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Shit...that's two of my favorite bands lose their lead singer recently...The Darkness and now Audioslave.

I was surprised the musicians left Rage to become wussed out backing players to Cornell's easy listening endeavors.

Mmm...Chris Cornell....how I love those eyes...and miss that hair....

after louder than love i stopped paying attention to CC and his jesus christ pose. Black Days is a pretty good song...but

he made the Screaming Trees suck, too. FWIW.

whatever you want to say about RATM, they were something soundgarden could only dream of being. as far as being "meaningful", loud, and kicking ass.

edit: i've never owned a RATM record, and have bought SG's Ultramega OK (on SST, bitches), L than L, and maybe Badmotorfinger (don't recall) and even an EP FOP (on Subpop)...and i liked those records inna day.....but Morello's stuff in RATM makes those guys look like pansies in retrospect.

Guess he broke his rusty cage and ran

Probably tired of being outshined by his musicians.

Guess that means he can seek advice from the spoonman

MuchoBulls wrote:Guess he broke his rusty cage and ran

MuchoBulls wrote:Guess that means he can seek advice from the spoonman

You're KILLING me!

Wouldn't a Limo Wreck do that?

patsy stone wrote:how I miss that hair

Yeah, I miss my hair, too.

I used to have really cool rocker hair, which coincided with the Golden Age of Rocker Hair. Now, it's much like Wolfman sitting on his lanai...biding its time, waiting for its inevitable demise. Maybe the hair is just having a lover's quarrel with my scalp. Why just the other day, I thought I heard a little voice coming from my hair -- "I don't like what you've got me hanging from."


Chrissy is looking a little pale in those pics. Maybe he needs to get out in the sunshine? The sun is his, you know.

King Crimson wrote:whatever you want to say about RATM, they were something soundgarden could only dream of being. as far as being "meaningful", loud, and kicking ass.

you're kidding, right? rage didn't have half the talent of soundgarden. matt cameron himself had more skills than every member of rage combined. i like both bands, but to say rage was something SG could only dream of being is absoltuely ludicrous. rage was a two-part band: zach and tom. throw in angry, volotile political lyrics and boom: you got a powerhouse. not that difficult. wilk and commoford were entirely replaceable, and in wilk's case, a detriment to the band. there are eighth grade drummers with more talent than wilk.

RATM was nothing but a pack of thrashing noise accompanied with typical pseudosophisticated, self-righteous angst. It was very trendy with the angry left-wing college contingent and sensitive pony-tail guys, but quite frankly.....it sucked.

To be honest, RAtM only had, like, once song I liked. The rest of it was boring to me because I really didn't care about what they were singing.

matt cameron was so good he was the first member of SG to quit the band. if you go back and read my original post, I dig Soundgarden.....and prolly before most of you asswipes ever heard of them.

King Crimson wrote:I dig Soundgarden.....and prolly before most of you asswipes ever heard of them.

I guess I'll count myself as a "non-asswipe."

Wouldn't bet on trumping me on U&L club bands from the late-80's.

Screw_Michigan wrote:matt cameron himself had more skills than every member of rage combined.

RACK!! I have always thought that Matt Cameron was a very underrated drummer.

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:RATM was nothing but a pack of thrashing noise accompanied with typical pseudosophisticated, self-righteous angst. It was very trendy with the angry left-wing college contingent and sensitive pony-tail guys, but quite frankly.....it sucked.

Remember when the DKs embedded a RATM song on their webpage? That's when I knew RATM had jumped the shark.

BSmack wrote:

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:RATM was nothing but a pack of thrashing noise accompanied with typical pseudosophisticated, self-righteous angst. It was very trendy with the angry left-wing college contingent and sensitive pony-tail guys, but quite frankly.....it sucked.

Remember when the DKs embedded a RATM song on their webpage? That's when I knew RATM had jumped the shark.

Yeah, it was funny (in an ironic way) that the Geneseo fraternity infamous for its racism, gang-raping, property destruction, and all-out thuggery decided to use theme music from THAT band. Apparently, Delta Kappa Tau "brothers" never bothered to actually pay attention to lyrics. Then again, that would have required the "goons in maroon" to collectively have more than a handful of neurons and higher-order thinking skills.

I recognized RATM could kick ass, but quickly grew weary of Morello's waa-waa peddle and the politics. Like some early Soundgarden stuff and was quite surprised that I liked a lot of the songs off the later records despite them seeming more like a pop rock band. I think at one time Soundgarden, despite me living in St. Louis, was the band I had seen the most of all bands. Maybe they just toured a lot.

Audioslave was a twat fest. I was surprised at just how unimpressed I was by anything they put out.

BSmack wrote:Remember when the DKs embedded a RATM song on their webpage?

Umm... the Dead Kennedys?

Bizzarofelice wrote:

BSmack wrote:Remember when the DKs embedded a RATM song on their webpage?

Umm... the Dead Kennedys?

Nah, some maroon wearing fraternal jackasses in Geneseo, NY. To put it as succinctly as possible, they embodied every stereotype currently associated with the Duke Lacrosse team.

Audioslave blew three toed sloth cack.

BSmack wrote: they embodied every stereotype currently associated with the Duke Lacrosse team.

Falsely accused and maligned victims of a wishy washy prosecutor ?


RACK BizzaroFelice's take.

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote: they embodied every stereotype currently associated with the Duke Lacrosse team.

Falsely accused and maligned victims of a wishy washy prosecutor?

Tom, they didn't shut that team down just because of the rape allegation. That team had a long history of thug like behavior which the idiocy of the Durham DA is going to obliterate from the public consciousness.

Tom In VA wrote:Falsely accused and maligned victims of a wishy washy prosecutor ?

Bri's analogy sort of didn't work out....several of the "gentlemen" of Delta Kappa Tau in the 1980's were, in fact, actual rapists. I happened to know three women who were recipients of the DKT "hospitality." The women were little sisters of my fraternity (we treated them like sisters and aside from national Ritual ceremonies, they were treated as full Chapter members) and were unfortunately less wary than they should have been regarding a different organization. They each made the mistake of thinking that ALL men were trustworthy and each made the mistake of hanging out in the DKT house past 2 am. Each was gang-raped. Two of the three went to the local cops and were basically told that the fact that they were drunk and doing drugs in a fraternity house at that hour seriously undermined their credibility and that...well...they basically brought it on themselves. The third woman was so ashamed and traumatized that she never wanted to report the crime. The law enforcement attitude at the time sucked.

Each of the three wound up with seriously distorted attitudes about men and relationships (understandably). Two of them became "temporary lesbians," while the third bounced from one abusive relationship to another. All wound up with serious chemical dependency issues. My wife and I happened to see all of them at our fraternity's 25-year anniversary, and I was happy to see and hear that they've each gotten the help they needed, are all now married with kids.

Oh, and the DK's also had a penchant for beating the shit out of other greeks who "dared" to wear "their" colors of maroon (or anything like it...like our fraternity's official color of garnet) and white. They even beat up a freaking Sigma Kappa (sorority) back in the early 90's for just that "offense."

The group lost college recognition and almost died out a frew years back, but their alumni came back to restart them. They're not the badasses of the 80's, thank God, but their legacy still provokes strong negative feelings in alumni (including myself). It may not be fair to judge the current kids by what their predecessors did, but those letters have been branded in a lot of psyches...

BSmack wrote:That team had a long history of thug like behavior

This isn't the forum for that explanation. I was offering a "tongue in cheek" comment along with my rack for Bace's take on music. Not intending on a long drawn out discussion on the pros and cons of "wolfpack", "jock" or what have you behavior. That's an entirely different thread for another forum.

MtLR, appreciate the anecdote and explanation.

Tom In VA wrote:

BSmack wrote:

Tom In VA wrote:

This isn't the forum for that explanation. I was offering a "tongue in cheek" comment along with my rack for Bace's take on music. Not intending on a long drawn out discussion on the pros and cons of "wolfpack", "jock" or what have you behavior. That's an entirely different thread for another forum.

Aw come on Tom. Fish too big for your hook?

I'm all about sportsmanship. Catch and release.

Tom In VA wrote:MtLR, appreciate the anecdote and explanation.

No problem. Sorry to have gone off on a tangent like that....

And to bring things back on track: RATM sucked.

Rage was fairly awesome, if you didn't view them on the sole merits of political statements. The blistering guitar licks were enough for them to be a serious band, at least in their early days.

To me, it seems like Audioslave reigned Morello in, and tied his creative hand...which was pretty much the redeeming quality of RATM.

Whatever Morello's next project is, which might be more Nightwatchman stuff, he needs to be in charge, and have no/little influence from others. I think that would be for the best. Rage ran its course, and Audioslave was watered-down. Time for Tommy to step and and do things his way.

MuchoBulls wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote:matt cameron himself had more skills than every member of rage combined.

RACK!! I have always thought that Matt Cameron was a very underrated drummer.

get ahold of a copy of the pearl jam 2000 or 2003 tour dvds. the matt cams are fucking epic.