods inventories going way up...

I talked with the business manager of one of the largest school districts in the state this morning ..muni bonds will be paying a premium if you try and sell them now..the financial houses want the cash in the house and since everyone has fled stocks, the cash is flowing that way..not out on general obligation, 20 year bonds...

Fuck it....I have had it for this week... I am going to drive 60 miles to the coast, play nine holes, and fish the Wilson River this afternoon and let the fucking world implode.

[titlover]

Do you have some problem with paring down government to its essential functions? There would be plenty of money for roads and defense if we weren't wasting it on welfare for lazy, worthless scum in ghettos and on Wall Street or blowing it on stupid shit like (bad) education and other touchy feely horseshit.

absolutely not....nothing would please me more than seeing the streets filled with homeless....watching people starve to death could become one of the great American pastimes....we could make it like horse racing where you bet on which one dies first and what they'll succumb to....never mind that there are lots of people that are actually deserving of help, we can't play any favorites, we'd need to rid ourselves of all welfare....I mean how would you determine who really needs it and who doesn't? you can't, that's why welfare has to be completely eliminated....of course I'm guessing that would probably increase the crime rate substantially, but what the fuck, we'd have loads of cash for building new penitentiary's or better yet, we could just start executing people for dumpster diving...

and definitely get rid of schools, even though probably 60% to 70% would actually like to better themselves, lets just close them all down and turn this place into a country of illiterates....that way we'd have way more money for developing our military so that if somebody didn't want to play ball, we could just bomb them into submission (scratch that idea, we've been trying that and it's not working out all that well)

and did I mention that we'd have oodles more cash for building bigger and badder weapons...what the fuck, we only spend 5 times as much as the next 10 countries combined on our military, but that's not enough...we need to be spending at least 10 times as much as every other country on the face of the planet combined....

fuck bro, I think you're on to something here

so in your world only gov't can educate people and give them jobs. wow, just wow.

[Derron]

Do you have some problem with paring down government to its essential functions? There would be plenty of money for roads and defense if we weren't wasting it on welfare for lazy, worthless scum in ghettos and on Wall Street or blowing it on stupid shit like (bad) education and other touchy feely horseshit.

absolutely not....nothing would please me more than seeing the streets filled with homeless....watching people starve to death could become one of the great American pastimes....we could make it like horse racing where you bet on which one dies first and what they'll succumb to....never mind that there are lots of people that are actually deserving of help, we can't play any favorites, we'd need to rid ourselves of all welfare....I mean how would you determine who really needs it and who doesn't? you can't, that's why welfare has to be completely eliminated....of course I'm guessing that would probably increase the crime rate substantially, but what the fuck, we'd have loads of cash for building new penitentiary's or better yet, we could just start executing people for dumpster diving...

and definitely get rid of schools, even though probably 60% to 70% would actually like to better themselves, lets just close them all down and turn this place into a country of illiterates....that way we'd have way more money for developing our military so that if somebody didn't want to play ball, we could just bomb them into submission (scratch that idea, we've been trying that and it's not working out all that well)

and did I mention that we'd have oodles more cash for building bigger and badder weapons...what the fuck, we only spend 5 times as much as the next 10 countries combined on our military, but that's not enough...we need to be spending at least 10 times as much as every other country on the face of the planet combined....

fuck bro, I think you're on to something here

so in your world only gov't can educate people and give them jobs. wow, just wow.

That pretty much seems to be Herr Felix's idea....

Ever hang out with any government workers ?? They only hang with their own kind, since they can only understand how each other thinks. And it is a lifestyle..in addition to a "job"

[Kierland]

You contend that well over 2 trillion dollars has been taken from the US economy by Wall Street fucks in a relatively short period of time. That is a lot of cash. Do you mind telling me where you think they put it?

We know it isn't in the stock market.

No banks (worldwide) are flush with cash right now.

They can't have spent it, because manufacturing output is down and inventories are high worldwide.

Commodities are tanking.

There isn't that much cash in print, so it couldn't be crated up and stored in a giant supertanker offshore or something.

Show me the money, dog. Or STFU.

PLEASE tell me you are not that dumb. Please.

[Kierland]

Ever hang out with any government workers ?? They only hang with their own kind, since they can only understand how each other thinks. And it is a lifestyle..in addition to a "job"

You mean like Cops and Jarheads? It's weird how they do that huh?

[Kierland]

Tard who believes OJ is innocent says what?

He was convicted. Doesn't sound too innocent to me. Flail away you racist fuckstain.

[Kierland]

Of murdering his wife and a waiter?

I doubt he is innocent of that. Not guilty for sure, but innocent? Who knows? Besides you and Bobby that is.

Are you a n...igger, queerland?

No. Are you a self-loathing racist malotto prick?

[Tom In VA]

Ever hang out with any government workers ?? They only hang with their own kind, since they can only understand how each other thinks. And it is a lifestyle..in addition to a "job"

Wrong. The "lifestyle" is go to work and do the job you're asked to do as it is in any other form of employment.

Is there "waste" ? Yes, but that "waste" starts with executive branch or congress, travels back to or down to the executive branch.

For instance. Congress says "We need an agency to pick the corn out of shit". They form a commission, pass a bill, create the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers".

Now the Executive Branch is resposible for executing this bill. They fill the predefined infrastructure with a Director and an executive hierarchy, they in turn determine the resources necessary to manage and run the "Federal Bureau of ShitPickers". Jobs are classified and ranked, according to the Law and in conjunction with OPM. Those jobs get filled by people interested in working for a living and picking corn out of shit.

Most folks on the payroll are decent folks who cannot stand the bureaucracy and bullshit. They just want to pick the corn out of the shit and put in an honest day's work. Yes. There are creeps and slackers. The major problem with them is that it is tough to categorically fire them. EEO Compaints, Lawsuits, and a ton of other shit get in the way. Sometimes because these slackers can't be gotten rid of ..... many employees try to pick up the slack because afterall ...

There's a lot of corn to be picked out of shit. And there's plenty of shit.

Then they get bitter and tired of doing the job of two/three people so they start slacking a little bit - i.e. only doing their job.

Or they leave. I left. But I left behind some good decent folks that work their ass off and actually hold the TAXPAYER as being the most important and endline consumer of the service their agency was designed to provide.

[Mikey]

Which do you miss the most - the corn or the shit?

[Kierland]

I must be.

I concur.

[Felix]

Interesting take, Felix. You contend that well over 2 trillion dollars has been taken from the US economy by Wall Street fucks in a relatively short period of time. That is a lot of cash. Do you mind telling me where you think they put it?

The Wall Street fucks aren't totally responsible for pocketing all of the lucre...there are mortgage loan officers, bankers, real estate salesmen, appraisers, etc. that reaped the rewards of the housing bubble as well...but companies like Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, AIG that should have regulated themselves (you know, that whole free market thing) are the ones that have caused this shit....their company CEO's, Vice Presidents, Chief Financial Officers (guys like Richard Fuld, who owns an 18 million dollar waterfront house in Florida, a 12 million dollar vacation house in Colorado, huge fucking boats, cars, etc) were living pretty large just so long as housing prices continued to escalate.

Any fucking moron that can read a spread sheet and has the slightest inkling of how the real estate market works knows that price appreciation rates of 20% to 40%/annum cannot be sustained, therefore they were well aware that what they were creating was a house of fucking cards.....so did they rein themselves in like most prudent business people would...FUCK NO, they continued on what they knew was a reckless path that would eventually lead to where we are now.....where did the money go? I have no idea, but the fact is that 700 billion is just the tip of the iceberg and our "leaders" instead of doing the right thing and infusing the money into banks to free up credit are instead going to buy these toxic mortgage packages from these douchecanoes....

deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves and there aren't greedy fucknuts like Richard Fuld running the show...

do I sound pissed?

I am and you should be too

[Terry in Crapchester]

deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves

And if you believe that they're ever willing to do that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Real cheap.

[Felix]

our "leaders" instead of doing the right thing and infusing the money into banks to free up credit

Oh, they're doing that too.

they are? Where'd you read that? Where are they getting the money to re-fund banks that are currently teetering?

deregulation works only when companies are willing to regulate themselves

And if you believe that they're ever willing to do that, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Real cheap.

of course they aren't, hence the reason you and I are paying for their fuckups

I'm telling you people should be going to jail for this CRIMINAL fucking behavior

[Cuda]

I must be.

I concur.

You provided an excellent explanation of your position, as always. Your clients must gush every time you rise to present your two word summation.

"Errrr... OUT!"